Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
That is NOT why they get mad/upset and/or dismiss you.
It's because
a) you act as if you are the end-all-be-all of IEE that all others must be held to,
b) you state your position then refuse to further discuss it nor listen to the other person,
c) you ignore possible errors in your perceptions, your understandings, and your reasonings,
d) you openly request NOT to be shown proof nor examples that could clear things up,
e) i'm quite certain there are other reasons beyond your measely chosen one, though I am sure picking that one out of so many other possibilities helps you feel superior and like a proper victim when they openly disagree with you

This and also the clear clique of persons to be understanding what Se is and to be able to identify it in others. It is interesting that two socionics groups I regularly attend in London run by two persons who have socionics societies/organisations have typed me IEE. They are professionals. I think the fact that i attend regularly and am happy to converse for hours on end on theories bolsters this. Though I am certain there are other reasons. Being tested in a group is a little embarassing but i suppose it does get to to respond more in a natural way as it is on the spot responses. For example being given an object (very similar to your blog entry really) and told that i have to describe it. My under pressure response was that it could be a hat for a very small person or a version of the kerplunk game. Obviously given more time i would have come up with lots of things but on the spot thats what i said immediately befor being stopped because it was so obviously an Ne and not Se response. I believe the Se response would have been something like describing it by saying it was metal, it had holes in it and a handle etc.

The thing is though, the VI thread i started intentionally because i wanted to see what kind of responses it illicited from particular people (and well everybody) so I could better understand their own reasoning.

What I have garnered is this. Maritsa grabs with her neediness certain individuals which she places on a pedestal and rewards with compliments every time they respond with a 'positive agreement' this is the part Eliza (and many before her) play. So Eliza believing that she is truly one of the very few IEE's here is so eager to please Maritsa that she is almost not realising her own actions and certainly not the possible harm they can cause.

The thing is I would have no issue with Maritsa or Eliza if it were not for their trying to convince others that they are particular types and laud it about in public, waving it under peoples noses with their own in the air. I do not hold it against them in any particular way if anything I feel sorry for them as it comes across as quite desperate. How you can justify that (approx) one third of all female members here are SEE is beyond me. I find it quite damaging to the individuals concerned. Many people do take it personally and it can be upsetting. I imagine that a lot of the IEE's Maritsa and clique re-diagnose as SEE are actually upset because to us IEE folk (and many others) it is very important that people see us as genuine and our quest is one of understanding ourselves and others and experiencing things in true form. And how is it possible to do this when you are being accused of not understanding yourself and of being incapable of understanding what they, the elite, are suggesting is beyond your grasp.

The Se thread was really to see how the VI thread could manifest in terms of certain persons typing others as Se ego. It is also a way for me (and hopefully some others too) to garner further insight into socionics, the relationships/communications between different types and how it is perceived by them as individuals and how that then influences a group mentality.

I did not however intend of turing this into a public feud, I'd prefer to keep it clean and resist petty insults.


Edit: I wrote this post 'on the fly', I have been having lots of thoughts regarding this for some time but now seemed an apt time to share some of them.