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    Hello,

    I'm new to this forum. I've been observing for a while, but have been hesitant to participate without a specific question. Something came to mind tonight that I wanted to share.

    I am wondering if there is any info out there (personal experience or theoretical) on why an IEI might be attracted to math. Though I work in arts education, and my background is in the arts, math has always come easily to me. Throughout school, I consistently did better in math classes with much less effort than English or Social Studies courses. This seems surprising since the stereotypical arts person is better at English than math. In 3rd grade, I recall getting an award for scoring higher than the 6th graders in math. In high school, I got a higher math SAT score than Verbal. I actually recall "studying" the math sections of the SAT practice book for fun. And when I went to take the test, it was in a math classroom, and I felt very soothed. Even as a very young girl (5 or 6 years old), I would have friends sleep over. As we lay there in the dark before bed, I would request that they give me math problems (simple addition) to do as I fell asleep.

    Is this an attraction that relates to the mobilizing function? From what I understand, the mobilizing function is weak... so I wonder why I would be good at it. I don't think I am good at all introverted logic stuff, though. So maybe it is a fluke.

    Thank you,

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    Any type can be good at math.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    Any type can be good at math.
    I imagine that any type could be good at math. But I am wondering if there is anything about the make-up of IEIs that produces a special propensity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rahmyn View Post
    I imagine that any type could be good at math. But I am wondering if there is anything about the make-up of IEIs that produces a special propensity.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by rahmyn View Post
    I imagine that any type could be good at math. But I am wondering if there is anything about the make-up of IEIs that produces a special propensity.
    eventually IF we want to name something specific to IEIs (potentially also SEIs) and IF it applys that way: Hidden Agenda. What is more categorized and structured then maths?

    *please don't tell me an LSI *

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    Asian?!?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saberstorm View Post
    Asian?!?
    I wish.

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    Define algorithm for me.


     
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    Define algorithm for me.

    Seems like an established organized logical process for solving problems efficiently. Te?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rahmyn View Post
    Define algorithm for me.

    Seems like an established organized logical process for solving problems efficiently. Te?
    so? math can be interpreted emotionally, or by pictures and images, doesn't necessarily have to be through thought out systems or methods.

    I am very good at math and I have no Te in sight, it's obvious because I miss actions around me and don't estimate things people by their behavior, I just don't watch and remember that stuff.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    so? math can be interpreted emotionally, or by pictures and images, doesn't necessarily have to be through thought out systems or methods.

    I am very good at math and I have no Te in sight, it's obvious because I miss actions around me and don't estimate things people by their behavior, I just don't watch and remember that stuff.
    I thought the point he was making was that the focus of the math activity will lend itself to a particular function. This doesn't seem to contradict your opinion. I don't think he was saying that all math is algorithms and therefore Te.

    However, while I agree that someone from any type can be good at math, it seems likely that certain types are predisposed to enjoying math more than others. If anyone has anything to say about what IEIs might find enjoyable about it, I would be interested to hear. Particularly from another IEI.

    Maritsa, isn't Te your Suggestive function? I am confused because you said you have no Te in sight. Do you not subscribe to Model A?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rahmyn View Post

    Maritsa, isn't Te your Suggestive function? I am confused because you said you have no Te in sight. Do you not subscribe to Model A?
    My base function is Fi, so I regularly repress Te. It's the opposite function of the STATIC and Feeling; you ideally can not be both Static and dynamic at the same time. I notice the tendency of Te repression quite often. It is suggestive when a Te type comes along and offers their program function, otherwise I'm not able to regularly produce this function.

    For example...

    I'm sitting at home now on a Sunday. As an activity, I know I have to go have Easter dinner at my parent's by 6pm; there are other things in the air for me to do, of which I am really scattered about atm and don't know which ones I should do. I could go to the Farmer's Market, grocery store, go look for new sheets (my old ones shrank), go pick up my nephew for the movies, go rent a movie, go see my niece at the hospital, all these activities hang in the air and because I'm not sure which one to do, I waste more time not doing any of them. I need a Te to come along and say "do these things."

    My dual cousin who is Te-LSE is quick at noticing what needs to be done when; she'll notice people and resources around her and will stop me, saying "Maritsa, what are you doing?" And I'm ready to do what she wants so I just stop and go to her and say "do you need me to get something done?" She'll say "yes, you get these things ready and I'll do this and we'll be set."
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saberstorm View Post
    Define algorithm for me.


    An algorithm is the path you need to go from A to B, A being the place where you have a problem and B the place where you solved the problem. Everything can be explained with metaphors.

    Also, an IEI interested in Mathematics might believe that numbers are his friends not his enemies. He also will not see equations but parties!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodor Berza View Post
    An algorithm is the path you need to go from A to B, A being the place where you have a problem and B the place where you solved the problem. Everything can be explained with metaphors.

    Also, an IEI interested in Mathematics might believe that numbers are his friends not his enemies. He also will not see equations but parties!
    I'm not IEI but this is actually how i approached some of my favorite subjects also. Organic chemistry comes to mind -- making the cute electrons jump around connecting the chemical compounds into happy couples or merry groups. And study parties!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suz View Post
    I'm not IEI but this is actually how i approached some of my favorite subjects also. Organic chemistry comes to mind -- making the cute electrons jump around connecting the chemical compounds into happy couples or merry groups. And study parties!!!
    Although ESE have inferior Ti, their dominant Fe makes them able to do something for long time after they get a taste of it. So their have a higher chance to become a bit better than average at something because of their passion. Your dual, the LII needs you to motivate him to do practical stuff, to tell them how great their going to be if they make that, how they are going to make the world a better place and so on.

    ILI's need an SEE to be able to achieve anything.
    LSI's are also very unmotivated due to their inferior Fe so they have no motivation even if their energy levels are high. They need a Fe dominant as well to use their potential.
    LIE's will not learn math if they don't see a practical application in it.

    On the other hand SLE's are able to learn anything because they're quite smart from my experience and also have a ton of willpower.

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    So my point is that any type can enjoy math; it's not type related. IEI may enjoy math for the same reason that other types who enjoy it will, because it's easy for them, it comes easily and they read that language well.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    I have an IEI friend who is really into math and studies it in university. It's cute, though; when he describes it to me it always seems like he's more into the philosophical implications of "being a mathematician" than he is into the numbers and structures themselves.

    Also he is really bad at explaining math problems to me, it's like he's not much better at that than I am.

    I find it adorable lol.

    (but this is just one anecdote, I'm not saying it's always this way.)

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    Base Ni with Ti mobilizing. Arithmetic was super easy to do once the basics of what to do(Se) and the structure is explained. Ni just fills in the rest without effort.

    Every IEI i know has been top notch at arithmetic and eventually moved to excelling in english around geometry
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    i haven't noticed this particularly. i think math finds its way in wherever there is any level of conceptual abstraction involved, so it's not likely that the interest could be zeroed in on a specific function or type. also, as an e.g. see the breadth of different personalities being represented on this math-related youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/numberphile

    maybe it could be attributed to INXx > ENXx > others, but my ISTj friend is better at math than i am so there's that.

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    not type related, but thanks for the video @Saberstorm

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    i'm always a bit annoyed when people think along lines of "my eyes glaze over whenever i see math so it must be Ti", as if that kind of thought process doesn't occur in Ti types' brains too except with some other NT function being accused of being the culprit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rahmyn View Post
    Hello,

    I'm new to this forum. I've been observing for a while, but have been hesitant to participate without a specific question. Something came to mind tonight that I wanted to share.

    I am wondering if there is any info out there (personal experience or theoretical) on why an IEI might be attracted to math. Though I work in arts education, and my background is in the arts, math has always come easily to me. Throughout school, I consistently did better in math classes with much less effort than English or Social Studies courses. This seems surprising since the stereotypical arts person is better at English than math. In 3rd grade, I recall getting an award for scoring higher than the 6th graders in math. In high school, I got a higher math SAT score than Verbal. I actually recall "studying" the math sections of the SAT practice book for fun. And when I went to take the test, it was in a math classroom, and I felt very soothed. Even as a very young girl (5 or 6 years old), I would have friends sleep over. As we lay there in the dark before bed, I would request that they give me math problems (simple addition) to do as I fell asleep.

    Is this an attraction that relates to the mobilizing function? From what I understand, the mobilizing function is weak... so I wonder why I would be good at it. I don't think I am good at all introverted logic stuff, though. So maybe it is a fluke.

    Thank you,

    Rahmyn
    I think it is a hidden agenda motive possibly. As an IEE, Te often manifests as me making charts of things I think about and do for fun. Sort of like I am trying to present something to myself in an orderly and aesthetic fashion.

    Absurd: You Ti dominants sure say things I don't really know where to put.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rahmyn View Post
    I am wondering if there is any info out there (personal experience or theoretical) on why an IEI might be attracted to math.
    perhaps because it gives one the ability to express oneself in a more detached and abstract language which most closely mirrors the inherent impressions of this type

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    I like math.
    It may take me a bit to get used to understand a concept but after a few examples and I'm solving them on my own, I FEEL AWESOME.

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    too stupid to math because F, derp. all of you belong in the kitchen.

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    People talk about mathematics as it was something specific. There are several branches. It's been said that proficiency at some of the "higher" branches is correlated to intuitive thinking. And let's not be prejudiced here: "higher" doesn't mean "superior", just more complex, which intuition handles better than logic.
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    I guess we're referring to the kind of maths that is generally studied from high school up to first-year university- not very complex or higher branches, but the more common kinds of maths.
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    Interesting thread, as I am studying maths at this moment...
    I would not say that I am very good at it, but good. I think maths is not only about rationnal things. Actually maths is art too. You need to imagine many possibilities to resolve a problem. It's like having many tools, and need to find what tool you need. Many times you have to "rig" equations before applying a formula otherwise you can not continue. To me it is a mixing of rationnality and art.
    And maths look like a game with many rules too. If we take it as a game, it is nicer actually.
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    I have always been quite good at math - there were some things i had problems with like e-functions, but the rest was pretty easy. I have to admit though, since I graduated from school and went to university I never had need for it anymore, so now I forgot a lot of stuff. Most of it is kind of useless anyway in everyday life.
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    Starfall is right, down with math and hkkmr.

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    If I only studied, I may have done better in Calc I and II. I had to take Calc II twice because I stopped going to class the first time around. Not too long ago I was interested in trying to study Calculus on my own to actually understand it on a deeper level, but I just haven't gotten to it yet. I've always thought the text book approach was incredibly boring.
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    I'm going to pretend to be IEI for a second because well most of the threads are dead and I just feel like replying to some.


    Math.
    Math and I have a love-hate relationship. Whenever I first start out a math class or refreshing for chemistry or physics I loathe it. I will literally beat the pages and want to yell, "WHHHHYYYYYYYYY?" but then I'll youtube a problem or two (usually of someone actually going over a problem and how to solve it)...and bam, I completely understand it and then become addicted to solving them...I'll actually become somewhat giddy if I'm getting answer after answer correct.

    I currently just finished two extra pages of med calculations because I was so into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackburry View Post
    I'm going to pretend to be IEI for a second because well most of the threads are dead and I just feel like replying to some.


    Math.
    Math and I have a love-hate relationship. Whenever I first start out a math class or refreshing for chemistry or physics I loathe it. I will literally beat the pages and want to yell, "WHHHHYYYYYYYYY?" but then I'll youtube a problem or two (usually of someone actually going over a problem and how to solve it)...and bam, I completely understand it and then become addicted to solving them...I'll actually become somewhat giddy if I'm getting answer after answer correct.

    I currently just finished two extra pages of med calculations because I was so into it.
    Not IEI either ;-)

    I'm the opposite to BB, In the start i go like "fuck yeah, this is totally interesting, it helps me understand stuff beter, I can use this to explain x y z a b g etc" but than the calculations start and I get frustrated: "I understand this, why don't do the numbers add up? fuck this shit isn't there a calulator that just fixes this stupid formulea etc etc". I than quit never to look at the stuff again.

    Incedentily this makes me great at explaining how someone else could do calculations, I can break it down for them, explain it, guide them through. It's when I need to do them myself I'll skip steps, miscalculate, jump to conclusions and in every other way sabotage the execution and so.... I never really score above 6 on math tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    The way you described your relationship with math kind of sounds like my relationship with Flappy Bird
    who is Flappy Bird. I'd google but I'm on a school computer.

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    There is no a great problem with a school course of mathemathics for any type. Maybe even standard not specialized University course too. INFP may to be good teachers of these courses. But it's doubtful for INFP and any ethical type to have serious achievements in this region, - such should to be very rarely as needs more work.
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    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    uhm why doesn't the Beta Quadra contain posts only about sex

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    So I have a question for Ni folks? What in maths do you find thrilling? Can you point out specific field? Number theory?
    I'm going to give my Ne answer.
    I'm thrilled about transforming stuff into equations. So that makes me more like lousy scientist. Example: my brother called me about some specific math related problem I converted it into universal solution. Nobody asked for it but solution looked very beautiful.
    Sometimes I pick apart some statements and prove them wrong.
    I quess this is logical creative demonsrative function interplay at its best.

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