Schitzofrenia and Model-A

[Slava]

Does anyone have any theories regarding type dynamics and causes of schitzofrenia?

I suspect it has something to do with internal conflict between opposing functions. It may also be related to actualization of ones own internal mechanics and letting go of perceived reality, but I am not certain of this.

[tcaudilllg]

Psychotic disorders (like schizophrenia) can emerge as defense mechanisms in id-block undifferentiated individuals. Model-A doesn't consider the possibility of undifferentiation in the psyche, so it is unable to include psychotic disorders in its range of phenomena.

[Slava]

Would it be similar in any way to the overthrow of a government by an opposing quadra?

Like in V for Vendetta :wink:

I would conider The Church of Scientology to be americas ID in a way.


So I guess ENTJ's can make me schitzofrenic.

[Rocky]

http://the16types.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4506

[Hugo]

Oh Slava, you are back after taking full credit for one of the tests that I created.

http://www.voltsamps.com/upload/sociontest.php

http://the16types.info/forums/viewto...ighlight=slava

http://the16types.info/forums/viewto...ighlight=slava

[Slava]

Hey now! I was making that test for you like you asked, but never got done with it. Sorry about that.

[Dioklecian]

Does anyone have any theories regarding type dynamics and causes of schitzofrenia?

I suspect it has something to do with internal conflict between opposing functions. It may also be related to actualization of ones own internal mechanics and letting go of perceived reality, but I am not certain of this.

Hi Slava, does this topic interest you?

I think that I have traces of schizoprenic behaviour due to my upringing. Extreme emotional control was exerted on me without hope of letting go and with extreme threats being made to my very survival. I t proved too much and a prat of my brain cracked, I can point these things with pinpoint accuracy in both time and physically in my head, I know the exact place in the brain where schizophrenia lies.

[Gilly]

Psychotic disorders (like schizophrenia) can emerge as defense mechanisms in id-block undifferentiated individuals. Model-A doesn't consider the possibility of undifferentiation in the psyche, so it is unable to include psychotic disorders in its range of phenomena.

I actually agree SOMEWHAT with TC on this.

[consentingadult]

Shizophrenia is a mental ILLNESS, not a disorder. I have never read anywhere of psychologists or psychiatrist stating that there is a relationship between mental illnesses and psychological or personality type, and I myself don't think there is. However, there does seem to be a relationship between psychological types and psychological DISORDERS, such as the Shizotypical and Shidzoid Personality Disorders. This site (the16types.info) mentions such relationships, although I have seen other relationships on other sites.

Theodore Millon (www.millon.net) is well known for his system of relationships between personality style and disorders.

[Dioklecian]

Shizophrenia is a mental ILLNESS, not a disorder. I have never read anywhere of psychologists or psychiatrist stating that there is a relationship between mental illnesses and psychological or personality type, and I myself don't think there is. However, there does seem to be a relationship between psychological types and psychological DISORDERS, such as the Shizotypical and Shidzoid Personality Disorders. This site (the16types.info) mentions such relationships, although I have seem other relationships on other sites.

Theodore Millon (www.millon.net) is well known for his system of relationships between personality style and disorders.

What do you think of Jon Nash?

As to schizophrenia as a disease, if stress continues for a long time it leaves permanent damage. I am reading a book on schizophrenia and they don't have physical cause for it.

[Rocky]

John Nash was a schizophrenic INTP. He started out with an IQ of 180, then when the illness hit, the cognitive affects harmed his IQ like it does with all schizos... and it went all the way down to 160!!!

[consentingadult]

What do you think of Jon Nash?

Who the hell is Jon Nash?

[Rocky]

A Beautiful Mind

[consentingadult]

Aha, joHn nash.What about him? He surely was schizophrenic, but what is it you are trying to say?

[Dioklecian]

John Nash was a schizophrenic INTP. He started out with an IQ of 180, then when the illness hit, the cognitive affects harmed his IQ like it does with all schizos... and it went all the way down to 160!!!

What caused the disease do you know?

[Dioklecian]

Aha, joHn nash.What about him? He surely was schizophrenic, but what is it you are trying to say?

NAsh's wife is ISFP, in my opinion that might have soemthing to do with that.

[consentingadult]

John Nash was a schizophrenic INTP.

I don't know if this statement makes sense: there might be a relationship between BEING INTP and having Schizoid or Schizotypical Personality Disorder. These two disorders have behavioural symptoms that can be seen in Schizophrenia as well. But the question is: is Nash indeed an INTP (by birth) or does he just look like an INTP, because he has schizophrenia? I think individuals with several mental illnesses are so overtaken by their illness, that it might completely overshadow their psychological type, which then besomes invisible.

[Dioklecian]

Of his son by Alicia -- Johnny Nash, also a schizophrenic mathematician who lives with his parents -- the elder Nash said, ''It's almost as if a demon might have passed from one host to another.''

The demon could be person perhaps? Isn't it strange that father and son are the same, with no apparent reason?

[consentingadult]

Aha, joHn nash.What about him? He surely was schizophrenic, but what is it you are trying to say?

NAsh's wife is ISFP, in my opinion that might have soemthing to do with that.

His wife? Are you saying she being ISFP and perhaps emotionally unstable has caused him getting schizophrenia?

She's the one that stood be him when other people deserted him. For crying out loud, I think she even remarried him after he got better! From the documenatries I've seen on him ( I haven't seen the movie) he owes her the world!

[Dioklecian]

John Nash was a schizophrenic INTP.

I don't know if this statement makes sense: there might be a relationship between BEING INTP and having Schizoid or Schizotypical Personality Disorder. These two disorders have behavioural symptoms that can be seen in Schizophrenia as well. But the question is: is Nash indeed an INTP (by birth) or does he just look like an INTP, because he has schizophrenia? I think individuals with several mental illnesses are so overtaken by their illness, that it might completely overshadow their psychological type, which then besomes invisible.

Nash seems INTP to me, he become schizophrenic in a clinical sense after marriage.

[Dioklecian]

Aha, joHn nash.What about him? He surely was schizophrenic, but what is it you are trying to say?

NAsh's wife is ISFP, in my opinion that might have soemthing to do with that.

His wife? Are you saying she being ISFP and perhaps emotionally unstable has caused him getting schizophrenia?

She's the one that stood be him when other people deserted him. For crying out loud, I think she even remarried him after he got better! From the documenatries I've seen on him ( I haven't seen the movie) he owes her the world!

You should marry an ISFP then She will save you for sure, eventually.

REad The Count of Monte Christo to see what ISFPs mean by "saving you".

[consentingadult]

Nash seems INTP to me, he become schizophrenic in a clinical sense after marriage.

What are your sources? I hope it's not just the movie, is it?

[Rocky]

John Nash was a schizophrenic INTP. He started out with an IQ of 180, then when the illness hit, the cognitive affects harmed his IQ like it does with all schizos... and it went all the way down to 160!!!

What caused the disease do you know?

Causes? Who really knows the cause? People get paid millions of dollars to find out that answer.

[Rocky]

John Nash was a schizophrenic INTP.

I don't know if this statement makes sense: there might be a relationship between BEING INTP and having Schizoid or Schizotypical Personality Disorder. These two disorders have behavioural symptoms that can be seen in Schizophrenia as well. But the question is: is Nash indeed an INTP (by birth) or does he just look like an INTP, because he has schizophrenia? I think individuals with several mental illnesses are so overtaken by their illness, that it might completely overshadow their psychological type, which then besomes invisible.

I'm not saying he's INTP because he's schizophrenic, I'm sayig he's INTP because he seemed INTP to begin with.

[consentingadult]

Causes? Who really knows the cause?

Well, already correlations have been demonstrated to a couple of genes. Now genes by themselves don't cause diseases, but apperently they are slowly putting the pieces of the answer together.

[Dioklecian]

John Nash was a schizophrenic INTP. He started out with an IQ of 180, then when the illness hit, the cognitive affects harmed his IQ like it does with all schizos... and it went all the way down to 160!!!

What caused the disease do you know?

Causes? Who really knows the cause? People get paid millions of dollars to find out that answer.

A pluck businees isn't it: they have been looking for it for a century or more and can't seem to find it? Why is that? Even the discovery of AIDS took only 10 or 20 years.

[Rocky]

The reasons it's so complicated is because schizophrenia attacks several parts of the brain, and it has a wide number of systems. They origianlly thought schizophrenia had something to do with dopamine, but now they're trying something else... I believe it's called glutamine or something like that...

[Dioklecian]

The reasons it's so complicated is because schizophrenia attacks several parts of the brain, and it has a wide number of systems. They origianlly thought schizophrenia had something to do with dopamine, but now they're trying something else... I believe it's called glutamine or something like that...

I know exactly what it has to do with, I think I said that I can pinpoint it in the brain. It has little per se to do with any specific hormone.

I am not showing off or anything, but as the most autistic person in this forum I can say more about these sort of thing than many.

[consentingadult]

The reasons it's so complicated is because schizophrenia attacks several parts of the brain, and it has a wide number of systems. They origianlly thought schizophrenia had something to do with dopamine, but now they're trying something else... I believe it's called glutamine or something like that...

I know exactly what it has to do with, I think I said that I can pinpoint it in the brain. It has little per se to do with any specific hormone.

Perhaps the fact that this is a little understood illness, is exactly the reason why we should refrain from trying to link it with personality typing. It's okay with personality disorders, because these are far better understood.

[Rocky]

The reasons it's so complicated is because schizophrenia attacks several parts of the brain, and it has a wide number of systems. They origianlly thought schizophrenia had something to do with dopamine, but now they're trying something else... I believe it's called glutamine or something like that...

I know exactly what it has to do with, I think I said that I can pinpoint it in the brain.

o rly?

Have you done MRIs or something on patients?

Then, enlighten me.

[Dioklecian]

The reasons it's so complicated is because schizophrenia attacks several parts of the brain, and it has a wide number of systems. They origianlly thought schizophrenia had something to do with dopamine, but now they're trying something else... I believe it's called glutamine or something like that...

I know exactly what it has to do with, I think I said that I can pinpoint it in the brain. It has little per se to do with any specific hormone.

Perhaps the fact that this is a little understood illness, is exactly the reason why we should refrain from trying to link it with personality typing. It's okay with personality disorders, because these are far better understood.

Well, Nash has been hospitalized forcefully as a schizophrenic. I had the same symptoms before, I am one too. He might not be INTP, I can't prove that. Could be INTJ, I don't know. But his symptoms and mine are very similar, but his are more severe.

[Dioklecian]

The reasons it's so complicated is because schizophrenia attacks several parts of the brain, and it has a wide number of systems. They origianlly thought schizophrenia had something to do with dopamine, but now they're trying something else... I believe it's called glutamine or something like that...

I know exactly what it has to do with, I think I said that I can pinpoint it in the brain.

o rly?

Have you done MRIs or something on patients?

Then, enlighten me.

Yup, I have done it on myself.

By the way, by schizophrenis I mean what John Nasg has, there might be other ailments people have that might be labelled schizophrenic, but I ma refering to John NAsh very specifically.

[Dioklecian]

PS: my game theory prof thought the same.