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    Here's the explanation of difference between Fi and Fe

    Fi is empathy

    Fe is sympathy


    http://blazenfluff.com/the-power-of-...-and-sympathy/
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    Here's the explanation of difference between Fi and Fe

    Fi is empathy

    Fe is sympathy


    http://blazenfluff.com/the-power-of-...-and-sympathy/
    Indeed/agreed

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    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    I think this woman's depictions of empathy and especially sympathy are wrong.

    Empathy is being able to relate to someone and feel what they feel in a certain situation but not necessarily doing anything about it.
    Sympathy is acknowledging but not necessarily feeling the other person's emotions and trying to console them.
    At least that's the way I've seen them defined everywhere else.

    I believe the bear was being both empathetic and sympathetic while the goat was just being insensitive.


    Also, wouldn't the bear's actions in the video be Fe because it's dealing with emotions and not relationships like Fi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ypiret View Post
    Also, wouldn't the bear's actions in the video be Fe because it's dealing with emotions and not relationships like Fi?
    With Fi how you feel about something is the relationship to that thing/person/circumstance/event. "I like this" and "I don't like that" and "That always seemed weird to me" and "I like this because it reminds me of that" and so on.

    The bear was using Fi when he said "I've been there, and this is how I feel about that circumstance." The rest of what he did seemed more like Fe though. But after all, functions don't work in a vacuum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    With Fi how you feel about something is the relationship to that thing/person/circumstance/event. "I like this" and "I don't like that" and "That always seemed weird to me" and "I like this because it reminds me of that" and so on.

    The bear was using Fi when he said "I've been there, and this is how I feel about that circumstance." The rest of what he did seemed more like Fe though. But after all, functions don't work in a vacuum.
    Ah okay. I didn't really think about applying in it that way.

    Thank you for the clarification!

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    The video did try to bring as an example just as what Jung explains about Fi that "Such a person aims to be inconspicuous, makes little attempt to impress and generally fails to respond to the feelings of others."

    Because Fi doesn't respond to the feelings of others and says "well at least you have a house" instead of Fe which will say "aww, I'm sorry you lost your house" Fi undervalues the object's emotional state. Not that Fi doesn't care about the person's emotional state, it's just that their response is different.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    The video did try to bring as an example just as what Jung explains about Fi that "Such a person aims to be inconspicuous, makes little attempt to impress and generally fails to respond to the feelings of others."

    Because Fi doesn't respond to the feelings of others and says "well at least you have a house" instead of Fe which will say "aww, I'm sorry you lost your house" Fi undervalues the object's emotional state. Not that Fi doesn't care about the person's emotional state, it's just that their response is different.
    I can basically assess what they do more than what they feel. Indeed. Say, if you lost your job, a Fe starts "commiserating" cause they think that´s what makes you fell better ATM. A Fi can sound harsh and point out what you may have done wrong there, cause they think correcting some self-defeating tendencies help you more than momentary words of sympathy. As a close relative, for instance, neither would be actually glad or indifferent about the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AshSun View Post
    I can basically asses what they do more than what they feel. Indeed. Say, if you lost your job, a Fe starts "commiserating" cause they think that´s what makes you fell better ATM. A Fi can sound harsh and point out what you may have done wrong there, cause they think correcting some self-defeating tendencies help you more than momentary words of sympathy. As a close relative, for instance, neither would be actually glad or indifferent about the situation.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshSun View Post
    A Fi can sound harsh and point out what you may have done wrong there, cause they think correcting some self-defeating tendencies help you more than momentary words of sympathy.
    I'm not sure about it. That's not really going to help creating an harmonious relationship - actually, it sounds something like a Te type would do, and something a Fi type would try to "correct" in a Te type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I'm not sure about it. That's not really going to help creating an harmonious relationship - actually, it sounds something like a Te type would do, and something a Fi type would try to "correct" in a Te type.
    my point is that Fe user would respond to kind of momentary human / emotional needs. While Fi would hold the person up as an ideal (sometimes according to their own views of what is right and wrong) and may disregard what the person actually feels. I grew up with FiSe. Maybe Te base would come from a different place, not presenting things as character flaws, but "professional mistakes" - you're not much worth, you're incompetent, you should have stayed there all day till doing it right etc,.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AshSun View Post
    my point is that Fe user would respond to kind of momentary human / emotional needs. While Fi would hold the person up as an ideal (sometimes according to their own views of what is right and wrong) and may disregard what the person actually feels. I grew up with FiSe. Maybe Te base would come from a different place, not presenting things as character flaws, but "professional mistakes" - you're not much worth, you're incompetent, you should have stayed there all day till doing it right etc,.
    I think this might be how it feels when you're in your shoes (which in itself is legitimate, of course). Speaking as an Fi-creative, I do perceive the emotional (Fe) state of another person, but I'm definitively not inclined to act upon it. If however, someone signals the need for Fi, it becomes very difficult for me not to act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    Here's the explanation of difference between Fi and Fe

    Fi is empathy

    Fe is sympathy


    http://blazenfluff.com/the-power-of-...-and-sympathy/
    So stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    Here's the explanation of difference between Fi and Fe

    Fi is empathy

    Fe is sympathy


    http://blazenfluff.com/the-power-of-...-and-sympathy/
    I don't think that's fair to Fe. Also, people with Fi in their ego block can behave in ways that invalidate the feelings of others as well. When Fe is being used by someone who's caring and respectful of your feelings, they can validate your feelings, perhaps saying something like (excuse the bad impersonation), "Aw, that guy is a jerky jerk face. Let's eat Ben & Jerry's from the carton and watch some old movies." They can also cheer you up, too, if you're ready to be cheered up.

    Also, I think Delta Fi is more about seeing the situation from your perspective and gently offering other other perspectives from which to see it while Gamma Fi is less about the perspectives and more about forcing a change.

    It seems like Fe and Te are the two most hated on information elements. Why. Whyyyyyyyyyyy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    I don't think that's fair to Fe. Also, people with Fi in their ego block can behave in ways that invalidate the feelings of others as well. When Fe is being used by someone who's caring and respectful of your feelings, they can validate your feelings, perhaps saying something like (excuse the bad impersonation), "Aw, that guy is a jerky jerk face. Let's eat Ben & Jerry's from the carton and watch some old movies." They can also cheer you up, too, if you're ready to be cheered up.

    Also, I think Delta Fi is more about seeing the situation from your perspective and gently offering other other perspectives from which to see it while Gamma Fi is less about the perspectives and more about forcing a change.

    It seems like Fe and Te are the two most hated on information elements. Why. Whyyyyyyyyyyy.
    Fe is cute ...in its own way lol. But to my mind Fe sometimes validates feelings that shouldn't be validated just cause it comes easy to kiss ass instead of offering some actual solutions or suggestions for improvement. It tries to objectify people through their emotions or "collective background". If your bf left you after 4 years of making you believe he was into you, Fe is the one that starts saying "what a jerk, dear, all men are jerks, you're the sweetest thing on earth". Instead of perhaps shedding light on something in your own thinking that may have allowed you to believe in him or a future together. If Fe were only used for cheering people up energetically ...that would be different.

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    So little Fi on t16t

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    Fe: Sympathy is "I know how you feel"; Fi: empathy is "I feel how you feel".

    It's from having seen that feeling before OR from having felt that feeling before as a character within the individual in him/herself.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    ^^^^ I usually see Fe and Fi as judgement / decision-making instruments. I don´t think users actually feel more.... or dunno. The judgements of Fe and Fi egos will rather take into consideration subjective factors, which may include how they feel about a situation or person, the kind of person they see you as and so on.Joy´s explanation was spot on: with Fi how you feel about something is the relationship to that person/event. With Fe social (group) position or forms of "affiliation" also have a say.

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