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    Police bad, prostitutes un-bad. Check. I take it you call prostitutes when your place got robbed, lecky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Police bad, prostitutes un-bad. Check.
    Police more 'bad' in terms of possible damage impact to society than prostitutes. I have in no way implied that prostitutes are un-bad.
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    The villain is everywhere <3
    "We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.".

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    Quote Originally Posted by leckysupport View Post
    Police more 'bad' in terms of possible damage impact to society than prostitutes. I have in no way implied that prostitutes are un-bad.
    Well, that's still somewhat subjective valuation process(?)

    Someone could deter from calling the pOlice seeing they're 'bad' and can do more damage than a prostitute, and call a prostitute to investigate the crime scene instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Well, that's still somewhat subjective valuation process(?)
    The idea of police having an enormous possible negative effect on society while prostitutes have comparatively less is subjective?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tackk View Post
    butts
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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    I respect butts.
    Butts are respectable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Villain View Post
    Butts are respectable.
    All of these things: admirable, appropriate, august, becoming, befitting, comely, conforming, correct, creditable, decent, decorous, dignified, done, estimable, fair, honorable, modest, nice, ordinary, passable, presentable, proper, redoubtable, redoubted, reputable, reputed, respected, satisfactory, seemly, sublime, suitable, tolerable, upright, venerable, virtuous, well-thought-of and worthy. Butts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leckysupport View Post
    The idea of police having an enormous possible negative effect on society while prostitutes have comparatively less is subjective?

    Prostitution can even be increased by the actions of police.
    That effect you speak of is not the fault of the police. Someone "put them there" in the first place, for a reason. Seems to me you're not a fan of social contract theories ( I think there are eleven), cool. Can you point towards something you agree with?

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    Absurd, you're on a roll today. What's gotten into you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    That effect you speak of is not the fault of the police.Someone "put them there" in the first place, for a reason. Seems to me you're not a fan of social contract theories ( I think there are eleven), cool. Can you point towards something you agree with?
    I'm not questioning social contract theory or anything that fancy. I'm simply talking about the highest possible damage that can be inflicted on society by two groups, and saying that the group that has the capacity to inflict the most damage can sometimes forms social mechanisms to avoid damage to said society, and one way of doing this through honor.

    Also from a moral stand point if you neglect or encourage something 'bad' it is your fault regardless of who told you to do it/elected you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Villain View Post
    Absurd, you're on a roll today. What's gotten into you?
    Myself, the Sun and Porter. Holy Trinity.

    Quote Originally Posted by leckysupport View Post
    I'm not questioning social contract theory or anything that fancy. I'm simply talking about the highest possible damage that can be inflicted on society by two groups, and saying that the group that has the capacity to inflict the most damage can sometimes forms social mechanisms to avoid damage to said society, and one way of doing this through honor.
    Ehh, that means you won't call a honourable prostitute to diminish the dishonuor of a dishonourable policeman and you won't let her cuff the culprit. Okay. Groups are formed by people though and not all of them form a group, so talk about honour is quite elitist and pointing towards certain traits of character, like Himmler's " My honour is my loyalty."

    I doubt you're going to bite on a cyanide capsule, though.

    Also from a moral stand point if you neglect or encourage something 'bad' it is your fault regardless of who told you to do it/elected you.
    And if I don't? Is it still "bad"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    What the fuck are you talking about?
    Are you not capable of understanding english? See I understand the point your getting across is you don't care but what really confuses me is why you would ask this question to me then, so I'm assuming its because you lack the ability to properly understand english or maybe my punctuation wasn't clear or something similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squirreltual View Post
    Yes, because they are a group. So of course they collectively wield more power. People in this thread seem to be talking about prostitutes as self-employed, empowered women. For me this doesn't even get close to the reality of prostitution which is more about human trafficking gangs, which of course are harmful - yes even in countries where prostitution is legalised - more so according to studies actually. Globalisation is a twat in many respects. It's not honorable to be human trafficked.

    So then we're talking about a minority of prostitutes being "good prostitutes" vs. the minority of police being "bad police". Maybe ideally you'd prefer global anarchy? How achievable does that seem? It's really easy to diss them to feel oh so cool and liberal and I've almost certainly done it Maybe I'm just in a bad mood because I'm hungry but I feel most of this thread in no way reflects reality and grrrr... HIV anyone???
    Several posters dont seem to escape their idealizations of either prostitutes or police. Don't expect this group to be at all worldly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heath View Post
    Several posters dont seem to escape their idealizations of either prostitutes or police. Don't expect this group to be at all worldly.
    Actually it seems to me they're men of the world and they know what sad shape the world is in.

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    Well, if I was a fan of linearity; I might have found this questions interesting ...Now that you all seem to be done; I'll give my take on it.

    I'll give a military police take ...police is police:

    The Army Values are ingrained into every soldier; if you don't adhere to them, you're not a real soldier. Perspective!
    LOYALTY
    Bear true faith and allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, the Army, your unit and other Soldiers. Bearing true faith and allegiance is a matter of believing in and devoting yourself to something or someone. A loyal Soldier is one who supports the leadership and stands up for fellow Soldiers. By wearing the uniform of the U.S. Army you are expressing your loyalty. And by doing your share, you show your loyalty to your unit.
    DUTY
    Fulfill your obligations. Doing your duty means more than carrying out your assigned tasks. Duty means being able to accomplish tasks as part of a team. The work of the U.S. Army is a complex combination of missions, tasks and responsibilities — all in constant motion. Our work entails building one assignment onto another. You fulfill your obligations as a part of your unit every time you resist the temptation to take “shortcuts” that might undermine the integrity of the final product.
    RESPECT
    Treat people as they should be treated. In the Soldier’s Code, we pledge to “treat others with dignity and respect while expecting others to do the same.” Respect is what allows us to appreciate the best in other people. Respect is trusting that all people have done their jobs and fulfilled their duty. And self-respect is a vital ingredient with the Army value of respect, which results from knowing you have put forth your best effort. The Army is one team and each of us has something to contribute.
    SELFLESS SERVICE
    Put the welfare of the nation, the Army and your subordinates before your own. Selfless service is larger than just one person. In serving your country, you are doing your duty loyally without thought of recognition or gain. The basic building block of selfless service is the commitment of each team member to go a little further, endure a little longer, and look a little closer to see how he or she can add to the effort.
    HONOR
    Live up to Army values. The nation’s highest military award is The Medal of Honor. This award goes to Soldiers who make honor a matter of daily living — Soldiers who develop the habit of being honorable, and solidify that habit with every value choice they make. Honor is a matter of carrying out, acting, and living the values of respect, duty, loyalty, selfless service, integrity and personal courage in everything you do.
    INTEGRITY
    Do what’s right, legally and morally. Integrity is a quality you develop by adhering to moral principles. It requires that you do and say nothing that deceives others. As your integrity grows, so does the trust others place in you. The more choices you make based on integrity, the more this highly prized value will affect your relationships with family and friends, and, finally, the fundamental acceptance of yourself.
    PERSONAL COURAGE
    Face fear, danger or adversity (physical or moral). Personal courage has long been associated with our Army. With physical courage, it is a matter of enduring physical duress and at times risking personal safety. Facing moral fear or adversity may be a long, slow process of continuing forward on the right path, especially if taking those actions is not popular with others. You can build your personal courage by daily standing up for and acting upon the things that you know are honorable.

    Now, be it a birthday party or a war; I prefer my boat filled with this over prostitutes, but forgive me because I'm not familiar with hooker training I'm certain that a great deal of them are nice people though

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    In general I would say prostitute, but they can taze you and extort your money too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by squirreltual View Post
    Yes, because they are a group. So of course they collectively wield more power. People in this thread seem to be talking about prostitutes as self-employed, empowered women. For me this doesn't even get close to the reality of prostitution which is more about human trafficking gangs, which of course are harmful - yes even in countries where prostitution is legalised - more so according to studies actually. Globalisation is a twat in many respects. It's not honorable to be human trafficked.

    So then we're talking about a minority of prostitutes being "good prostitutes" vs. the minority of police being "bad police". Maybe ideally you'd prefer global anarchy? How achievable does that seem? It's really easy to diss them to feel oh so cool and liberal and I've almost certainly done it Maybe I'm just in a bad mood because I'm hungry but I feel most of this thread in no way reflects reality and grrrr... HIV anyone???
    Prostitutes aren't empowered in that sense it's easier to deal with a prostitute as they can do very little to you. As a service provider they can be viewed the same way as a maid or a hairdresser in the economic side of things. Their pimp is another matter.

    The police wield power so just about everything you do can be used against you, so there will be a level of apprehension in that interaction.

    The problem of prostitution isn't prostitutes it's the demand for them is greater than the supply of women who are willing to work as prostitutes. That supply and demand gap for cheap prostitutes is being fulfilled by human trafficking. Prostitution isn't a victim-less crime in my opinion so it should be punished, but not the victims, who are generally the prostitutes themselves. The johns/customers are the one that need to be punished for "possibly" victimizing the prostitutes, the pimps should be punished for human trafficking. Generally the only "innocent" victims in this industry are the prostitutes. A pimp and a john are people who engage in the practice entirely of their volition and thus they cannot be viewed as victims.

    This won't end the problem, but it would punish the right people and not the victims. There will be semi-legal escort services that skirt the law regardless of the legality of prostitution itself.

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    I'd like to see everyone who said Prostitute actually put their money where their mouth is and whore themselves out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    I'd like to see everyone who said Prostitute actually put their money where their mouth is and whore themselves out.
    Oh I'm totally dishonorable, why I make a good cop. ^_^;

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    Prostitution isn't that dishonorable if you use a condom. Also, I've contracted AIDs twice from a prostitute and a policewoman I slept with. So don't y'all act like anyone's farts smells better.

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    So, like....those that chose prostitution, you'd rather date a prostitute than a police officer? This is pissing me off for some reason. COME ON PEOPLE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    So, like....those that chose prostitution, you'd rather date a prostitute than a police officer? This is pissing me off for some reason. COME ON PEOPLE.
    Depends who's hotter. I'd take what I can get though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    So, like....those that chose prostitution, you'd rather date a prostitute than a police officer? This is pissing me off for some reason. COME ON PEOPLE.
    I think the question is more about who do you think has more integrity and is more ethically in the clear than who you'd rather date, which is complicated by the influence of public opinion (society holds policefolk in greater esteem than prostitutes, regardless of how one behaves), the fetishization of power, monetary concerns (a cop probably has a higher standard of living than most prostitutes), and the fact that a prostitutes generally are more vulnerable to STDs by the nature of their profession.
    "How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
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    Another consideration is that a policewoman comes (pun intended) with her own handcuffs.

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    Prostitute. It's an honest profession. Police are simply government thugs who produce nothing and contribute nothing of any value to society in their capacity as a police agent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capitalist Pig View Post
    Police are simply government thugs who produce nothing and contribute nothing of any value to society in their capacity as a police agent.
    What about security personnel from a private firm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pa3s View Post
    What about security personnel from a private firm?
    That's different. Their supply is generated by a tangible demand in an honest market. In which case, the more honorable profession is determined in a realm of individual values. I think it's difficult to objectively assert which profession has more utility in this regard.

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    I posed this question to Ashton and he caved so I now ask you all, who is the first person you'd call in a life or death situation to come save you if you could not defend yourself? I mean, honestly. If you came home and saw your house was robbed? How can you possibly say police are pointless? Even asshole cops who pull you over for speeding have a purpose. This bothers me.

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    A lot of the morons on this forum don't understand that some law and order is required to minimise the impact of the externalities of some individuals behaviours on other individuals by limiting the excesses of certain behaviours in a transparent and even way.

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    The professions of the policeman give way towards a greater responsibility towards how they should enforce the law. A corrupt police force will bring about dishonor in the name of their country, and the people will suffer whenever they aren't put up to a rigorous standard above the populace they are going to police and monitor. Whoring in itself is morally neutral in my eyes, and thus the honor and the dishonor that the prostitute accumulates will largely be apart of her character. The profession of whoring, will unlikely be tainted by their misbehavior, nor will their good deeds bring support as well.

    Thus is the reason why I chose the policeman to be more honorable. I am taking into account that both parties have the maximum amount of anatomy, due to a later post here that reminded me that a good lot of the prostitutes are the victims of human trafficking.

    This post is also coming from a person who is distrustful of the police in many cases.

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    I have another question for those that are hating on police, which one would you want your son or daughter to become? lol answer that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    I have another question for those that are hating on police, which one would you want your son or daughter to become? lol answer that one.
    Whichever makes her/him happier. I avoid taking stances on my (so far non-existent) children's occupational choices, although I might want to advice them on their chosen path.
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    I'm all for children becoming their own person but i'd beat the hell out of them if they ever became a prostitute. And i'd beat them hard.

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    I'd honestly not want them to be either a whore or a pig. So neither option would be a good one really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    I have another question for those that are hating on police, which one would you want your son or daughter to become? lol answer that one.
    I wouldn't want my child to be a prostitute, because that'll likely mean they're being victimized and abused. It has little to do with honor and more with welfare of my child. But I wouldn't blame them if they were human trafficked and put into sexual slavery. However if my child was a corrupt police officer, that would be a major problem for me. I would disown them and such. I have no problem if my child was a good police officer. I also would never let my child get into a financial situation where prostitution was a viable option, I would support them so they would not have to engage in that practice. People aren't exactly lining up to be prostitutes.

    A lot of prostitutes were also raped/abused by their parents or a relative. In third world countries often female/male children are sold into prostitution by their parents. I kinda of think those parents wanted their children to be prostitutes....

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    I don't see either occupation as more or less honorable. They are both service-oriented positions within the community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    I'm all for children becoming their own person but i'd beat the hell out of them if they ever became a prostitute. And i'd beat them hard.
    I like where this is going. (;

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