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    strategizing and manipulative and cunning and good at evading accountability. when your strengths involve seeing beneath the surface and three steps ahead, of course this is how it will pan out.

    i want to be wrong. tell me why i'm wrong.
    (" i'm Ni ego and i'm not shady" isn't convincing)

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    nothing is type related, therefore being shady is not type related. qed.

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    the Ni egos that i know are not shady.i mean it's kinda funny when they act shady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiss View Post
    nothing is type related, therefore being shady is not type related. qed.
    infinite wisdom

    Quote Originally Posted by the16types View Post
    the Ni egos that i know are not shady.i mean it's kinda funny when they act shady.
    elaborate

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    Will the real Slim Shady please stand up?

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    In which part of their life? It doesn't apply all around imho. (at least to me. It may apply to a part of my working life, for example, but I won't evade accountability - just try to plan and avoid unnecessary workload)
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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    strategizing and manipulative and cunning and good at evading accountability
    BnD.

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    Can you elaborate @lungs ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    In which part of their life? It doesn't apply all around imho. (at least to me. It may apply to a part of my working life, for example, but I won't evade accountability - just try to plan and avoid unnecessary workload)
    so maybe i should be thinking less about ability and more about inclination. any type can fuck you over so it just comes down to who to trust anyway.

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    Can you elaborate @lungs ?
    i went to the movies on easter and saw this cute cartoon and there was this scene where this girl was finding her way out of a cave and this boy who was more experienced was sitting up higher and dropping flowers. and she was chasing after each flower as it dropped and they were leading her out. and then she brought him one of the flowers and was like "hey you dropped this," all oblivious. and he smiled and was happy that she didn't know. and maybe if he'd grabbed her hand and told her he knew the way out, she wouldn't have listened. or it wouldn't have been as cute.

    i liked the scene. but the thing that gets me is: he just as easily could have dropped the flowers in a pattern that led her to a dangerous animal. and then shrugged and said, "oops, i dropped it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    i went to the movies on easter and saw this cute cartoon and there was this scene where this girl was finding her way out of a cave and this boy who was more experienced was sitting up higher and dropping flowers. and she was chasing after each flower as it dropped and they were leading her out. and then she brought him one of the flowers and was like "hey you dropped this," all oblivious. and he smiled and was happy that she didn't know. and maybe if he'd grabbed her hand and told her he knew the way out, she wouldn't have listened. or it wouldn't have been as cute.

    i liked the scene. but the thing that gets me is: he just as easily could have dropped the flowers in a pattern that led her to a dangerous animal. and then shrugged and said, "oops, i dropped it."
    So the question is one of intent rather than one of capability. Do you understand why many Ni egos tend to focus on the actions taken by people to try to understand their intent regardless of what they might say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    So the question is one of intent rather than one of capability.
    i guess. or maybe its more how to avoid getting eaten by a tiger.
    i don't really think i'm oblivious to flower-dropping. but i'm less skilled at gauging where they lead. but maybe that's just a matter of being smart about people and trusting my instincts regardless of type. if there are insights that could be derived from typology, though, that would be neat.

    Do you understand why many Ni egos tend to focus on the actions taken by people to try to understand their intent regardless of what they might say?
    sure, but doesn't anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    sure, but doesn't anyone?
    I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    I guess.
    lol, but where were you going with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    so maybe i should be thinking less about ability and more about inclination. any type can fuck you over so it just comes down to who to trust anyway.
    yar. choosing to put your trust in someone is kind of what makes them special. You don't walk up to a stranger and give them your address and the keys to your house. You don't open up to everyone and trust everyone, and that's not out of cynicism or being jaded - it's simple survival. It's how we're wired. Although some people aren't - interesting story here: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/friendl...ry?id=13795416

    Anyway, so when you choose to trust someone - that's different, it's special and it means something. You allow them access to hurt you if they choose, and there's nothing wrong with being selective about who gets that privilege.

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    I, for one, think this is the cutest reason for making a thread ever.

    What movie was this?


    I'm probably a hugely frustrating person because I'd be suspicious of a random stranger telling me which way to go and of flower petals. because I am an ANIMAL.
    so I'd probably sit there for a long time wondering what in the hell to do.

    I think Ni can be super helpful. and frustrating. (and shady)
    I also think Ne can be kinda helpful and even more frustrating. (and shady)

    people r weird.
    weird.

    and everyone has their motivations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackburry View Post
    I, for one, think this is the cutest reason for making a thread ever.
    asdfjlkasjfaskldjfasklj!!!

    What movie was this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    yar. choosing to put your trust in someone is kind of what makes them special. You don't walk up to a stranger and give them your address and the keys to your house. You don't open up to everyone and trust everyone, and that's not out of cynicism or being jaded - it's simple survival. It's how we're wired. Although some people aren't - interesting story here: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/friendl...ry?id=13795416

    Anyway, so when you choose to trust someone - that's different, it's special and it means something. You allow them access to hurt you if they choose, and there's nothing wrong with being selective about who gets that privilege.
    i dunno if this was meant as a general rule of thumb or directed at me, but i don't usually trust everyone. maybe too much online because of the illusion of anonymity so it could seem that way. but even in this thread i'm hiding behind metaphors lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    i dunno if this was meant as a general rule of thumb or directed at me, but i don't usually trust everyone. maybe too much online because of the illusion of anonymity so it could seem that way. but even in this thread i'm hiding behind metaphors lol.
    You're not hiding - you're just anchored in concrete.

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    If you are looking up at the sky and someone is throwing crumbs in your general direction, it is okay to blow some smoke up their ass and move on. That's Ni in a nutshell. Its benignly skipping some steps, sometimes. It doesn't have to be inherently manipulative. Not everyone gets you, but the ones that do, matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    i dunno if this was meant as a general rule of thumb or directed at me, but i don't usually trust everyone. maybe too much online because of the illusion of anonymity so it could seem that way. but even in this thread i'm hiding behind metaphors lol.
    Just agreeing with you that it's not about Ni ego, but about who you choose to trust - and expanding slightly on that idea. Iow, you don't have to be particularly wary of Ni egos - just give them the same usual scrutiny you'd give anyone else - no justification needed.

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    Lungs makes me feel sort of hated sometimes. haha

    Just because you think Korpsy is an asshole doesn't mean I have to be an asshole. I don't even understand this sneakiness that you're talking about. It seems pretty pointless.

    Also: I really liked the Croods. haha But I didn't think he was leading her out of the cave with the flowers. She came out of the cave and was sort of admiring the scenery or something and then he started dropping petals and she seemed sort of in awe of her surroundings and he seemed pleased that he could create that image for her. It was supposed to be romantic! lolz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scapegrace View Post
    Lungs makes me feel sort of hated sometimes. haha

    Just because you think Korpsy is an asshole doesn't mean I have to be an asshole. I don't even understand this sneakiness that you're talking about. It seems pretty pointless.
    i obviously don't hate you but i don't know what you're doing here. i have been confused about who i can trust here when i think that some of it was kind of obvious and other people acted like it wasn't. but you weren't one of them because you weren't around until later. so then there's wondering if i'm losing my mind on top of being really hurt and confused and since korpsy has no problem talking about me in irc and tinychat for the laughs i don't think its inappropriate for me to talk about him here for reasons that have to do with working out my feelings and understanding of reality and not just for the laughs. i don't mention him explicitly because this is about working out my own understanding and not about rehashing things with him and he doesn't deserve the respect involved in not using him for that purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    i obviously don't hate you but i don't know what you're doing here. i have been confused about who i can trust here when i think that some of it was kind of obvious and other people acted like it wasn't. but you weren't one of them because you weren't around until later. so then there's wondering if i'm losing my mind on top of being really hurt and confused and since korpsy has no problem talking about me in irc and tinychat for the laughs i don't think its inappropriate for me to talk about him here for reasons that have to do with working out my feelings and understanding of reality and not just for the laughs. i don't mention him explicitly because this is about working out my own understanding and not about rehashing things with him and he doesn't deserve the respect involved in not using him for that purpose.
    What?

    I feel like I'm getting the brunt of something that has *nothing* to do with me. You know I was only semi-serious, right? I don't actually think you dislike me. I thought we we're going to be bull dykes together.

    I don't care if y'all talk about one another. That's what happens when things go sour between two people. Ideally not, but it usually does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    i obviously don't hate you but i don't know what you're doing here. i have been confused about who i can trust here when i think that some of it was kind of obvious and other people acted like it wasn't. but you weren't one of them because you weren't around until later. so then there's wondering if i'm losing my mind on top of being really hurt and confused and since korpsy has no problem talking about me in irc and tinychat for the laughs i don't think its inappropriate for me to talk about him here for reasons that have to do with working out my feelings and understanding of reality and not just for the laughs. i don't mention him explicitly because this is about working out my own understanding and not about rehashing things with him and he doesn't deserve the respect involved in not using him for that purpose.
    And how much better are you now that you've made a dozen or so thread *not* about him? Because it looks to me that all this passive-aggressive complaining vaguely disguised as idle musings you've been throwing out over the past however-long hasn't done a thing to sorting out whatever issues you seem to still have. Nobody on here is going to be capable of helping you deal with your problems unless all you're after is a shoulder to cry on over and over again, and even then nothing's gonna change unless you change your headspace or do something proactive about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    he just as easily could have dropped the flowers in a pattern that led her to a dangerous animal. and then shrugged and said, "oops, i dropped it."
    Sounds more like a Ti ego to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Ni dominants are the Ladies and Gentlmen of the Ineffectual Predictive Society. When you predict something correctly it's your fault for not acting or; conversely; for acting. As a consequence Ni was worthless. When you predict something inaccurately then you are only human and can't be helped for being incompetent, so boo hoo, that whole Ni thing was worthless anyway. Perhaps it's all a matter of perspective.
    do you predict things?
    i dont know if the predictive stuff associated with Ni is as pertinent as the "this is whats going on" stuff that leads to the predicting.
    so i don't really think of Ni egos as "Predictors" per se.
    which probably doesn't make sense because apparently every word i type today is gobble bang plarf.

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    Sounds more like a Ti ego to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    do you predict things?
    i dont know if the predictive stuff associated with Ni is as pertinent as the "this is whats going on" stuff that leads to the predicting.
    so i don't really think of Ni egos as "Predictors" per se.
    which probably doesn't make sense because apparently every word i type today is gobble bang plarf.
    Sometimes and sometimes with some success. But that's a story for another day. Consider your example: Why drop flowers if someone is going to ignore them or have the opposite reaction to that planned? The devils in the detail. Start small, test, observe and modify the idea, theory and algorithim, rinse and repeat until dependable and reliable. When the stars are aligned then the ideas work, it is clear, simple, elegant and dependable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    You're not hiding - you're just anchored in concrete.

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...nvolvement-etc

    If you are looking up at the sky and someone is throwing crumbs in your general direction, it is okay to blow some smoke up their ass and move on. That's Ni in a nutshell. Its benignly skipping some steps, sometimes. It doesn't have to be inherently manipulative. Not everyone gets you, but the ones that do, matter.
    i think you get it. i think i might need to collect better experiences before i get it.

    that thread, omg. i remember reading it back in the day and experiencing cognitive dissonance because i /knew/ there was no way i was Se ego at the time but it resonated with me so much and scratched an itch i couldn't find . is it a Page yet? i'm gonna go savor it again lol.


    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Sometimes and sometimes with some success. But that's a story for another day. Consider your example: Why drop flowers if someone is going to ignore them or have the opposite reaction to that planned? The devils in the detail. Start small, test, observe and modify the idea, theory and algorithim, rinse and repeat until dependable and reliable. When the stars are aligned then the ideas work, it is clear, simple, elegant and dependable.
    i've been accused of doing something like dropping flowers and having the expectation things would go as i planned instead of giving it the appropriate thought, this post just made me think about how my perception could be colored by ni ha. whatever your type is the people i've been confident typing ni ego do seem more entrenched in that process and less like magicians pulling rabbits out of me than i've given them credit for, which is food for thought.

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    lmao.
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    If anything, when seeing the folding of events, my mother tries to warm me of the upcoming stuff;

    Last night, at her bday dinner, she saw me washing the dishes and said, "you waste all this time doing this, it's not going to help you in these ways, spend a little time and do this."

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    Why would the Ni ego have more knowledge of the "path"? Why would the Se ego not accept the advice? The example seems to be a kind of moot fantasy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Why would the Ni ego have more knowledge of the "path"? Why would the Se ego not accept the advice? The example seems to be a kind of moot fantasy.
    idk its a metaphor to describe abstract bs... i'm trying to keep it theoretical and impersonal.

    i would probably follow the advice, lol.

    ni egos theoretically have more knowledge of the ~*~implicit path~*~ but in the movie the dude just had a different lifestyle where he was used to getting out of caves lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    idk its a metaphor to describe abstract bs... i'm trying to keep it theoretical and impersonal.

    i would probably follow the advice, lol.

    ni egos theoretically have more knowledge of the ~*~implicit path~*~ but in the movie the dude just had a different lifestyle where he was used to getting out of caves lol.
    I'm not sure I believe that Ni egos are more knowledgeable in such practical terms; merely they tend to think long and hard at ideas to try to coalesce them into a single concept that all lines up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    i went to the movies on easter and saw this cute cartoon and there was this scene where this girl was finding her way out of a cave and this boy who was more experienced was sitting up higher and dropping flowers. ...
    i was reading the news last week regarding Berezovky's supposed suicide following him losing a major court case against Abramovich, their types being SEE-Fi and SLI-Si respectively - both of these guys are billionaires who haven't earned their fortunes by doing "accountable" work and who have 'dropped flowers' on multiple people, including each other, despite them being Se and Si egos

    point being: trying to make heads and tails of what's actually transpiring in reality on basis of "cute cartoons" is going to lead to all kinds of fantastic conclusions

    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    I'm not sure I believe that Ni egos are more knowledgeable in such practical terms; merely they tend to think long and hard at ideas to try to coalesce them into a single concept that all lines up.
    yeah, Ni egos will thematically compound and generalize their perceptions, but somehow this gets translated into a kind of magical predictive talent and ability to see many steps ahead of others

    but it's not like Ni egos are the only ones who know what's going on, meanwhile the other twelve types are resigned to blindly tumbling around in the dark

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    idk its a metaphor to describe abstract bs... i'm trying to keep it theoretical and impersonal.


    ni egos theoretically have more knowledge of the ~*~implicit path~*~ but in the movie the dude just had a different lifestyle where he was used to getting out of caves lol.
    Wonder if you have seen the cartoon in which the boy went to buy bread but in the shop he realised he's got only cash for a half loaf so he went back home to get more money following the footprints he left in the snow. After he got the appropriate amount of money he followed his footprints once again and made it back to the shop, but to his surprise the money he had on him was more than enough and in fact he was to buy a half loaf of bread in the beginning.

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    something got lost in translation along the way here.

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    Depends on person, but from my experience Se egos are much more manipulative and cunning to achieve their goals. This metaphor isn't entirely ni, because any ego could use the knowledge about exit.

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    the way out of the cave is an implicit dynamic field okay omgggggg

    i can't dig my way out of this without either going for more metaphorical mumbo jumbo or getting personal so...thanks for the input.

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    i went to the movies on easter and saw this cute cartoon and there was this scene where this girl was finding her way out of a cave and this boy who was more experienced was sitting up higher and dropping flowers. and she was chasing after each flower as it dropped and they were leading her out. and then she brought him one of the flowers and was like "hey you dropped this," all oblivious. and he smiled and was happy that she didn't know. and maybe if he'd grabbed her hand and told her he knew the way out, she wouldn't have listened. or it wouldn't have been as cute.

    i liked the scene. but the thing that gets me is: he just as easily could have dropped the flowers in a pattern that led her to a dangerous animal. and then shrugged and said, "oops, i dropped it."
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    damn. yeah i really do need to stop basing my life around cartoons and thinking ni egos are psychic.

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