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    Default Socionics of Struggles and Alliances

    While thinking about quadras I got this idea...

    In the world of people there are two kinds of struggles constantly going on

    a) struggle over values
    b) struggle over power

    Struggle over values or better struggle over who defines our values and what method should be used is going on between Alpha and Delta quadras.

    Struggle over materialistic power is going on between Beta and Gamma quadras.

    Now in order to promote their values better Alpha and Delta quadras need a "hammer". Since Alpha and Gamma quadras are functionally very conflicting the Alpha quadra naturally chooses Beta over Gamma. They promise to support Beta in their fight over Gamma if they promote Alpha values in the process. Same thing happens with Delta except they rather choose Gamma over Beta.

    So in effect we can often see Delta-Gamma alliance fighting against Alpha-Beta alliance where Gamma and Beta do the actual fighting and Alpha and Delta work in the background.

    If we apply this to current world situation we can perhaps see these alliances forming. US is the ultimate Gamma hammer of the Delta Christian leaders. Deltas will make sure Gamma people stay in power if they promise to use US power to promote their values.

    What about the other side then. Perhaps current Islamist leaders are more likely to be Alpha than Delta. US is getting too powerful and is trying to impose Delta values everywhere and take control of all of their material things in the process. So what do they do? They form an alliance with Beta powers in the region. These people who don't like seeing US army around. People who want power and are willing to use any means necessary to beat US. Even terrorism. In Beta spirit...end over means.

    (Disclaimer: I'm not claiming Christianity to be ultimately Delta or Islam to be ultimately Alpha. Just in current world situation their leaders or leading interpretations perhaps are that way. Although sometimes Christianity is said to be religion of the "heart" (Fi) and Islam the religion of the "mind" (Ti) it is likely that both can be interpreted in "Delta-spirit" or "Alpha-spirit").

    Perhaps this kind of Delta-Gamma vs Alpha-Beta alliances have been seen in previous huge wars and power struggles too. Or any kind of fierce competition situation. Maybe in the business world too (though values are less important there so it is likely to be more about Gamma vs Beta).

    After the war/confrontation the alliances weaken and quadras / quadra leaders are left to seek new partners to get ready for the next big confrontation.

    Now how does this sound? Oversimplification of course but can you see it touching reality at least occasionally? Of course not all people of same quadra stand in the same side etc. Mostly the struggle is between leaders (or most relevant leading groups etc) from different quadras. Regular people are more or less pawns (willing or unwilling ones) or just irrelevant factors.

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    Default Re: Socionics of Struggles and Alliances

    To make it short...the main claims are...

    1. Alpha and Delta have a natural struggle over values

    2. Beta and Gamma have a natural struggle over power

    3. The most natural alliances are Alpha & Beta vs Delta & Gamma

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    Very interesting idea. I don't think large scale conflict in the world is directly caused by socionic relationships or quadras (except the relations between world leaders), but it symbolizes the division in human nature represented by the 4 quadras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pezzonovante
    Very interesting idea. I don't think large scale conflict in the world is directly caused by socionic relationships or quadras (except the relations between world leaders), but it symbolizes the division in human nature represented by the 4 quadras.
    Yeah. I'm not trying to paint this thing to be the ultimate cause of everything. And the practical examples are just a quick attempt to bind this idea to reality. For example US is usually considered to have a "Gamma spirit" even if the leadership changes every four years. But the examples are flawed in many ways and not that important here. The main idea is most important.

    You could actually formulate this thing differently if you want to. Which ever way you formulate it the main idea here is the claim that Alpha and Beta are likely to form alliances against Delta and Gamma because a) these quadra pairs complement each other best and b) with these alliances a conflict is destined to come (types in Delta and Beta have rather heavy relations, types in Gamma and Alpha have rather heavy relations). You could actually apply this in individual level too not just in larger scale. If true it should be visible wherever people form groups and compete.

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    Ok an example scenario of how this idea would manifest itself...

    Let's assume we put a number of people to deserted island or something like that. First they are all scattered. In second stage friendships start to form. Before you know it people arrange into quadras.

    In third stage Beta quadra and Gamma quadra get restless and get into action. They probably have different kind of ideas of how to arrange things and thus they will do things their own way and compete against each other.

    At the same time Alpha and Delta quadra are getting restless about the chaos of values. Alpha quadra thinks there is too much bitching and whining and everything is way too subjective and undefined. Delta quadra thinks the place should definately be more humane. Quickly Alpha and Delta see they have a very different view on how the questions of ethics should be approached and see they can't work together on this. They also acknowledge their lack and thus they should work with Beta or Gamma people in order to make something happen.

    In fourth stage Alpha and Delta try to sell their ideas to Beta and Gamma. Well Beta seems to like the Alpha approach more and make a pact with Alphas. They will help each other. Gamma seems to like the approach and make a pack with Deltas. Now the quadras and alliances are formed.

    In the fifth stage fierce competition starts. Depending on circumstances and random developments fifth stage can lead to sixth stage which is an allout war. A world war if you wish. A localized version of Armageddon.

    Now how about this In a world with 6 billion people and myriads of ideas, organizations and nations this whole thing gets much more complicated but if you look it from abstract enough perspective the main points may still hold. This might at least make a cool computer game where you can choose in which quadra and alliance you stand. But think it is more than a nice idea for a game.

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