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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP III
    I am not attracted to her or her music. I could see it being similar to the feeling evoked from when I have to deal with an ENFp, yes.
    I think she is overrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    she's getting exclamation marks out of me!!!!
    !!

    is ellen pompeo an ESFp? I think I know what you're talking about re appearance.

    Matthew, I wasn't sure. I made that thread a long time ago I think. People here VI'ed him ISTx.

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    Here's a thought to try on for size: what if Björk is really an ISTp?

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    She's not ESFp FOR SURE! I think she's ENTp.

    - She said that she would never wear ordinary jeans and t-shirt 'cause that would be an approbation for American imperialism.
    - She hates stabilization, she declares she loves to try new thinks with new people.
    - She can be harsh. She had announced that the only religion she accepts is buddhism but when she found out that they believe in reincarnation she said '...so fuck Bhuddhists'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hashish
    She's not ESFp FOR SURE! I think she's ENTp.

    - She said that she would never wear ordinary jeans and t-shirt 'cause that would be an approbation for American imperialism.
    - She hates stabilization, she declares she loves to try new thinks with new people.
    - She can be harsh. She had announced that the only religion she accepts is buddhism but when she found out that they believe in reincarnation she said '...so fuck Bhuddhists'.
    lol, you think ESFjs can't be harsh like that? i'm pretty sure she's not ESFp as well though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr
    '...so fuck Bhuddhists'

    still sounds Fe...
    yeah, doesn't that sound Fe? i agree w/ you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    lol, you think ESFjs can't be harsh like that? i'm pretty sure she's not ESFp as well though.
    Björk is so lovable I'm almost ready to dispense with every other ESFj I've known as being ESFj and put them in another category, any category, just for her sake ... 'cause if she is truly ESFj, then most all the rest have simply gone wrong.



    (I most likely just haven't known enough ESFjs. No offense to any ESFjs out there, k? )

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    ISFp just seems so much more likely ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by astralsilky
    Quote Originally Posted by implied
    lol, you think ESFjs can't be harsh like that? i'm pretty sure she's not ESFp as well though.
    Björk is so lovable I'm almost ready to dispense with every other ESFj I've known as being ESFj and put them in another category, any category, just for her sake ... 'cause if she is truly ESFj, then most all the rest have simply gone wrong.



    (I most likely just haven't known enough ESFjs. No offense to any ESFjs out there, k? )

    no, it's really odd to me, too. i feel almost exactly the same way about her. she'd be like some sort of exemplary ESFj goddess or something.
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    is bjork a caretaker or an infantile?

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    I don't think she's a caretaker. I have a hard time seeing her as someone who is driven to take care of the physical needs of someone else.

    My brother is an ESFj and he's also very much into personality type, although he doesn't really participate in forums (I rarely see ESFjs in these kinds of forums, even if they're interested in the subject). He read over this thread with me. Neither of us thinks Bjork is an ESFj. Bill Cosby, Tom Cruise, Salma Hayek....Bjork? No way does she fit into that grouping, and I think they're all definitely ESFjs.

    My brother said she's too cool to be an ESFj. I would say she's too self-contained. ESFjs are uncool, that's one of the secrets about them. They want to be "in", but not necessarily "it". They can go a little too far in their emotional expression, too passionate, too goofy. In their emotional expression....but not their physical appearance. They tend to dress in stylish, flattering, conventional styles. They don't wear ballet dresses to the prom and they don't wear swan dresses to the Oscars. Their good looks, conventionality and style are a facade, that mask that passionate craziness within. Bjork is the opposite I think. On the inside she's settled, calm and directed, cool as my brother would say. But on the outside she keeps you on your toes.

    Another thing, rmcnew honed in on the quote about taking the children into nature. My brother put it better than I could. That's not actual , that's idolized. Sounds like someone who values it, but lives it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danielle
    I don't think she's a caretaker. I have a hard time seeing her as someone who is driven to take care of the physical needs of someone else.
    COME TO ME
    I'LL TAKE CARE OF YOU

    PROTECT YOU
    COME, CALM DOWN
    YOU'RE EXHAUSTED
    COME LIE DOWN
    YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN
    I UNDERSTAND


    WOO-ooo-OO-ooo-oo-ooo
    WOO-ooo-OO-ooo-oo-ooo

    you know
    that i adore you
    you know
    that i love you
    so don't make me say it
    it would burst the bubble
    break the charm


    JUMP OFF
    YOUR BUILDING'S ON FIRE
    AND I'LL CATCH YOU
    I'LL CATCH YOU
    DESTROY ALL
    THAT IS KEEPING YOU DOWN
    AND THEN I'LL NURSE YOU
    I'LL NURSE YOU


    WOO-ooo-OO-ooo-oo-ooo ...


    -- björk lyrics circa 1993

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    I don't think lyrics are a great way to determine someone's type. They're often a fantasy, the kind of person someone thinks they are but really aren't. Actually, more the kind of person they want or have been forced to be. I think the Erotic Attitudes can definitely be mixed up if you go by lyrics and self-statements.

    I'm an Infantile-type, but I've written hundreds of songs and I'm a caretaker in just about all of them. For two reasons: One, that's my idea of loving, being taken care of. So I write myself as that person. Two, since I've frequently had relationships with non-Caretakers (mainly infantiles and victims), I've had to take that role since I couldn't be my natural Infantile self.

    I also think Victim-types often portray themselves as Aggressors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danielle
    I don't think lyrics are a great way to determine someone's type. They're often a fantasy, the kind of person someone thinks they are but really aren't. Actually, more the kind of person they want or have been forced to be. I think the Erotic Attitudes can definitely be mixed up if you go by lyrics and self-statements.

    I'm an Infantile-type, but I've written hundreds of songs and I'm a caretaker in just about all of them. For two reasons: One, that's my idea of loving, being taken care of. So I write myself as that person. Two, since I've frequently had relationships with non-Caretakers (mainly infantiles and victims), I've had to take that role since I couldn't be my natural Infantile self.

    I also think Victim-types often portray themselves as Aggressors.
    I tend to think that fantasies reflect our deepest selves ~ either who we are deep inside, or projections of what we want, as you already said. I still think her lyrics could be SOME evidence ... and ~ (not that it's worth much) ~ I *can* picture Björk in a caretaking role. Also, her lyrics in other songs ... such as Charlene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danielle
    I don't think lyrics are a great way to determine someone's type.
    Not to mention that a lot of people don't even write their own music.

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    Come to Me-- I don't necessarily find those lyrics to be representative of a caretaker. She's saying, essentially, come lie in my arms and i'll comfort you *emotionally*. *tries to think of a type that wouldn't say, lie down if a person is exhausted* ? Of course, Si people can also say these lyrics.. but it's not what i think of when i think of si lyrics.

    (What do i think of? mostly what seem to be random spew of aesthetic observation devoid of metaphor-- "blue and pink and green all over it" where we're inclined to say, "over what?" as opposed to "pedalling through the dark currents, i find an accurate copy, a blueprint of the pleasure in me" --physical examples, usually nature based, metaphorically describing an emotional state. Dude, its a blueprint of the pleasure in her. No guesswork, the metaphor is spelled out. Maybe I am talking about this so much because I have always cursed that I can't make the metaphors sound less obvious myself-- i cant write Si lyrics

    But ... i think MOST of her songs don't even get ambiguous that much; instead it's just full on metaphors of physical states to describe how she's feeling. Plus a worship of Si. To me, that's Ne. An INFp or ENFj might use metaphors, but they're much more fluid and obscure, and who knows, maybe they seem so because I am not Ni.

    INFp: "in an interstellar burst I am back to save the universe" -- not readily translatable
    Ne person "he's away...im taking an aeroplane to follow my heart"-- physical situation used to describe feelings for someone

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    Björk reminds me of people I have typed as INFJ, but who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cracka
    Quote Originally Posted by Danielle
    I don't think lyrics are a great way to determine someone's type.
    Not to mention that a lot of people don't even write their own music.
    Björk does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ms. Kensington
    ... si lyrics. (What do i think of? mostly what seem to be random spew of aesthetic observation devoid of metaphor-- "blue and pink and green all over it" where we're inclined to say, "over what?"
    That's how I write poetry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous
    She always struck me as being ISFP
    i was thinking the same thing through out reading these posts.

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    Bjork is INFp and Beta to the max.

    And I don't think that saying "I'll take care of you" would make one a Caretaker. I think it's got more to do with being an F.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birds
    Bjork is INFp and Beta to the max.

    And I don't think that saying "I'll take care of you" would make one a Caretaker. I think it's got more to do with being an F.
    Yeah... this is true.

    Anyone who denies this FACT is obviously just in denial.



    No, I'm being serious - she really is Beta. Nearly all her fans are IEIs ... come on!


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    And I don't even like Bjork. Not that much, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettLux
    Quote Originally Posted by Birds
    Bjork is INFp and Beta to the max.

    ...
    Yeah... this is true.

    Anyone who denies this FACT is obviously just in denial.



    No, I'm being serious - she really is Beta. Nearly all her fans are IEIs ... come on!
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    My Juvenile

    Down the corridor
    I send warmth
    I send warmth

    Down the staircase
    I send warmth
    I send warmth

    Thank you for, again
    To get to be able
    To send warmth
    To send warmth

    Perhaps I set you too free
    Too fast

    But the intentions were pure
    But the intentions were pure

    [x3] My juvenile
    I truly say
    You are my biggest love

    I clumsily try to free you from me
    One last embrace
    To tie a sacred ribbon

    [x3] This is an offer to better the last let-go

    The intentions were pure

    My juvenile

    [these lyrics are found on http://www.songlyrics.com]

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    Cocoon

    who would have known : that a boy like him. would have entered me lightly. restoring my blisses. who would have known : that a boy like him. after sharing my core would stay going nowhere.

    who would have known : a beauty this immense. who would have known : a saintly trance. who would have known : miraculous breath. to inhale a beard loaded with courage.

    who would have known : that a boy like him. possessed of magical sensitivity. would approach a girl like me. who carresses. cradles. his head in a bosom.

    he slides inside. half awake / half asleep. we faint back. into sleephood. when i wake up. the second time in his arms : gorgeousness!. he's still inside me!

    ? who would have known ?

    a train of pearls, cabin by cabin. is shot precisely across an ocean.
    from a mouth.
    from.
    a.
    from a mouth
    of a girl like me.
    to a boy.
    to a boy.
    to a boy.


    ~ björk
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    Clearly an aggressor. No wait ~ victim!!


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    I've always gotten a really strong vibe from her.

    It really comes through in that video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tereg View Post
    I've always gotten a really strong vibe from her.

    It really comes through in that video.
    sorry, i dont see that at all. can you explain it?

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    Specifically in the video what I see:

    Sort of exploring a curiosity of how the TV can put her into different moods or states or "weird situations". And the way she explores the circuitry. It's very metaphorical. The circuitry resembling a model of a city and sort of... bringing it to life so to speak. "This is maybe an elevator", etc. Kind of like how a person might view a computer case and sort of ponder about, maybe, little tiny men hard at work inside the computer and making what you see on the monitor possible.

    The detail with which she sort of illustrates the millions of pixels on a TV collectively working together, putting it all together. It seems like she changes the scope from seeing one thing to seeing a million different things working together and then as a result sort of specifying the fear/headaches of processing the "enormity" and hypnotizing nature of seeing the TV at this "millions of pieces" level. Like almost sensory overload, (which is probably causing the hypnotic nature of it) but the actual physical size isn't changing at all. It's the mental perception of the size.

    I dunno if that makes sense, but that video felt rich in themes to me.
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    I hope I'm not way off base with that statement.
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    yeah not sure but that made me

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    I wanna suck myself on to bjork like a blood leech and never let go

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    This is a fascinating interview between two icons within modern music. Björk interviews Arvo Pärt, who one of the most famous modern composers.

    It is fascinating to see how two such different indiviudals get each other so well. I wonder if Björk is SEE and Pärt ILI. Or maybe Pärt is SEI and Björk ESE.

    Btw Björk tends to exaggerate her Icelandic accent loads when she is on tv compared to how she talks in more private circles
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    That was an incredibly delightful interview!

    I like Arvo Pärt's music (introduced to his music via the radio program Hearts of Space).

    And, I definitely see the in him as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittmont View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pDjT1UNT3s

    This is a fascinating interview between two icons within modern music. Björk interviews Arvo Pärt, who one of the most famous modern composers.

    It is fascinating to see how two such different indiviudals get each other so well. I wonder if Björk is SEE and Pärt ILI. Or maybe Pärt is SEI and Björk ESE.

    Btw Björk tends to exaggerate her Icelandic accent loads when she is on tv compared to how she talks in more private circles
    what in that video makes you think they get eachother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkstar View Post
    what in that video makes you think they get eachother?
    3:23-5:00

    It's clear to me that they connect in a very tangible way with this question and answer.
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    Darkstar: If you watch other interviews with Pärt he often struggles to explain his concepts, but Björk puts him at ease and 'focuses' his line of thought if you will.
    And that's a bit funny because Björk herself can seem a bit 'out there' heh (even if she isn't at all).

    Mimosa: A friend who has met Björk privately, was really annoyed with her 'accent' on tv.
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    IEI, SEI? She seems some Fe subtype to me..



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    She has really interesting eye patterns...

    Would anyone say that means anything, in a Socionics sense?

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