Article: EII (INFj) Socionics Type Description by Stratiyevskaya

[Expat]

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[Suz]

OMG! Expat is back???

[Suz]

I relate a lot to that whole Te-DS section...

[Creepy-bg]

he isn't back, somebody just made some of his posts into articles.

[Absurd]

Omg, omg, omg, omg. Expat is back. Back is Expat!

[Beautiful sky]

Crises in relations he "mends" by means of making concessions, however, he counts on his partner to notice these concessions and properly value them. In essence, his concession are a kind of an ethical tactic, intended to convince his partner of his initial goodwill and readiness to make compromises.

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YOU CAN'T COUNT ON PEOPLE WHO LIE TO THEMSELVES ABOUT WHO AND WHAT THEY ARE AND WHO LIE TO OTHERS ABOUT THAT TOO.

IF IT'S NOT A LIE THEN TELL ME WHAT IT IS? IT'S INABILITY TO DEAL WITH WHO YOU ARE...go back to what you are before everything hope that that somehow makes things better.

[Absurd]

HAT IT IS? IT'S NOT A LIE TO OTHERS ABOUT THAT TOO.

IF IT'S NOT A LIE THEN TELL ME WHAT IT IS? IT'S INABILITY TO DEAL WITH WHO YOU ARE...go back to what you are before everything hope that that that that that somehow makes thing hope that somehow makes thing hope that somehow makes thing hope that that somehow makes things better. a

YOU ARE...go back to what you are before everything hope that that somehow makes things better. a

YOU ARE...go back to what you are before everythings better. a

YO

[Beautiful sky]

For all those who keep saying that EII are not detailed and meticulous at work...

Dostoyevsky tries to return to the work as many forces, will as require its most meticulous and most qualitative fulfillment. Therefore it can remain, also, to the overtime - in order to finish it in time. (sometimes this the only method to carry out the exorbitant volume of work, assigned Shtirlitsem)

[Suz]

For all those who keep saying that EII are not detailed and meticulous at work...

Yeah i dont buy that whole Ne=airheaded, lackadaisical stereotype. Actually all the delta NFs i know, including myself, are very diligent, hardworking, conscientious people. I do have a tendency to miss details and not read things thoroughly, and my work style tends to be not very systematic. But that actually makes me work harder because I'm so worried about missing something important, so i feel the need to double- and triple- check things and never completely feel at ease because deep down I'm always thinking whether i've missed something or forgotten to do something. This ends up making me (and other delta NFs i know) work very long hours, longer than some others who maybe dont care as much or are more efficient. (hence my username). And thus i actually have a reputation for being detailed and meticulous, because I end up catching a lot of missed things in my haphazard "review" process.

That whole bit about LSEs being a source of heavy workloads is so true. The nice thing though is that they appreciate delta NFs' efforts and become forgiving of things we may have missed. They also eventually sometimes take pity on us and ease up on the workload. I've also noticed that we delta NFs tend to be a lot harder on ourselves about not meeting expectations than they are on their workers. I'd vented to an LSE supervisor of mine a couple months ago about how slow and inefficient I am, etc, and apologized for taking so long to do stuff. So she was like "well, you've got to get more efficient, but... you'll get there... it'll come with time". A big motivator for me, besides doing a good job for people, is being appreciated for the work that I do, and that does make me work even harder. That could be a component of the "activation" aspect of the LSE-IEE interaction.

[Beautiful sky]

I've posted some time ago that in my dual pair, I've noticed that when my cousin's up and working working, I'm usually feeling the stress and need to rest, but after eating three bowls of pasta, I get up and I'm ready to do the clean up, while she's ready to pass out, but usually with her and I, it's the case of she watches me work and work excessively and says "you can stop now because I feel like now I can eat off my floors" LOL and that's true, I don't or can't effectively keep up with my external self (monitor my own actions with regards to working) so I just keep at it like my brain's shut off or something. So, it's nice when she notices and the quality of my work is pleasing to her and can ask me to stop. I've noticed SEE who work around her, who just shuffle things from one end to another end, getting very little done or looking like they're scattered and need help with guidance of actions, while I just go "what's the direction, director! What do I do?" and in which case she'll say "Maritsa, you get this ready here and work on this." But usually, I stand by to wait for directions, I don't push my own will and do whatever around her. If she asks me to clean one thing I'll do it until it's perfect, but I won't cross territories to other things until I either ask or she tells me. I feel like she needs to think about things very carefully sometimes.

Example: I noticed the other day that her cast iron stovetop covers needed to be seasoned. I pointed them out to her and told her that I read somewhere where they were done a certain way. She looked annoyed and hesitant to bring that up right then, because it was a party and she notices what's important at the moment and only likes to focus and take care of that thing then. I still have it in my mind that it needs to be done and if she and I were living together, I would bring it up at a more appropriate time and even do it with her. I wouldn't just assume something needs to be done and do it.

My SEE cousin was at her house one day and my dual said something along the lines of "don't cook that because we'll grab something to go on the way" and my SEE cousin seemed like she just ignored her, had to get up early and start cooking to take something along; my LSE cousin turned to me and said "seems like she's not going to listen to me, is she?" I said "no, she wants to have her way."

[Beautiful sky]

Yeah i dont buy that whole Ne=airheaded, lackadaisical stereotype. Actually all the delta NFs i know, including myself, are very diligent, hardworking, conscientious people. I do have a tendency to miss details and not read things thoroughly, and my work style tends to be not very systematic. But that actually makes me work harder because I'm so worried about missing something important, so i feel the need to double- and triple- check things and never completely feel at ease because deep down I'm always thinking whether i've missed something or forgotten to do something. This ends up making me (and other delta NFs i know) work very long hours, longer than some others who maybe dont care as much or are more efficient. (hence my username). And thus i actually have a reputation for being detailed and meticulous, because I end up catching a lot of missed things in my haphazard "review" process.

That whole bit about LSEs being a source of heavy workloads is so true. The nice thing though is that they appreciate delta NFs' efforts and become forgiving of things we may have missed. They also eventually sometimes take pity on us and ease up on the workload. I've also noticed that we delta NFs tend to be a lot harder on ourselves about not meeting expectations than they are on their workers. I'd vented to an LSE supervisor of mine a couple months ago about how slow and inefficient I am, etc, and apologized for taking so long to do stuff. So she was like "well, you've got to get more efficient, but... you'll get there... it'll come with time". A big motivator for me, besides doing a good job for people, is being appreciated for the work that I do, and that does make me work even harder. That could be a component of the "activation" aspect of the LSE-IEE interaction.

I've since found LSE who don't have good communication skills, workaholics; I thought that would NEVER happen, boy was I wrong.

[Absurd]

Don't bother with those LSEs, Maritsa.

[Suz]

I've since found LSE who don't have good communication skills, workaholics; I thought that would NEVER happen, boy was I wrong.

Indeed.

One LSE woman I work with is absolutely clueless about acting diplomatically. All that's in her head is efficiency, efficiency, efficiency. Getting things done that need to be done. But if you put her in a room with a patient, she'll end up antagonizing that person like 5 times in one sentence. However, when I (or another person proficient in Fi) correct her (gently of course), she is SO thankful and appreciative. And she's like "OMG i had no idea that was a bad thing to say!! Really?? Really? I shouldn't say that?"

lol she cracks me up. She is really bullheaded about getting people to do work for her though. Especially nice people like me :/

[Subteigh]

"Poor peace is better than a good quarrel"... from "A bad peace is always better than a good war."