What are the least socially accepted function(s)?

[oyburger]

On the same thought as this one

What do you believe to be the least socially accepted functions today?
Comments appreciated

[Expat]

I voted , but I think is at the bottom of socially acceptability as well.

I think "socially acceptability" means "telling people what they want to hear" and both and are the most unlike that.

[Nessy]

I voted , because it's difficult to share especially with N focusers.

[Gilly]

I voted , but I think is at the bottom of socially acceptability as well.

I think "socially acceptability" means "telling people what they want to hear" and both and are the most unlike that.

I think this needs to be made clear.

I voted in terms of a function being rewarded by society in general, whether that be in the work place or in a social setting. In this case, Te is near the top of the list.

However, if by socially acceptable we mean to limit the scope to a purely social setting, then I think it's obvious that Se and Fe are valued most, while Ti is probably valued least. I would tend to disagree that Te is socially undervalued, simply because I've seen so many cases in which Te-like behavior is rewarded in the same way as Se: for being overt, outspoken, and socially aggressive. However, it really does depend on the individual, IMO. I know that I'm capable of using Ti as a social function in a way that others respond very positively to.

[detail]

On another dimension of socially acceptability, when someone throws an comment in a classroom, or even in most public places, he exposes himself to strange looks from others. The problem with the concept of "socially acceptability" is that it is, again relative to people so it is directly to functions. That's why we should call each one one of these names: Socially acceptability 1, socially acceptability 2, etc... (Not really. (Even though often times the "dimension" of a word is not explicit enough))

[anndelise]

What are the least socially accepted function(s)?
I would think that it depends on the social contexts and the goal of the interaction.
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N and F when you are trying to get someone to focus on external (as in superficial) aspects.
S and T when you are trying to get someone to focus on internal (as in subjective) aspects.

S and F when you are trying to get someone to focus on pure abstractness.
N and T when you are trying to get someone to focus on pure involvement. (Babelfish Russian translation used the term "involvement"…if one contrasts "abstractness" against "involvement" as a dichotomy type thing, then there is a subtle hint of what they mean by "involvement".)

(and according to the perception/judgment concept)
N and S when you are trying to get someone to focus on "judgment" calls.
F and T when you are trying to get someone to focus on "perception" calls.
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Some examples, though not an exhaustive list:
Ne - when you don’t want someone popping off possible meanings/actions
Se - when you don't want someone going into intensely descriptive details
Fi - when you don’t want someone asking questions about what you personally like/don't like about an item/idea/person
Ti - when you don't want someone demanding quantifiable data and proof
Ni - when you don't want someone describing patterns of events when you're trying to focus on one specific instance
Si - when you don't want someone getting caught up in their own physical sensations (especially when trying to sew them up without being able to use anesthetics….think of the social context of a hospital.)
Fe - when you don't want someone reading your non-verbal signals
Te - when you don't want someone informing you as to what to do, when, how, where, etc.

[FDG]

On another dimension of socially acceptability, when someone throws an comment in a classroom, or even in most public places, he exposes himself to strange looks from others.

Exactly. I voted for

[Joy]

I voted Ne as well, because society as a whole seems to dislike people who go against norms and try to inspire change

[Logos]

If and are considered the least socially accepted function, what does that say about and types?

[stefana]

..........

[oyburger]

They will be lying at the fringe of society, not really fitting in.

Well, I've got a lot to look forward to ...jk

[stefana]

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[detail]

If and are considered the least socially accepted function, what does that say about and types?

That their quadra section's post count will go up.

[snegledmaca]

Shit, I accidentally voted Se. Could my vote be annulled?

[oyburger]

Shit, I accidentally voted Se. Could my vote be annulled?

I can't fix it in the polls, but its annulled mentally

[science as magic]

Se and Fe are valued most

wot? is not necessarily valued socially in my experience. it is valued in career advancement settings and that seems to be about it. socially, it would seem only valued with partiers/clubbers/ravers

also is HUGELY devalued (not non-valued, devalued) which is why I rearrange my mindset constantly so that I can "fool everyone." perhaps I have indeed lost it. this is sad to me.

[detail]

Pedro your sig is great.

[science as magic]

Thanks :wink:

:edit:

Shit, I accidentally voted Se. Could my vote be annulled?

what did you mean to vote?

[Megan]

I voted . Probably why the types with as a creative function usually don't express themselves much socially is because they know that most people do not usually understand their based ideas.

Would anyone care to explain their reasoning for why they think is not well accepted socially?

[Expat]

Actually I now think is a better choice then .

I chose because it's the opposite of focusing on other persons' emotional needs, sheer logic supported by internal beliefs rather than focusing on what the other person would want to hear to feel good.

[Megan]

Actually I now think is a better choice then .

I chose because it's the opposite of focusing on other persons' emotional needs, sheer logic supported by internal beliefs rather than focusing on what the other person would want to hear to feel good.

Expat, are you indirectly saying that socially most people just want to hear what will make them feel good?

[oyburger]

Expat, are you indirectly saying that socially most people just want to hear what will make them feel good?

That's been my experience, people don't want confrontation, they want mindless chatter and compliments. That doesn't speak for everyone of course.

[UDP]

They will be lying at the fringe of society, not really fitting in.

Well, I've got a lot to look forward to ...jk

Hey, I love it on the verge. Feels right at home.

"Leadership is a choice, not a position". :wink:


In general, though, I agree with what has been said here.

[Logos]

Basically is not socially acceptable since it makes the person seem to be a robot of cold logic, which runs counter to social norms. , though, is what generally challenges the social norms.

[science as magic]

you fucks are insane. who is more popular enfps or intjs? is used for all that funny silly random bullshit that draws people to types. They're magicians, tricksters, wild, and crazy. People love them for it.

[Nessy]

LOL at magical INTjism

[Creepy-pokeball]

I would imagine that different subcultures prefer different functions...

[oyburger]

you fucks are insane. who is more popular enfps or intjs? is used for all that funny silly random bullshit that draws people to types. They're magicians, tricksters, wild, and crazy. People love them for it.

So they really were laughing with me and not at me?

I would imagine that different subcultures prefer different functions

In the thread I made earlier about the most accepted functions I stated that this would be based on American culture. Yes, all Americans are egocentric

Edit: I need to learn to read, yes different subcultures would value different functions.

[Creepy-pokeball]

Yeah, subcultures. There's a bajillion of them in the USA.

[snegledmaca]

I think culture is a mayor factor. Ne seems to be the function most socially accepted here. (If Ne means discussing various possibilities, challenging established views, having revolutionary thoughts and so on, you know, stuff that brings about change.)

[Expat]

Expat, are you indirectly saying that socially most people just want to hear what will make them feel good?

"Socially" as in "superficial chats over a drink with acquaintances or during coffee at work" - yes. Unless people are in the middle of exchanging factual information or asking for specific advice.

[FDG]

you fucks are insane. who is more popular enfps or intjs? is used for all that funny silly random bullshit that draws people to types. They're magicians, tricksters, wild, and crazy. People love them for it.

Not around here. Most people think that they're "strange" and they "should" become "normal".

[Ms. Kensington]

bump

[Blaze]

nice bump ms. k. good thread.

yeah what someone said about Ne and Ti. the situations where they are valued are pretty specific....you can't just go shooting your mouth off with Ne/Ti all over the place. this is why socionics, when it says to use your strengths, is a little bit off, because these strengths might not be valued in all situations. so us entp's and intj's have to be strategic with the use of our strengths or something and develop our hidden agendas and dual seeking functions, or we're fucked socially. and try to minimize Se and Fi as much as we can, too.

i just think that certain types have it easier in life what with their natural Se, Fe, Si, Fi lead functions. even if they are not as efficient or effective in a work setting, they can still smooth things over with their relationships so as to get by.

Te can be a little bit socially offensive but not as much as Ti. it's kind of hard to argue with Te for sure.

Ni could also be perceived as a little weird. good thing it's an introverted function...easily hidden...so i don't think Ni dominant types pay as high a social price for their strengths.

i figure NeTi is my spiritual path...i've been given a harder task for some reason that will become clear over my lifetime.

[Creepy-Diana]

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[Blaze]

@Diana: sounds like you have more internal tension which you feel before you act or say something. and some afterward depending on which course of action you chose.

i would have a modicum of internal tension before acting/speaking and more tension between myself and someone else after i act or say something. then i have to fix it. and if the person is highly sensitive or relationally ethical, then they may not forgive me....

huh kinda seems like there's tension either way, but maybe the relationships hold up better the Fi way than the NeTi way.

[Amber]

On the same thought as this one

What do you believe to be the least socially accepted functions today?
Comments appreciated

I think it also depends on specific societies ...and the wording "least accepted" sounds a bit harsh.
however the least valued in contemporary times is Ni imo (maybe also Si, but only because it is so common in many people) .... while at the opposite end you have Se and Te.

[The Reality Denialist]

It is been pretty rough path for me. All I get is this: you have insight, you are funny, pretty cool scenarios but get your feces together (the family friendly version) an actually be with us because for someone with this much potential and brains you are not doing so well and not know what you really want.
Detachment is big factor so Ti coupled with with Ne detachment = recipe for weirdness.

[xerx]

All functions are acceptable or unacceptable inside one subculture or another.

The quasi-official narrative, however, is that Gammas are the most "normal" types with respect to their time and place. But that is a very debatable and very, very general statement.

[ouronis]

Society constantly demonizes Se while employing it to punish itself