How to get an LSI/ISTj to pay attention to his appearance

[Narc]

I'll fuck your boyfriend.

[blackburry]

I'll absolutely fuck Fagin.

[silke]

gammas leave no hobo unsexed

[golden]

I didn't read the whole thread. I think LSIs can get into ruts re their appearance, both men and women, and that they are better off sticking with conservative looks because they don't know how to balance out loud or odd items, or even incorporate trends well. But none of the LSIs I know seem smelly; they are pretty careful about their appearance.

I did get LSI out of a fashion rut by showing him books and TV shows about fashion that made the point that the impact you make on someone upon meeting them is lasting and can affect your career.

Not bathing can be due to something like sensory issues (sound/feel of water) or depression, or being from a family or whatever that doesn't emphasize cleanliness. I don't think it is an LSI thing.

[Suz]

My impression of LSIs are that they are usually impeccable dressers...very into power-looks.

[Beautiful sky]

My impression of LSIs are that they are usually impeccable dressers...very into power-looks.

They are. Some though may have a problem. My brother in law has too many sweat glands in his feet so he can't help it that his feet naturally sweat a lot and secrete a lot of bacteria and smell funky. You love people not what their body is doing but whenever you can, you try to help them achieve their goals and ideals. In trying to help my brother in law when he was concerned about the issue, I had a french company ship this special lotion that shrank sweat glands like an antiperspirant lotion. He loved it and used it all the time, but now that company doesn't make that any more. I wasn't try to change him when I did this. This was his own concern and using my Ne, I merely found a way to help his cause out. That's support.

[Slacker]

LSIs are generally pretty fastidious about this kind of thing, so it's weird that you know an LSI who is so grubby. I NEVER type on anything as superficial as this so I won't say he isn't LSI, just that this is atypical of that type.

In general I would say if someone has bad hygiene, it's best to just gently but directly say something. "Hey, why don't you quick hit the shower before we do X." If you use the right tone of voice it's cool.

Of course if this is an LSI maybe you should do it in the exact opposite way of how I would do it. Hmmmm.

[Beautiful sky]

LSI are pretty direct when they tell you that somethings up with you. My boss will say "is that your grandma's sweater" to us when he finds that someone wears something unfashionable or unsightly. I think I prefer sensitivity when telling someone that something's out of place about them. I try to get them something as a sign or a hint (my duals do this too). After all, delta are concerned about relationships and keeping the near and dear around...especially the NFs of Delta .

That comment makes me feel bad that I wore something warm even though it's not fashionable. The ST of Delta will say instead "what is that she's wearing?" or "look at what she's wearing" instead of "is that your grandma's sweater?"

[Phantom Shadow]

Hmm... have you tried negotiating deal with him. Be like if you maintain your appearance the way I like I'll give you a lap dance, or strip tease or give him a massage, or cook him his favorite dinner, take care of chores he doesn't like to do, or something like that. Preferably something you'll both enjoy or wouldn't mind doing. Have heart to heart conversation about it listen to the reason(s) why he won't do it and try to find work around. If he truly loves you he'll try his best to keep you happy.

[Suz]

They are. Some though may have a problem. My brother in law has too many sweat glands in his feet so he can't help it that his feet naturally sweat a lot and secrete a lot of bacteria and smell funky. You love people not what their body is doing but whenever you can, you try to help them achieve their goals and ideals. In trying to help my brother in law when he was concerned about the issue, I had a french company ship this special lotion that shrank sweat glands like an antiperspirant lotion. He loved it and used it all the time, but now that company doesn't make that any more. I wasn't try to change him when I did this. This was his own concern and using my Ne, I merely found a way to help his cause out. That's support.

Well sure, but health/physiological probs aren't type related.
It was nice of you to care and think of getting him the lotion (and now worrying about alternatives), though.

[Suz]

LSIs are generally pretty fastidious about this kind of thing, so it's weird that you know an LSI who is so grubby. I NEVER type on anything as superficial as this so I won't say he isn't LSI, just that this is atypical of that type.

In general I would say if someone has bad hygiene, it's best to just gently but directly say something. "Hey, why don't you quick hit the shower before we do X." If you use the right tone of voice it's cool.

Of course if this is an LSI maybe you should do it in the exact opposite way of how I would do it. Hmmmm.

well i think this is great advice, and the key is, like you said, in the tone of voice used. I'm not confident i could pull that off without sounding judgemental.

Maybe an Fe-ego could say it the way the LSI would like it...

[Amber]

LSIs are generally pretty fastidious about this kind of thing, so it's weird that you know an LSI who is so grubby. I NEVER type on anything as superficial as this so I won't say he isn't LSI, just that this is atypical of that type.
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not that superficial. However I often type by sex. If he went on with lack of sex out of her initiative .... either he was lately kinda put off by her, or he 's not LSI. Here, i'm just typing by rape.

[silke]

IMO there isn't a strong link between socionics IEs or types and appearance. If there was, typing through VI would be a piece of cake instead of all the threads on its uselessness. If all LSIs were impeccable dressers then there would be no problems identifying them.

[Amber]

IMO there isn't a strong link between socionics IEs or types and appearance. If there was, typing through VI would be a piece of cake instead of all the threads on its uselessness. If all LSIs were impeccable dressers then there would be no problems identifying them.

this is more a matter of areas of interest. So I think it has to do with functions as well. It was not a statement like all LSIs have harmonious facial features or LSIs are usually super tall and muscular. Here you have Ti rigor and strictness and orientation to relevant details with Se interest in appearance ...that's only an aspect of it, sure. But it's called external statics of object for a reason.

[silke]

this is more a matter of areas of interest. So I think it has to do with functions as well. It was not a statement like all LSIs have harmonious facial features or LSIs are usually super tall and muscular. Here you have Ti rigor and strictness and orientation to relevant details with Se interest in appearance ...that's only an aspect of it, sure. But it's called external statics of object for a reason.

There are other factors influencing people's appearance (for one, besides socionics there exist multiple other typologies). I've known LSIs who lead a hippy-like lifestyle and dress accordingly and LSIs who strive for that impeccable, clean-cut look. Consider that "external statics of objects" Se doesn't produce any kind of direction or value judgement of its own. It is a perceiving element which allows the LSI to have a keen awareness of what's actually out there, but to say that it has any influence on how well he keeps up with his looks is really a large gap in thinking.

[Reficulris]

Why aren't we talking about sex with Fagin anymore?

(I notice a trend, I post clarifications whenever the conversation turns away from sex and towards socionics! Maybe this forum should change to SexTypes.com and solely talk about sexing different types of people! can we? can we?)

[Beautiful sky]

It's not really type related and I agree with silke however, being a Sensate, one would think that orientation towards here and now and things that look a certain way would appeal to them. There are LSI who are just so nonchalant about their day and who they will see, may not care about impressing anyone or just lead a role of a slackly "writer" lol which my writer LSI friend does and when doing so he doesn't care much about the holes in his shirt lol. I don't care, I never mention it. Those things don't bother me.

[Satan]

this is more a matter of areas of interest. So I think it has to do with functions as well. It was not a statement like all LSIs have harmonious facial features or LSIs are usually super tall and muscular. Here you have Ti rigor and strictness and orientation to relevant details with Se interest in appearance ...that's only an aspect of it, sure. But it's called external statics of object for a reason.

Se is as things are, not matching some aesthetic purity.

[Amber]

Se is as things are, not matching some aesthetic purity.

you must have a pure soul