Kim, turn around and quietly step away...
Kim, turn around and quietly step away...
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
harry potter changed my life
I was a philosophy major, and the purpose of a philosophy major isn't so much to learn what others have thought before you (though that's certainly an essential part of it of course because if you don't know what came before you you'll never fully understand what'd it mean to think originally.. and most people don't think original things), but to yourself know how to thinking logically, to apply logic to thought, and to understand what it means to create novel concepts (images of thought) applicable to the world around you. But at the undergraduate level though you are correct, your primary focus is on other people's thoughts/writing. Most people don't get into original thinking until graduate/phd level.Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon
Thanks for clarifying!
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Aw Kim, i would think you would feel comfortable enough with me to share what's on your mind! it's ok to correct my misconceptions, i wont be upset or take offense, in fact i take offense if you dont!
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Well, you are basically saying that there is no value in studying literature, which is what I happen to be teaching. So naturally I am a bit taken aback.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
Kant was Beta (LSI)
Epicurus was Delta (IEE)
The others seem right.
Whoa, I don't even know some of those. But I see some errors:
Karl Marx was Ne-ILE
Erwin Schröedinger was Ne-IEE
Immanuel Kant was Ti-LSI
Friedrich Nietzsche was Ni-EIE
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People often mistakes famous IEEs for other types. Can you give me a list of IEE philosophers?
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Gayatri Spivak anyone? Her demeanor and mannerisms strike me as beta, but her writing seems from gamma or delta even.
Plus we need a few more non-Western women to go with all those dead white guys.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
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I care.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
Bohr was likely Ti-LII.
He was kind of Einstein-ish (imaginary experiments, etc.) Just Fi valuing.
Yeah, probably IEE.
Darwin SLI????? See, Darwin is a figure who I've always thought there is universal consensus about being Gamma/ILI. His views on competition are biased by being a Se valuer himself (much like John Nash and his game-theory).
Milton Friedman SLI???? I thought he was one of the most clear cut IEI examples of there. He was cynical and elitist as hell. Was personal friend of Margarett Tatcher (LSI) and Augusto Pinochet (LSI).
No opinion about Lorenz (but SLI doesn't seem likely).
Turing could be EII.
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You know what? You're an individual, and that makes people nervous. And it's gonna keep making people nervous for the rest of your life. - Ole Golly from Harriet, the spy.
Well, here is my list (albeit, somewhat mixed with philosophy and just great minds of History):
Alpha:
Archimedes (Ne-ILE)
Pythagoras (Ti-ILE)
Democritus (Ne-ILE)
Marx (Ne-ILE)
Descartes (Ne-LII)
Voltaire (Ne-LII)
Engels (Si-SEI)
Verne (Si-ESE)
Beta:
A. Smith (Ti-LSI)
Aristotle (Ti-LSI)
Hegel (Ti-LSI)
Kant (Ti-LSI)
Plato (Ni-IEI)
Socrates (Ni-IEI)
Gandhi (Ni-IEI)
Göthe (Ni-EIE)
Nietzsche (Ni-EIE)
Jesus (Fe-EIE)
****** (Fe-EIE)
Gamma:
Gödel (Te-ILI)
Confusius (Ni-ILI)
Siddartha (Ni-ILI)
Delta:
Marcus Aurelius (Fi-EII)
Kropotkin (Fi-EII)
Dostoievski (Fi-EII)
Stuart Mill (Fi-EII)
Epicurus (Ne-IEE)
T. Huxley (Fi-IEE)
A. Huxley (Ne-IEE)
Orwell (Fi-IEE)
Sagan (Ne-IEE)
DaVinci (Te-SLI)
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You know what? You're an individual, and that makes people nervous. And it's gonna keep making people nervous for the rest of your life. - Ole Golly from Harriet, the spy.
Hmm, I see you've been productive, mikemex.
I just watched a lecture by her not long ago. I would say LII or EII.Gayatri Spivak anyone? Her demeanor and mannerisms strike me as beta, but her writing seems from gamma or delta even.
Plus we need a few more non-Western women to go with all those dead white guys.
I am not sure about alpha after thinking on it. Maybe EII, yeah.I will give a lecture on her in February, so I will report back when I have re-read her stuff (not exactly a fun read in terms of her writing, but she is just so amazing otherwise).
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“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
Marcus Aurelius EII, interesting.
My own speculation:
Diogenes of Sinope: SLI.
As we reach for the stars, we must put away childish things; gods, spirits and other phantasms of the brain. Reality is cruel and unforgiving, yet we must steel ourselves and secure the survival of our race through the unflinching pursuit of science and technology.
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Western women mostly don't have anything to contribute. The most notable Western female "thinkers" are idiotic feminists making crafts out of their tampons and vagina shaped dinner plates.
The only one I can think to ad is Iris Murdoch who I reckon was IEI.
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How the hell did you arrive at that?
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What about Maureen Dowd?
She's a journalist.
And an aforementioned crazy feminist. It's a shame that female "intellectuals" feel the need to be the dead horse over gender. *sigh*
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Are you a misogynist?
Like who?
I have a hard time seeing how Western feminist thought is any more or less inherently "idiotic" than Western male thought. I honestly don't get it. I can consider something less relevant for myself than other things, but that doesn't mean it's idiotic or irrelevant in the great scheme of things.
Judith Butler's theories might not be immediately relevant for you, but that doesn't make them any less worth reading than those of dead white guys (who are granted credibility by default it appears). Quite the contrary. Leslie Feinberg, as another example, has probably literally saved lives by empowering people, yet it's the likes of Slavoj Žižek and their patriarchial wankery who get credits in a thread like this (I don't dislike him, btw).
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
I don't hate women. I hate how fixated Western women are on their "struggles."
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It's better to read Western male authors who write from a place of privilege?
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
It's also ironic that there are all these forms of dismissing the value of engaging with realities and thought in a thread about philosophy. I have decided to find it more puzzling than irritating.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
To clarify my problem with discussing women in the thread has a significant amount to do with the fact the most of the women we might consider "influential thinkers" are too contemporary. It's difficult to know if their work will remain relevant. Because of the Western female's current fixation on gender I very much doubt it. This is a contemporary issue. I very much doubt people will be pondering it 200 years from now. I have some of the same issues with the "old white men" some have listed. Michel Foucault -- for example -- is about as useless a scholar as the get. People aren't interested in his
"philosophy" they're interested in what he did in the bath houses.
Leslie Feinberg? Last I checked communism doesn't save lives. Just the opposite. Not that she really had anything interesting to say on the subject anyway. If we're talking about LGBT stuff well, Lady Gaga and Chaz Bono are saving lives too. That doesn't make them philosophers.
I respect Judith Butler. I caught a few of her lectures while I was in Berkley and I think that she's quite bright. I like her stance on Israel. That being said she's too fixated on women's "issues" and I doubt her work will transcend zeitgeist.
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This very fact will be pondered I am sure.[To clarify my problem with discussing women in the thread has a significant amount to do with the fact the most of the women we might consider "influential thinkers" are too contemporary. It's difficult to know if their work will remain relevant. Because of the Western female's current fixation on gender I very much doubt it. This is a contemporary issue. I very much doubt people will be pondering it 200 years from now.
He is actually one of my favorites.I have some of the same issues with the "old white men" some have listed. Michel Foucault -- for example -- is about as useless a scholar as the get. People aren't interested in his
"philosophy" they're interested in what he did in the bath houses.
I have a lot to say about this, especially with regards to Butch activism and queer philosophy, etc., but I don't have the time.Leslie Feinberg? Last I checked communism doesn't save lives. Just the opposite. Not that she really had anything interesting to say on the subject anyway. If we're talking about LGBT stuff well, Lady Gaga and Chaz Bono are saving lives too. That doesn't make them philosophers.Stay tuned.
I am sure it will. Just because some names are dropped more often than others doesn't mean their thoughts actually transcended zeitgeist. It just means that we have canonized the living hell out of them.I respect Judith Butler. I caught a few of her lectures while I was in Berkley and I think that she's quite bright. I like her stance on Israel. That being said she's too fixated on women's "issues" and I doubt her work will transcend zeitgeist.
We should probably discuss these things over Tequila one of these days.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
I.. I... I... like Gisela Striker and Martha Nussbaum. *shrugs*
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I can get behind Martha Nussbaum (as you might imagine).
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
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so i was just thinking about the future of the comtemporary possible 'great minds'...and was wondering about speculating who i think could make the future list. Then it occurred to me that maybe in the future we shall have some interesting ancient internet archives that people might dip into/find while researching/investigating/amsuing themselves.... sorry tangent
Now this is a story all about how, my type got changed, turned upside down. Just wait for a minute and watch chatbox right there, & I'll tell how Gem became the moderator with blue hair.
In typology central friended and praised, on the picture thread was where she spent most her days. Chilling out, selfies, relaxing all cool, And all typing some people and getting them schooled.
When a couple of girls who were up to no good, Started annoying her & her friends in the forumhood, She got in one little flame war & got pissed off & said 'I'm moving in with that exboyfriend in the forum with the socionics toffs.
So Gem pulls up to the forum for a year without being a hater, And yells to typocentral 'Yo creeps! Smell Ya later', Became a mod in her kingdom she was finally there, To sit on her throne as the mod with blue hair.
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I can get behind Martha Nussbaum (as you might imagine
I like her for her work on dead white guys though.
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I know.I like her for her work on dead white guys though.
I like the other stuff.
“Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage.”
― Anais Nin
The entire list or just Hegel?
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You know what? You're an individual, and that makes people nervous. And it's gonna keep making people nervous for the rest of your life. - Ole Golly from Harriet, the spy.
Post modernism is basically a scam.
Once I complete my extensive 600 page treatise on the nature of emotions as guidelines for ultimate well-being, can I be a philosopher too? I'll try really hard to not make it a dime-a-dozen self-help book or advertise it as such if that'll help my image of credibility and sage wisdom.
Philosophy is like art. You can't objectively define where it starts and where it ends, so you have to accept everything as "philosphy". Just think how the most simple thoughts can be the essence of a whole school of thought.
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you have to die to become a true philosopher. I';ve heard drinking adders' poison from a cup does the trick.
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