What's my type exactly?

[Beautiful sky]

From what you've said, it seems like my Te is conditioned by Ni. I do what you do. But then I relate so much to the LSE descriptions?

Do you ignore your physical self? I'm not talking about nourishing your body with food, I'm talking about the mental consumption of things to do to the point where basic "rest" and recuperation are out of view. Like physically being guided where your thoughts take you. They are both "flighty" and "impulsive" and lost in the "dynamic" world and both are dynamic types. One is actually more in touch with their sensate part, "nice food, good wine, kind of like gluttonous;" LSE are hush hush about their tactics; if they want to get people on their side, they will follow that person around and make out their behavior and change themselves to mimic that person's self so that they can be more effective at establishing bonds where an LIE will say something like " next time I'll be more proactive in getting the people on my side." LIE reveal their plans and aren't as concerned about how that makes them look; some may interpret the above as "manipulative", and LSE will be more concerned about being labeled those things because they want so much to fit in and be liked.


From knowing that I, Maritsa, am an empathetic person, who is concerned and cares for people, an advantage taking LSE can pretty much take advantage of me, all they have to do is appeal to my instinct to want to be there for them and to help them; extremely manipulative, yet they will never reveal their goal or intentions to anyone; how do they do this, they send me messages of "I'm so sad" and I say "why? what can I do to help." and they tell me about their financial troubles and the like and they say, in repeated and continuous tone "I just need this much money." Me being me, this can be especially hard to pass up especially if I love and care about the welfare of that person, who now I've made and established a bond with. They can be complete ass holes.

My purpose is best met in a dual relationship where an LSE is mindful, protective, loving, concerned and caring. Otherwise they are just users.

LSE contradict themselves a lot but have consistent behavior; LIE contradict themselves but have inconsistent behavior.

Are you able to easily incorporate many forecasts into your view of the future?

The best example of this is that;

LSE are able to generate many ideas about what to do, as just ideas; they can come up with a tremendous number of ideas, as suggestions, but what they will do relies on what is going on in the immediate moment; this makes being with an LSE somewhat unpredictable and very difficult partners. My ex "tried to predict" from watching me ask him to eat brussels sprouts that he interpreted this as a trend of controlling behavior, but he still doesn't understand that that was an immediate stressful response to what was going on in my life at that moment...that's really extreme Ni PoLR and very paranoid behavior, but he also has a mental disorder, so that's not going to be too surprising, since in A NORMAL person, they would be willing to discuss things and actually understand.

[Beautiful sky]

Can you memorize a great deal of information or does this info turn into a general idea, the gist of what's going on?

[Name13]

Do you ignore your physical self? I'm not talking about nourishing your body with food, I'm talking about the mental consumption of things to do to the point where basic "rest" and recuperation are out of view. Like physically being guided where your thoughts take you. They are both "flighty" and "impulsive" and lost in the "dynamic" world and both are dynamic types. One is actually more in touch with their sensate part, "nice food, good wine, kind of like gluttonous;" LSE are hush hush about their tactics; if they want to get people on their side, they will follow that person around and make out their behavior and change themselves to mimic that person's self so that they can be more effective at establishing bonds where an LIE will say something like " next time I'll be more proactive in getting the people on my side." LIE reveal their plans and aren't as concerned about how that makes them look; some may interpret the above as "manipulative", and LSE will be more concerned about being labeled those things because they want so much to fit in and be liked.


From knowing that I, Maritsa, am an empathetic person, who is concerned and cares for people, an advantage taking LSE can pretty much take advantage of me, all they have to do is appeal to my instinct to want to be there for them and to help them; extremely manipulative, yet they will never reveal their goal or intentions to anyone; how do they do this, they send me messages of "I'm so sad" and I say "why? what can I do to help." and they tell me about their financial troubles and the like and they say, in repeated and continuous tone "I just need this much money." Me being me, this can be especially hard to pass up especially if I love and care about the welfare of that person, who now I've made and established a bond with. They can be complete ass holes.

My purpose is best met in a dual relationship where an LSE is mindful, protective, loving, concerned and caring. Otherwise they are just users.

LSE contradict themselves a lot but have consistent behavior; LIE contradict themselves but have inconsistent behavior.

Are you able to easily incorporate many forecasts into your view of the future?

The best example of this is that;

LSE are able to generate many ideas about what to do, as just ideas; they can come up with a tremendous number of ideas, as suggestions, but what they will do relies on what is going on in the immediate moment; this makes being with an LSE somewhat unpredictable and very difficult partners. My ex "tried to predict" from watching me ask him to eat brussels sprouts that he interpreted this as a trend of controlling behavior, but he still doesn't understand that that was an immediate stressful response to what was going on in my life at that moment...that's really extreme Ni PoLR and very paranoid behavior, but he also has a mental disorder, so that's not going to be too surprising, since in A NORMAL person, they would be willing to discuss things and actually understand.

To an extent. In that case, I'd resemble an LSE more. I'm not very obvious about my intentions with people. I've lead people on before by not coming out and telling them what I wanted them for (goals, fun, etc.) I don't care too much about being liked and fitting in for the sake of it though, I realize that having connections leads to success. If I alienate people, that wouldn't be possible.

That seems terrible. I wouldn't say I'm much of a user as I have around 60-70 moral rules which keep me under control.

I think I'm able to do that. I can generate ideas but it's not my best quality and I nearly never focus on the immediate moment. I don't think I'm unpredictable at all. Must have been frustrating. How did you deal with it?

[Name13]

Can you memorize a great deal of information or does this info turn into a general idea, the gist of what's going on?

I hate memorizing information but yeah, I'd say I do the latter. Whenever I learn something, I immediately turn it into a goal.

[tejing]

I would assume from a theoretical standpoint that a would do plenty of planning for the future, but would do so precisely and specifically (), rather than by intuiting the flow of events ().

[Beautiful sky]

To an extent. In that case, I'd resemble an LSE more. I'm not very obvious about my intentions with people. I've lead people on before by not coming out and telling them what I wanted them for (goals, fun, etc.) I don't care too much about being liked and fitting in for the sake of it though, I realize that having connections leads to success. If I alienate people, that wouldn't be possible.

That seems terrible. I wouldn't say I'm much of a user as I have around 60-70 moral rules which keep me under control.

I think I'm able to do that. I can generate ideas but it's not my best quality and I nearly never focus on the immediate moment. I don't think I'm unpredictable at all. Must have been frustrating. How did you deal with it?

I think you're LSE because you listen to and follow my discussions very well, and you're less flighty; it doesn't take me more energy than usual to get you to respond. I'm glad you follow good moral boundaries/principles; it helps you be a better person, when especially you can introspect and look at the situation from your and other's pov, and not just lash out like an irrational child.

I broke up with him. I had to; he's cruel and plays little jokes where he puts me in the offensive, but he knows that I'm not an offensive person; that I'm defensive; I will try to explain myself using rationality and that doesn't work when someone is intentionally being mean to you. The nicest person in the world is one who when planning on breaking up with someone, which is what he was doing with me when I went to visit him, doesn't accept gifts which he did, that was another manipulative tactic of his. Get the most you can while you can.

[Beautiful sky]

I hate memorizing information but yeah, I'd say I do the latter. Whenever I learn something, I immediately turn it into a goal.

That may be a habit, out of need for a practical endeavor for practical end, which, like you said, your goal is to be successful. Now, for the sake of discussion, because, as you can see, I do love it; have you considered SLI? And, what about that typing doesn't match with you?

[Name13]

I think you're LSE because you listen to and follow my discussions very well, and you're less flighty; it doesn't take me more energy than usual to get you to respond. I'm glad you follow good moral boundaries/principles; it helps you be a better person, when especially you can introspect and look at the situation from your and other's pov, and not just lash out like an irrational child.

I broke up with him. I had to; he's cruel and plays little jokes where he puts me in the offensive, but he knows that I'm not an offensive person; that I'm defensive; I will try to explain myself using rationality and that doesn't work when someone is intentionally being mean to you. The nicest person in the world is one who when planning on breaking up with someone, which is what he was doing with me when I went to visit him, doesn't accept gifts which he did, that was another manipulative tactic of his. Get the most you can while you can.

I see. I don't think I'm flighty at all really. All my past friends have called me reliable and helpful. Thanks and I agree. Lashing out is immature and somewhat pathetic IMO.

Why would he do that? Wow that's low of him.

[Beautiful sky]

I see. I don't think I'm flighty at all really. All my past friends have called me reliable and helpful. Thanks and I agree. Lashing out is immature and somewhat pathetic IMO.

Why would he do that? Wow that's low of him.

He didn't lash out, that was just an example, what he does instead is if you don't give him what he wants in the way that he wants it, he will turn cold, out of selfishness, will reject me, push me away, become cold, unresponsive and distant as a form of punishment for not being there with him on his choices. It's just plain selfishness and the childish part is not being properly communicative. As in "I feel that we should discuss this, why do you feel that this needs to happen?" etc.

I honestly don't think, at this moment, that he can help it; he has a serious mental disorder; he can't bring himself to be nice, bring himself to be normal.

[Beautiful sky]

I don't really feel much most of the time so while it can be a good thing, it can bite me in the back since I'm not entirely sure of what motivates me, what I feel, etc. I would be much better at branding myself if I could get in touch with my feelings and channel them. Some people do, though some people perceive me as a very warm person because one of my moral rules is to help people as much as I possibly can. I definitely am. I live for my goals.

May we please discuss this?

I find it interesting that you say that you don't feel much. So you don't see something like being successful a motivator? I'm not sure I understand how you say that you're not in touch with your feelings; if you would please elaborate on that.

[Name13]

That may be a habit, out of need for a practical endeavor for practical end, which, like you said, your goal is to be successful. Now, for the sake of discussion, because, as you can see, I do love it; have you considered SLI? And, what about that typing doesn't match with you?

I'm reading the description right now and it fits me somewhat well. I don't identify with these things:

"SLIs are usually not very gregarious and have difficulty establishing new interpersonal connections."

I don't have much trouble making connections with others, I just don't care about them much.

"SLIs can tend towards an overly bland and conservative lifestyle. They often lack spontaneity and may exhibit the sentiment that something is missing and that little in their lives is novel and interesting."

Hmm I wouldn't say that's true although I would say that my lifestyle's structured. I love having fun and exploring hobbies/subjects as long as I get something done.

"SLIs do not spend much time in fantasy worlds or inside their own heads, instead preferring to focus on the richness of their physical experience."

I don't care about either. What's the use of living in a fantasy world or experiencing things? Although I do lean towards the latter.

"They are usually relaxed and sensibly avoid excess speculation, but at times can appear bland, overly narrowly minded, or inaccessible."

I am definitely not a relaxed person. I constantly have an agenda and I'm always focusing on completing some task.

" They have a tendency to explore and pay attention to their surroundings and sometimes naturally know what is located where."

I can actually be really oblivious when it comes to my surroundings.

[Name13]

May we please discuss this?

I find it interesting that you say that you don't feel much. So you don't see something like being successful a motivator? I'm not sure I understand how you say that you're not in touch with your feelings; if you would please elaborate on that.

Sure. Hmm I would say that being successful is a motivator but I'm not too emotionally attached to my goals. If I fail at something (which is rare because I try my best to accomplish any of my goals), I'm not too disappointed. I just pick some other goals to accomplish. There's no use crying over spilled milk. I always feel like there's something I don't get when it comes to my feelings, like a missing puzzle piece or something similar.

[Beautiful sky]

I can actually be really oblivious when it comes to my surroundings.

How so?

Also, how do you arrange things in your home/living space?

[Name13]

He didn't lash out, that was just an example, what he does instead is if you don't give him what he wants in the way that he wants it, he will turn cold, out of selfishness, will reject me, push me away, become cold, unresponsive and distant as a form of punishment for not being there with him on his choices. It's just plain selfishness and the childish part is not being properly communicative. As in "I feel that we should discuss this, why do you feel that this needs to happen?" etc.

I honestly don't think, at this moment, that he can help it; he has a serious mental disorder; he can't bring himself to be nice, bring himself to be normal.

He sounds like a jerk but yeah, I'd agree with you there.

[Name13]

How so?

Also, how do you arrange things in your home/living space?

Like I don't remember how rooms are like when I first enter them, I don't notice a lot of things right in front of me, etc. For example, when I was growing up, I realized that there was a dishwasher in my house after living there for around 9 years.

I keep things neat and organized. I use a lot of labels, I knit/quilt curtains/pillows, create table decorations, etc. I also keep plants near the outside of my house.

[Beautiful sky]

Like I don't remember how rooms are like when I first enter them, I don't notice a lot of things right in front of me, etc. For example, when I was growing up, I realized that there was a dishwasher in my house after living there for around 9 years.

what do you look at when you enter them? so you could be an introvert

[Name13]

what do you look at when you enter them? so you could be an introvert

I focus on what I have to accomplish when I enter a room. Since I'm not actively trying to focus on my surroundings, I'm oblivious to it. It's possible.

[Beautiful sky]

I focus on what I have to accomplish when I enter a room. Since I'm not actively trying to focus on my surroundings, I'm oblivious to it. It's possible.

LSE have this amazing vision; they have the best periphery vision of probably all the types and the vision is oriented to things that get out of place.

I went on a date with an LSE a few years ago and we were walking; I was about to trip over a stone and walk into a tree. He was quick to flip me around and focus in a direction where I was walking safely and I said "I'm sorry, I can't see anything." He said, "I can see everything." And, that's just the way it is with them, their vision and view is quite extensive and broad.

Perhaps we're talking about two different things but can you relate that story at all?

[Name13]

LSE have this amazing vision; they have the best periphery vision of probably all the types and the vision is oriented to things that get out of place.

I went on a date with an LSE a few years ago and we were walking; I was about to trip over a stone and walk into a tree. He was quick to flip me around and focus in a direction where I was walking safely and I said "I'm sorry, I can't see anything." He said, "I can see everything." And, that's just the way it is with them, their vision and view is quite extensive and broad.

Perhaps we're talking about two different things but can you relate that story at all?

If I actively choose to focus on things that are going on around me, then I notice anything and everything. I can't relate to the story really. I'd be the kind of person who'd outright walk into a tree.

[Name13]

I'm still probably an LSE though even with my obliviousness.

[Beautiful sky]

I'm still probably an LSE though even with my obliviousness.

How about an Ethical type as opposed to a Logical?

[Name13]

How about an Ethical type as opposed to a Logical?

Why? Which type exactly?

[Name13]

I've recently been considering SEE.

[Absurd]

I've recently been considering SEE.

Try SEI. Me love you long time.

and LSE will be more concerned about being labeled those things because they want so much to fit in and be liked.

Lul.

[Words]

...Forgot to say, Absurd is NOT an LSE. That's a trolling behavior of his.

I wish I knew what this was then.

Since we're on the topic of derailing so i'm sure you couldn't mind, you are a refreshing blend of crazy at times Maritsa for me, at times.

@Name13, are you closer to finding your type? Is this thread helping you? I'm curious because I see this sort of backwards and forwards questioning as really reflecting a question and answer session which is much like a personality test. I never seen it help much before, and it's already 3 pages forward.

Maybe you could ride with what you get from the socionics tests, but if you take to many it goes into oblivion. Specific questions when you've got a rough idea might help, like is quadra I associate with mean anything or does it not etc because of such and such. I'd say just sort of go with whatever your associating with and you can prune it from there if need be once you've had more time to interact and analyse your interations with others in the real world and also got a better understanding of yourself and relate it to the functions etc (don't know if you do or don't have a good understanding), but remember it's a system which divides people into 16 categories basically, so if you get a massive bullseye hit it's pretty rare.

[Name13]

I wish I knew what this was then.

Since we're on the topic of derailing so i'm sure you couldn't mind, you are a refreshing blend of crazy at times Maritsa for me, at times.

@Name13, are you closer to finding your type? Is this thread helping you? I'm curious because I see this sort of backwards and forwards questioning as really reflecting a question and answer session which is much like a personality test. I never seen it help much before, and it's already 3 pages forward.

Maybe you could ride with what you get from the socionics tests, but if you take to many it goes into oblivion. Specific questions when you've got a rough idea might help, like is quadra I associate with mean anything or does it not etc because of such and such. I'd say just sort of go with whatever your associating with and you can prune it from there if need be once you've had more time to interact and analyse your interations with others in the real world and also got a better understanding of yourself and relate it to the functions etc (don't know if you do or don't have a good understanding), but remember it's a system which divides people into 16 categories basically, so if you get a massive bullseye hit it's pretty rare.

I think so. I'm probably SLI now that I think about it but I'm not too sure. I always get INFp or INTp on socionics tests and I'm fairly sure that's not accurate. Oh okay, thanks for the advice!

[Absurd]

I think so. I'm probably SLI now that I think about it but I'm not too sure.

Probably? Think?

I always get INFp or INTp on socionics tests and I'm fairly sure that's not accurate. Oh okay, thanks for the advice!

Lul.

[Name13]

Probably? Think?



Lul.

Lol yes and yeah, I seriously doubt I'm either one of those types.

[Beautiful sky]

Lol yes and yeah, I seriously doubt I'm either one of those types.

why do you doubt being LSE? do you need motivation (the impetus to act)?

[Absurd]

Lol yes and yeah, I seriously doubt I'm either one of those types.

How the heck you score your conflictor/supervisor on a test, a test that you want to come out LSE is hilarious, at least to me.

You self-type LSE apparently but consider SEE, SLI, IEI and ILI...

[InvisibleJim]

You self-type LSE apparently but consider SEE, SLI, IEI and ILI...

I'm glad we have 'exactly' typed this delta/gamma/beta/alpha.

[Absurd]

I'm glad we have 'exactly' typed this delta/gamma/beta/alpha.

And I'm glad you welcome him(?) in your quadra.

[InvisibleJim]

And I'm glad you welcome him(?) in your quadra.

The gamma quadra is a welcoming quadra (just sign here, and here and here and follow the specifications exactly thanks).

[Absurd]

The gamma quadra is a welcoming quadra (just sign here, and here and here and follow the specifications exactly thanks).

[Name13]

I'm confused.

[Name13]

why do you doubt being LSE? do you need motivation (the impetus to act)?

Could you explain this?

[Absurd]

Just wait until I unleash Project Absurd on nothing suspecting populace of remaining quadras. Confusion is going to vanish immediately and Maritsa inquired whether or not you're LIE (any other victim).

[Name13]

Just wait until I unleash Project Absurd on nothing suspecting populace of remaining quadras. Confusion is going to vanish immediately and Maritsa inquired whether or not you're LIE (any other victim).

What

[Beautiful sky]

Could you explain this?

Well, I believe that both delta ST need varying degrees of motivation, which is supplied by delta NF types. One is lazier, more about results and the other is patient, process type.

[Name13]

Well, I believe that both delta ST need varying degrees of motivation, which is supplied by delta NF types. One is lazier, more about results and the other is patient, process type.

I'm more about results.