leader, why the fuck would you want an infj girl.
leader, why the fuck would you want an infj girl.
Buzz her and say "hey, we're ordering lunch...do you want any?" if she asks what and doesn't know what she wants to get make a suggestion for her because indecision is a common factor blocking decision when hungry. If she doesn't order anything, you keep asking her in a casual way...the third time tell her "I don't mean to nag at you, but I want you to know that I'm just thinking about you and making sure you get something to eat." She'll feel taken care of and loved
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Ne's primary concern is that of physical necessity in relation to existence.
Se already has that question figured out: food. Sometimes sex. And sleep.
@blackburry and her big floppy pussy. She gotz some Ne.
Man grows used to everything, the scoundrel!
-Raskolnikov
extroverted sensing as base function: ability to perceive what things ARE
extroverted intuition as base function: ability to perceive what things COULD BE
extroverted sensing as creative function: will to REARRANGE reality by means of PHYSICAL action
extroverted intuition as creative function: will to REARRANGE reality by means of VERBAL communication
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
This is the most embarrassing thread To me because I really see my stupidity here
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 02-12-2017 at 04:17 AM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Me is good with coming up with new ideas and Se is good at observing statics like a guy who yells out get off the field Se will say "that guy is being alpha"
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
That's good... So what is Ni and Si?
Si is perceiving "how I am" (or how others are) in the moment
(Also: How I sense things)
Ni is perceiving "how I could be" (or how others could be) in the past or the future
(Also: How I mentally know myself)
Si creative is following external rules by applying "How I am" in the moment
Ni creative is following external rules by applying "How I could be" in the past or future
Maybe that's a good thing...
Last edited by Singu; 02-12-2017 at 12:31 PM.
Let's suppose the hammer was just invented by chance.
@ hammer: Well potentially you could try this on nails
@ hammer: *just wields it*
Interesting things:
Se - The principle of existence: “I am active, therefore I exist”
Ne - The principle of existence: “The world around me is in harmony, therefore I exist.”
http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?t...Grigory_Reinin
Why is it important for Ne to be harmonious?
The Ne-ego seeks for a holistic understanding of their environment in the framework of Ti or Fi. Ne seeks first to understand the world as it is, to find patterns and account for all processes to find the confidence that anything new can be explained immediately and accurately. When the environment is not harmonious, it means that the Ne-ego's understanding of the environment is not complete.
Reinin describes Ne as "integrity of the external world", and Ni as "integrity of the internal situation", but why does N have anything to do with integrity? It is clear that they both seek some kind of mental understandings instead of perceiving things as they are.
Ah! Perhaps if there's an integrity, then things are more predictable. N types are less secure in handling things in a physical way, so they must rely on their mental perception to attempt to control the world around them.
Ne attempts to predict their environment (need a longer description than this). Ni attempts to predict themselves, which in turn can be used to predict others or some events.
Ne is static. We attempt to build static models which, by their nature, contain information that we use to aid in predictions. So when we see something which is an indicator (relevant info) for our models, we use it to figure out which model applies, and then that gives us all the info we need to stay on top of things (predict things). E.G. say for IEE, person A does action X, Y, and Z, and model/holograph H is the only holograph with X, Y, and Z, so person A is of type H, and then all the information (which is of a Fi nature: characteristics about them, what they want, how they will respond to different cues and situations) is available to us and we have this in-depth picture of someone we just met. The more significant someone becomes to us the more we customize this information for them but importantly we use this to modify our models, make new distinctions, etc.
I am never sure how to describe Ni though, but attempting to predict oneself seems too simple, right? Is it like you understand the world by understanding yourself and imagining 'if I was this person/entity/process, how would I work?'
Yeah, it is a bit too simple. With Ni, you're always imagining yourself being in some time in the future or the past. I'd suppose you'd need to properly understand the consistency of yourself and others, or you can't predict the future, you can't understand how people or events may unfold. If there was no consistency, then it'll be unpredictable.
I do think "If I were this person, how would I feel/work?" etc, but I think that's more Ni with Fe.
Hmm, I think this is fairly relevant Fi information. I also do this but idk, it's probably more unconscious. But all this information is lumped into Fe and it basically asks: "What are they feeling? (in the moment)".
From what I understand, Fi keeps making models and it pulls out some information as needed. I think that makes Fi more understandable (to me).
Being an Ni dominant, you'd think I knew more about Ni, but it is hard to conceptualize. I consider it to be when I'm working on a test, and about halfway through I forget all the answers. Then at the last minute, I remember them all again. What goes on behind the scenes is that I'm going back in my head to what I was doing when I learned the whatever I need. Kind of similar to that movie, inception, except much more mundane. I can, for example, imagine a map of Europe. Currently, I see a flash of images of maps go through my mind. And then it is gone. I can see video, with sound included, but the quality of the videos is not so good. Anyways, most of this process is probably unconscious, which is weird considering it is my primary function. I reason it goes too quickly for myself to conciously understand, but it is there, and I am able to catch glimpses of it.
Si is the thing I don't care about, my appearance and other things. I might be too hot, but I don't care. That kind of thing. Hence why I typically wear two jackets no matter the temperature, and also why I wore no jackets for marching band when it was really cold. So yeah. Si is what ILI does not care about. IEIs also in theory don't care about them, but they at least try to look and smell nice because Fe or something. Oh yeah, excercise fits into this category, so I'd think it'd be reasonable to sometimes have an ILI that works out nonstop, and sometimes have an ILI that is more heavy set and more on the lazy side. Again, I'm not sure how his applies to IEIs, but it does.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology
An optimist - does not get discouraged under any circumstances. Life upheavals and stressful events only toughen him and make more confident. He likes to laugh and entertain people. Enters contact with someone by involving him with a humorous remark. His humor is often sly and contain hints and double meanings. Easily enters into arguments and bets, especially if he is challenged. When arguing his points is often ironic, ridicules the views of his opponent. His irritability and hot temper may be unpleasant to others. However, he himself is not perceptive of this and believes that he is simply exchanging opinions.
http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=LIE_Profile_by_Gulenko
It's not that bad, at least the second paragraph.
Ni does not have to be about oneself. This is not what introversion means, if that's what you mean. Ni generally means being aware of the deeper meaning and significance behind events, and how they are connected, what consequences actions have, etc.
(Your description of Ne sounds a bit strange to me actually, prediction may be a part of it but prediction is generally more of an Ni theme. Ne is more about spotting opportunities, seeing things or people's essential traits, etc.)
@thehotelambush
In regards to Ne, yes, these are themes which are associated with Ne-egos. The actual underlying process through which I (and perhaps other IEEs, as well as ILEs and Ne-creatives, but I cannot speak for them) obtain insight into potential and essence is through the habit of making predictions, trying to 'see further' down the timeline, so that we can see what will happen before others do and thus be in a position to capitalize on this information. The strategy being from an evolutionary standpoint that 'the present is crowded, space is taken up, I will reposition to get more in the future.'
If you read Reinin you may notice that he associates Ne with "The sequence of events from the beginning to the end. This series of events, which are known in advance, the timetable. Potential. Program behavior, way of life, the rhythm of life. The script of an action, the score." I think this complements Aushra and others' writings quite well, and corresponds to my experience. All this of course is related to searching for potential and essence, but I was explaining the process as it happens.
Ni is also associated with time and timelines so I am curious to hear from a Ni-dom how their process works. Not just 'theme words'
oh but hotel doesn't believe in reinins
Se observes the outer properties of the objects thus knowing what's in the room and how these objects interact. People are objects too so if you act and smell like a Nazi what Se does is say that person is a Nazi lol. Se also observes the force that can be applied with objects and what objects maybe used for what force to get their way or to enact their will and change for their liking.
I'll give you an example of an SEE.
A child (5 years old) nags about their food at the dinner table. The SEE father tells him he can't get up until he's finished eating. Child, being 5, doesn't listen. To enact will and some sort of punishment the SEE warns them they will pour the food on their head. Then the child doesn't do as told the punishment is the SEE pours the food on a 5 year olds head.
My Fi to the above (you don't want to hear it!)
Here's Ne. Ne observes the inner statics of the objects. I or IEE look at the child and sense discomfort with regard to the food. And make out that they don't like it. What we do is trick, fool, or make the child something else to eat. @Chae what do you think?
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 03-24-2017 at 06:37 PM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
ok tldr
all N is 'between the lines' -- what's above, and what spiritually/theoretically/conceptually/meta-ly holds things together; all that's not space and form -- it's the inverse of it, which helps GIVE IT form in that way
S is 'the lines'
(why N is "integrity" here, @Singularity )
i'd put my paypal link down so i could collect money for these insights if it weren't for my name being on there
Ne is about potential. Seeing the potential in people, and seeing the potential in situations. The below is an example of how Ne looks like (quoted from Anne Frank's diary):
"Think of all the beauty still left around you and be happy."
"How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world."
"I see the world being slowly transformed into a wilderness; I hear the approaching thunder that, one day, will destroy us too. I feel the suffering of millions. And yet, when I look up at the sky, I somehow feel that everything will change for the better, that this cruelty too shall end, that peace and tranquility will return once more."
"Human greatness does not lie in wealth or power, but in character and goodness. People are just people, and all people have faults and shortcomings, but all of us are born with a basic goodness."
"Despite everything, I believe that people are really good at heart."
"Everyone has inside of him a piece of good news. The good news is that you don't know how great you can be! How much you can love! What you can accomplish! And what your potential is!"
"I don't want to have lived in vain like most people. I want to be useful or bring enjoyment to all people, even those I've never met. I want to go on living even after my death!"
"I have often been downcast but never in despair; I regard our hiding as a dangerous adventure, romantic and interesting at the same time. In my diary, I treat all the privations as amusing."
"I simply can't build my hopes on a foundation of confusion, misery and death... I think... peace and tranquillity will return again."
"He who has courage and faith will never perish in misery!"
"If I haven't any talent for writing books or newspaper articles, well, then I can always write for myself."
Agree, is out there wildin'. Sure, I would use deception instead of punishment - the latter usually achieves to opposite effect. If you want a person to do something, you gotta make them want to do it themselves.
Maybe stage a funny theatre where the food was starting to talk (Me as Pepper: "Wooo let's enter this cave with white sabers hanging out of it!!" - Kid as Bread: "Yes build a bridge!!"), or pretend it would fly into the kid's mouth, this always does the trick and the kid starts to demand more and more. So, roleplay would be useful, could be connected to the kid's favorite book. Also I would try the food myself showing a good reaction (announcing I'd eat everything myself HAHAA I'M EVIL!!) so they become extra jealous If all else fails, pull silly faces and throw food into their open mouth while they are laughing. Nah just kidding they might choke.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
INjs converge divergently due to ignoring making process internally exhaustive thanks to demonstrative.
I just tried to look at this seemingly simple beast:
r=sin(kx)
You know what? It is very diverse and one could spend lots of days analyzing all facets of it (maybe rest of your life because it has interesting connections for example a pendulum in newtonian mechanics considering rotating coordinate system). It is kind of beautiful and very frustrating at the same time. Converging divergently...
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
idiosyncratic type
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
Joinif you dare https://matrix.to/#/#The16Types:matrix.org
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
idiosyncratic type
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
Joinif you dare https://matrix.to/#/#The16Types:matrix.org
Couple of things I have done with my nephew.
Let's brush teeth. Child.: Nope!
I took glass full of water and watered my own head. It was easy after that.
Or when a nephew didn't go to bed. I pulled out my cell phone and said: So... we can listen lullabies all night long and he went to bed laughing.
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
idiosyncratic type
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
Joinif you dare https://matrix.to/#/#The16Types:matrix.org
Here's an Se example from an SEE of a different culture and non violent.
SEE: I'm taking proceedural medicine class and the procedure is that you have to triple check the meds before you disburse it once when you pull the meds from the counter, once when you draw the meds into the syringe, and once when you before you give the shot. I got points deducted for not triple checking. It's not like it's going to change after I've checked it the first time so I faught the teacher on it.
This should also go into the Ti polr thread
IEE would not fight the teacher on the procedure (please note that IEE is of Delta aristocratic dichotomy and thus sees or observes social hierarchy and respects the teacher authority)
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 03-24-2017 at 10:54 PM.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Well yeah, I don't put much stock in Reinin dichotomies but I did take a look at Reinin's book and it's not something I would use as a reference, sorry.
edit: actually the book is not bad overall but this happens to be one of the parts I don't agree with...
Last edited by Exodus; 03-25-2017 at 01:32 AM.
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
idiosyncratic type
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
Joinif you dare https://matrix.to/#/#The16Types:matrix.org
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I wasn't reading it as an ethical type of integrity.
Change "integrity" to:
coalescence of the internal situation
cohesion of the internal situation
wholeness of the internal situation
Does that make a difference?
I call it my innernet. <-- that just gave me an idea.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung