No, i don't exist for them unless i'm placed high within their mating hierarchy and they seem to favor character traits i got over when i was 5 years old as attractive - wannabe badboy bullshit and general cockiness without substance - where if i lack that chav-bullshittery they see it as weakness and goes on to fuck someone that meets their requirements, just to attempt to scold me if they think i have feelings for them; so they can see that and get emotional response from me that boosts their ego.

So dealing with them feels a bit like a "fuck you" from people who tell themselves that their lack of self-confidence and dependency on other people actually is "social competence" and if i'm not like that i'm "tragic" - which is of course projection.

But that's women in general - male duals i get along with fine however - could be something with me having 0% Fe but i prefer ISTj and ISTp women over INFp since they're not histrionic dramawhores that put themselves on a piedestal.