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    IEE (ENFp) — Ego Block


    1st Function - Ne, Extraverted intuition


    The IEE (ENFp) is characterized by exceptional insight into people and events. They are capable of evaluating the nature of a person almost at first glance and immediately giving a short but comprehensive characteristic this person. The IEE is able to foresee the development of a situation in an ethical sense. Not seldom he or she is capable of sufficiently accurately predicting the course of events in the future.

    The IEE is an astute psychologist who notices the slighted changes in attitudes and relations.

    IEEs work wonderfully well with people - they easily come into contact and communicate, sensitively feeling their conversations partners. IEE actors and performers easily find contact points with their public and keep them for the duration of their performance. They work well in show business, moreover, they often act better on the actual stage than at rehearsals. They typically don't feel afraid of their audience or experience significant "stage fright" - the presence of the public only tends to pleasantly excite them.

    Due to their developed intuition, representatives of this type also work well in medicine. They, as a rule, are great diagnosticians, capable of diagnosing sicknesses at the earliest stages of their development by their most remote and subtle symptoms.

    The IEE knows how to use those possibilities and opportunities provided to him or her by chance. Due to their ability to choose the most promising opportunity for the realization of their wishes, representatives of this type can achieve great success without applying excessive effort. They know how to derive benefit and advantage for themselves from each situation.

    IEEs are characterized by constant and ubiquitous testing of their potentialities and comparison of their possibilities to those of people around them. They enjoy creating competitive situations for themselves and improvised tests, checks, and examinations for other people. Huxley is usually sufficiently jealous of the achievements of other people and unwillingly recognizes another person's superiority. If the IEE does complement and flatter another person, it is usually someone who is of no challenge and measure to themselves, or whose positive deposition the IEE is trying to win over.

    Heightened expectation of his own possibilities and potential leads the IEE to acknowledge the significance of such factor as success. Success, for the IEE, is the norm. The absence of success usually makes the IEE feel apprehensive that something isn't right. Such "program" function demand towards themselves does not allow representatives of this type to make mistakes or miscalculations - they cannot afford this, as realization of failure greatly lowers their self-esteem and their perception of their own possibilities. Thus, in any situation and under any circumstances, the IEE tries to "be at a height", or at least create an image of it for the public. ("How you present yourself is how other people will perceive you.") Moreover, the IEE often tries to claim the reputation of a person "without any deficiencies and faults". The IEE very much dislikes it when another person criticizes his or her behavior. Even though the IEE theoretically understands that "no person is without a sin", he doesn't admit to any serious personal faults or flaws. Thus, at times he may say in half-seriousness: "If you see any flaws in me, tell me about it, and I will correct them."

    The methods of attaining success always excite and interest representatives of this type. Many of them becomes the authors of the books about reaching success in one or another field or sphere.

    The IEE has a phenomenal ability to never reveal or admit to own awkwardness, and to never admit him or herself to be defeated under any circumstances. The need to always and everywhere be at a height makes the IEE put claim to a prize or a reward in any situation and with any outcome. Hopeless, dead-end situations, in IEE's opinion, simply must not exist. It's not possible to put any of representatives of this type into an awkward position, since they simply don't recognize any faults after themselves, and in any situation behave themselves as if nothing special has happened.

    The prospect of achieving success by means of long-term, tedious work does not seem attractive to the IEE. In part, this is because they know too well that popularity is short-lived popularity and public interest is changeable. Thus, is a minute of fame and glory worth slaving away fro many years, being occupied only by one matter and missing other possibilities?

    The IEE considers it necessary to win over the attention of surrounding people and keep it at any price - this for him is a kind of training of his "intuition of success". Many representatives of this type, particularly in the childhood and in the youth, constantly "pull" attention to themselves. The IEE feels irritated and nervous if his presence is ignored, while being successful at gaining the attention of others Huxley literally "blooms": he tries to show himself in the most interesting and original light (and in this it's better to not compete with him). But if the IEE, nevertheless, does not feel sufficient level of interest in himself, he demonstratively ignores all those being present, which constitutes a kind of a challenge thrown to society, as well as another method of drawing attention to himself.

    "To enjoy success", "to win over popularity", "to retain popularity and keep at a height" - all of these "exploits" of same order are achievements that have paramount significance for representatives of this type. For this very reason, many IEEs have a tendency toward audacious, provocative, extravagant behavior and staging daring "ethical experiments". Many of them, even at an old age, have the ability to ridicule, to tease, to mimic, to play tricks and make jokes. (Which is not always done sensitively and appropriately.)

    IEEs love to boast. They frequently tell stories of their successes with representatives of the opposite sex, or how they have easily found an original way out of a difficult situation. An impression arises that the IEE doesn't even realize that such stories inspire his listeners to follow his example, although they are told precisely to this end. Even if IEE's "exploits" and "successes" are imagined from the beginning to the end, it is nevertheless interesting for him to look at how others will attempt doing what he, in reality, wouldn't dare to try (but which he has described very colorfully from his imagination).

    IEEs are constantly "investigating" the potential possibilities of people in various situations. Moreover, their entire surrounding environment serves as their "laboratory". The IEE knows wonderfully well how to "probe out" a situation by someone else's hands, and how to learn on mistakes and experiences of other people.

    Each time a representative of this type gets any "original idea", he sufficiently rapidly visualizes who from his environment could become its executor and its tester. The IEE knows how to find those people who will with interest receive his ideas and agree to realize them. He knows how to convince any, even the most careful and prudent person, that the proposed project is to the benefit and interests of the proposed "executor", that it doesn't promise any troubles, but to the contrary - only significant and obvious benefits for its realizer. Of course the IEE almost always accurately determines precisely which "bait" to use, which argument will "buy" the interest and attention of the person whom he has selected for his "experiment". If his experiment or project is realized successfully, bringing in some reward or benefit, the IEE will be sincerely glad about this, although he won't miss out on the opportunity to extract from it some concrete benefit for himself (for example, the IEE may hint to the "implementer" that he or she is now somehow obliged to him or owes him something).

    In the case of failure of IEE's "experiment", last of all he will think about the fact that he has "set" somebody up, and that he is now the culprit of someone else's troubles. (The IEE generally tries not to think about failures: "Do not saw the sawdust", as advises Dale Carnegie.) Inspiring another person by his new idea, the IEE does not completely exclude its successful completion, although in any event and with any outcome he doesn't personally risk anything: if the project is successful, the other person will be grateful and even obliged to him, and if the outcome is unfavorable, at least there is experience and expertise gained, which was worry-free and painless for IEE personally. Such conditions for his "experiments" are explain by the fact that IEE, in his or her essence, is a pessimist. With all his seeming outward light-mindedness and recklessness - he is actually very careful and prudent; therefore, he prefers to travel by the beaten paths, but even in such case he tries to arrive first at any cost and "get the prize". (He may also "intercept" prize just before the finish line, which, in his eyes does not in any shape or form diminish the value of the victory, but, on the contrary, only increases it.)

    Since the successes, merits, and achievements of other people do not leave the IEE to rest, the IEE frequently gets the wish to re-check another person's success. For example, if one of IEE's friends has bragged about the possibilities present at new workplace, her IEE friend won't rest until he or she makes someone familiar "verify" whether these prospects actually exist and if they are all that tempting. Any information that concerns potential and possibilities is extremely important for the representatives of this type. If to them this information seems improbable, they will try to verify it, to test or check it one more time. While at this, they themselves are highly unwilling to take on the role of the "intelligence agent": at the smallest danger to themselves they "break down", and from their "soulful simplicity and sincerity" reveal those who have sent them. Thus, sending the IEE on a critical mission is very risky. This only seems that in any situation they behave in a manner that cannot be predicted - there is always something constant in their behavior: under any circumstances they try to act in a way that guarantees the smallest losses to themselves.

    The IEE won't miss the opportunity to try everything that seems attractive and tempting. He magnificently knows how to "to hold his nose downwind", how to be up to date on all events, opinions, and movements. He knows which opinion should be supported, which movement it is necessary to join, moreover, he will always be among the first ones. (Many others may view the IEE as sneaky and shrewd due to this ability.)

    The IEE knows how to present his own abilities, possibilities, degrees, merits and qualifications in the most advantageous light, irrespective of their actual level and value. Frequently he "bluffs" and does not fear to be exposed at this, since he considers his actions to be a kind of test or experiment: if his self-advertisement is successful - all is well, if not - this is also not terrible. The experience acquired in the process may also prove useful some time.

    The IEE is inclined to over-estimate his own capabilities while underestimating the capabilities of others. He frequently takes up work, chores, or assignments that exceed his actual abilities and competence, counting on being able to figure things out in the process of work and thus doing it no worse than others, or at least find some opportunity to promote and recommend himself. The IEE does not fear to be exposed in his incompetence, since he can magnificently "present" himself and paint a favorable image. Furthermore, as was already mentioned, the IEE does not acknowledge or become fixated on his mistakes and failures, even if they are openly and publicly exposed - he simply turns around and leaves, not troubling himself with giving explanations and apologies. If he decides that he does need to justify himself, he will do so with ease: "Let's assume I haven't been successful at this job, but I am ready to learn and don't consider myself hopeless!"

    The IEE, in certain cases, is not worried that he seems incompetent, especially before a person who loves to explain and to teach, such as his dual the SLI. This ease in acknowledgement of his errors is explained by the fact that the IEE, generally speaking, never considers himself to be at fault or guilty of anything, but he willingly creates an outward image of repentance and self-criticism when he considers it necessary to "play along" with another person. Sometimes the "acknowledgement of his own errors" - is an advantageous ethical trick or tactical catch for him.

    Modesty, in IEE's eyes, is not a virtue, although absence of modesty in other people he sharply condemns (which is means for him to slow down someone else's initiative-taking). And even though the IEE tries to show and broadcast his own individuality at every convenient (and inconvenient) situation, he critically refers to any manifestations of individuality from other people. In any sphere of his activity the IEE makes notes to himself which person is a competitor for him and who does not present any challenge. Those persons whom he does not see as his rivals, and whose attention and support he intends to gain, the IEE knows how to cheer up, to support, to inspire. But he will for sure find means and methods "to cut the wings" of any person who is able in any way to stand in his way.

    The IEE knows how to turn the attention of people around him to his even insignificant achievement, how to give it weight and significance, how to "blow it out" into a serious victory or attainment. Due to this quality the IEE is capable of affirming his authority in a new position or place, consolidating his position, or repairing his reputation in case that it was damaged.

    He likes to teach the "losers" and "unlucky wretches", making an example of successes and achievements of others. Negatively judges any notes of indifference towards a successful career, popularity, fame, glory, achievement and competition, because he views these as signs of weakness and light-mindedness. (Sometimes he sees this as undue manifestation of someone else's individualism: "Everyone wants this, and you, for some reason, don't?!")

    The IEE tries not to tell anything in excess about himself, at least not in a big group of unfamiliar people: fears that this information could potentially be used against him. If one of his friends or family members "blabs out" anything extra about him, will reprimand this person about it, although he himself can hardly keep anyone's secrets, especially if he has been asked about this. Sometimes, not giving it much thought, may mention something "compromising" in a slip of the tongue.

    IEEs love to create "ticklish" and "edgy" situations (indeed, it is so interesting to watch them happen!). He may, with the most innocent look, place someone in an awkward position, later being puzzled by why this person was offended by him. (Because for the IEE this is nothing more than a game: it would seem that there are no such awkward situations out of which the IEE couldn't find a way out.)

    And nevertheless, under any circumstances the IEE try not to place themselves in danger or under the wave of possible troubles, and for this reason they don't like to "cover" for anybody. They fear taking excessive responsibility onto their shoulders. Therefore, they may calmly forego all their previous promises, if these oblige them to some difficult or risky steps.

    IEEs love being friends with famous, capable, and talented people, or at least making their acquaintance or being their relative. They don't miss an opportunity to talk about their bright and influential "friends" and contacts. Indispensable participants and regulars of the most popular social events and gatherings (particularly in young age).

    The IEE is always in a search of something new, interesting, and promising. Thus, his interests are extensive and diverse, but superficial and unstable. Everything new and unusual attracts him, alas, only temporarily. The IEE is quick to get interested and involved, but his interest cools and vanishes just as quickly. His interest in new people, new acquaintances, and new relationships is just as superficial and short-lived. Similar to a child who takes apart a new toy, in order to explore it by looking into its inner workings, and then losing all interest in it, so does the IEE rush to "take apart" and figure out the core or essence of each person: superficially or deeply it's not important - as soon as his purpose is achieved and his curiosity is satisfied, the IEE ceases to be interested in this person, and becomes completely indifferent to the the fate of their further relations. (The IEE sometimes brags by the fact that he has "sent someone away", turned somebody down, expelled, led on and tricked someone.)

    The IEE knows how to quickly assess people with respect to their possibilities and abilities. He always knows what to expect from a person, and whom he can use to which purpose. He possesses the ability to see in each person their most vulnerable point, their "Achilles heel". The IEE magnificently plays on these weaknesses of others, and uses this ability to achieve his own purposes, building to this purpose his own system of relations, which will be examined in the next section.

    2nd Function - Fi, Introverted Ethics

    A characteristic feature of IEE's ethical function is the ability to adapt to his conversation partner, "to tune into his frequency": a quality that helps the IEE attain positive consideration of practically anyone, even those the most unsocial and quiet person, and "to peer into his soul" as deeply as it satisfies the IEE's interest.

    The IEE is endowed with the ability to "find a master key" to any person and to each soul - even the most distant, closed off, and mysterious one. To accomplish this, the IEE is in possession of a mass of means and methods:

    - The ability to boisterously and openly admire an interesting to him person and become charmed by him or her. To learn everything about their habits, preferences, interests, likes and dislikes, and with readiness adapt and mimic their style of living.

    - The ability to agree with the opinion of the majority (and "seniority"). Ability to adapt his views to changing circumstances, influences, and movements.

    - The ability to see the degree of self-confidence of lack of thereof in each person - a quality that allows the IEE to manipulate people very well, to play on their own ambitions, desires, flaws, and complexes.

    - The ability to offer his help and his services, or to impose them: to make a person interested in IEE's possibilities, influence, and connections. (Even though the IEE won't allow anyone close to his valued connections - he is very much apprehensive that someone else may intercept a good opportunity or a chance he could have used himself, i.e. his own winning ticket.)

    Nevertheless, it would be incorrect to consider the IEE to be so cunning and insidious in creating intrigues, cleverly using his own capabilities for satisfaction of selfish goals. This form of building relations simply supports his own "program" and ensures realization of his conceived plans.

    Can the IEE offer his help just because, from altruistic motives? Yes, of course he can! And he does this quite often. IEE's offers of help should be understood precisely as demonstrations of his sympathy and well-wishing towards a particular person, as well as the expression of sensitivity and consideration for that person's problems. However, the IEE does not hurry to extend real help. Moreover, as soon as the person accepts his proposal, the IEE starts to feel nervous concerning this new responsibility that he has tooken onto his shoulders, and concerning the possible difficulties and dangers that accompany it. He begins to feel afraid of unnecessary expenditures of his time and forces. Now the IEE no longer feels glad that he has offered his aid, and even upset with the person who has so literally understood his offer. It starts to seem to him that this unfamiliar person wants too much from him. Trying to somehow correct this awkward situation, the IEE often creates distance between himself and the other person whom he has offered to help: he puts on a haughty look, with which he underscores the value of his help or service, letting the other person know that he will be obliged for this help - in short, the IEE starts to behave in such a way that the other person no longer feels comfortable using his services, and either forgo it, or never remind the IEE of it again. The IEE, on his end, does not forget about his offer of help and fulfills it at the first opportune moment, i.e. when it costs him the least of his efforts or troubles, and almost happens by itself.

    Another ethical quality that is characteristic of representatives of this type: the IEE is the unsurpassed master of "false hopes and ditches", and, once again, there is no intentional insidiousness or cunning within this behavior - this is nothing more than a method of regulating and adjusting psychological distance, during formation of relations, done for the purpose of generating a stable interest from the side of his partner, and testing the depth of his partner's feelings. The necessity of such an approach to relationships is determined by the fact that IEE is oriented as such dual as the SLI, who often very quickly transfers relations from the field of ethics and feelings to there sphere of sensual pleasures, satisfying which he sufficiently rapidly loses interest in a partner. Therefore this tactic is necessary, first of all, for the SLI, since it constantly fuels and inspires his interest, and stabilizes their dual relations. (Otherwise, the SLI risks remaining without a satisfactory partner. Only the insightful and prudent IEE is capable of forming a worthy match for him in every respect.)

    One ought not to view the intentions behind IEE's behavior as poor also because initial well-wishing is included into the system of values of all types of the fourth quadra. The IEE is thus initially friendly and cordial towards a person when getting introduced to them, and will keep in touch and maintain relations for as long as that person is interesting and attractive to him. Problems start when the IEE loses all interest in the person, which may happen right after introduction, at the very beginning of their acquaintance. The question is, how does judicious and insightful IEE circumvent this tricky and potentially troublesome situation, when he doesn't want to make enemies, when he wishes to forgo any scandals and not draw somebody's ire onto himself?

    The first goal the IEE sets for himself is to immediately soften and suppress any created awkwardness. To calm the person by any means possible, to dispel any suspicions, to make whichever promises came to his mind, and try to persuade the person of his best intentions. To avoid a quarrel or falling out by all means possible, and delay the sorting out of relations to some indeterminate future date, hoping that eventually there won't be any need for it, or that some future events will change and correct the situation. IEE's striving to soften and diffuse any emotional tension is oriented at the weak and vulnerable emotional function of his dual, the SLI. For this reason the IEE typically tries not to let his relations get to the point of open conflicts and discord.

    This is not the end, however, because the absence of IEE's interest in someone is also inconstant. Therefore, he never allows anyone "to disappear forever". Regardless of the fact of how far the IEE has distanced and expelled his partner, he will always find an opportunity or occasion to remind about himself and to renew relations in a form that is most convenient to him. For him this is an additional method to adjust and regular the interpersonal distance. (The SLI regulates personal distance by analogous method - for his it is necessary in order to balance out the emotional pressure exerted by his ethical partner.)

    The IEE tries under no circumstances to remain alone, to end up in solitude. (A lonely person looks like a "loser", which repulses all people around him, and, correspondingly, deprives him of chances of success). For these reasons, and also in view of his exceptional communicability, the IEE prefers to have "spares" and "options" of partners for any form of relations. (These "fallback" or "spare" partners fulfill the function of "distracting maneuvers" in the ethical games of IEE and SLI: the SLI is not very interested in a partner who completely fixates on him. This form of relations to him seems too burdensome, too dull, predictable, and boring, while relations that include "other options" on one side calm him down, and from the other side lull to sleep his vigilance, which prepares him for the new ethical tricks and catches of the IEE.)

    The IEE sometimes creates a "myth" of another partner, a "spectre" of a rival. For example, he likes to introduce all the people who are interested in him to each other ("to pit them face to face"), and coming to a meeting with one the IEE begins to tell about his feelings and relations with another. Why? - again, because the IEE is "programmed" for relations with a SLI, who feels activated, intrigued, and excited by such "ethical games", and who sometimes approaches the ethics of relationships from the stance of: "If this woman doesn't have anyone, this means nobody needs her, and so why is she needed to me?"

    This creates another motivation for the IEE to simultaneously start several relationships: under any circumstances the IEE tries not to focus his attention on one partner (remember that the SLI doesn't like it if anyone "gets stuck" on him). Thus the IEE starts several relationships with several partners, so that each of them feels a little "neglected" and "passed by" IEE's attention. If the IEE creates a relationship with one partner, then the others are simply imagined, but his real partner must feel a certain absence and diffusion of attention from IEE's side.

    Representatives of this type frequently make the impression of being extremely light-minded and inconstant in their attachments people, of people who constantly initiate close relationships but will avoid or evade any physical closeness in the last moment. This inconsistency is also explainable: the IEE does not set a clear-cut and obvious distance in his relationships - he is simultaneously both near and far - creating a certain uncertainty and incompleteness in his relationships. This form of behavior creates a psychological regime that is convenient to his dual, the SLI, who poorly endures rigid and bounded by a preset distance relationships.

    Besides this, the IEE loves titillating risky adventures and enjoys complicating an ethical situation to its limit, then finding a way out by the most unexpected and original manner. Why is this needed? - This is one of the requirements of IEE's "program" intuitive function - the search for the boundaries of their own ethical possibilities, and subsequent expansion of these boundaries. This is something the IEEs are constantly occupied by in any (not only ethical) situation.

    But how does one explain IEE's tendency to avoid physical proximity? - Again by the primary orientation of his dual, Gabin, who quickly grows satiated by sensual relations (and, as is known, the feeling of satiation for Gabin is associated with unpleasant sensations, which he tries to avoid at any cost). Additionally, the IEE is a judicious "program" intuitive type, who tends to place the prospects of further development of relations above immediate physical and emotional needs.

    From this come certain stereotypes of behavior: "A woman must be mysterious and inaccessible. If she too quickly yields to a man, he will lose all interest in her, and she will be alone once again". (And this Huxley always fears.)

    In any event, IEE's creative "ethics of relations" primarily serves to realize the basic requirements of his intuitive "program" function - the search for new, better, promising possibilities, for which it is very important that the IEE does not remain in solitude and does not cut off already created contacts and established relationships, but uses them to search for other options and other possibilities. This is one of the reasons that the IEE tries not to lead his relationships to a final breaking point, but to remain with his former partners on friendly basis: the IEE turns to his former partners for help if needed, "cries on their shoulder" when IEE's current relationships with their next partner suffers complications, gets them involved in resolution of his current problems, uses their connections, interacts and associates with their friends and familiars. (One of the representatives of this type was asked a question: could he give his life for a night with a loved woman? - "No, I couldn't," he answered, "because then I would betray one of my main principles: to remain friends with former beloveds. And what kind of friend would I be if I die?")

    The IEE does not exclude "friendship" existing between a man and a woman. Offer of his "friendship" for the IEE is, in actuality, a subtle and sophisticated "ethical game", the essence of which lies once again in establishing the necessary psychological distance with a partner. By "friendship" the IEE typically means certain ethical prospects that hint at some far-reaching and promising relations. Such ethical game, as is all of IEE's creative ethics, is once again constructed with the aim at the weak ethics of his dual Gabin, who is repulsed and scared off by any straightforward and direct manner of relations.

    It is exactly this "ethical cobweb" that is created by the IEE that to the SLI seems to be the most attractive, tempting, and intriguing, and at the same time not burdensome, imposing, or obliging form of relations. (And that representatives of other types fall into this "cobweb" and become stuck in it, the IEE is certainly not at fault by any means.)

    Super-ego Block


    3rd Function - Se, Extraverted Sensing


    Representatives of this type adore to develop volitional qualities in themselves. Frequently they love and know how "to show nature". Soft and yielding on the nature, they develop in themselves capability for volitional action and volitional protection, they learn to reject and to reject, learn to speak "no". (representatives this type greatly they fear someone to offend by its refusal and thus to bring on itself someone's anger, precisely, for this reason by it considerably more easily "to fool head", than to refuse directly.) To tell in the categorical tone in them is very difficult. In the sharp clerk - it is also very difficult.

    Any attempt to produce persistent requirements in their interpretation appears by frank zanudstvom: "well, make that, about which 4 you I please! Well, if you please, well obey me... "

    It is sufficiently difficult to them to make a volitional effort above itself. The process of training the force of will, purposefulness, endurance, physical development - themes, which constantly occupy their attention, moreover even are somewhat demonstrative. The conversations, which are concerned these themes, they, as a rule, with the pleasure support. They love to tell about their achievements in the region of physical development, to be exchanged the information and recommendations about all possible developing and strengthening gymnastics.

    With Huxley, not at all without confusing by the presence of strangers, they can make "those developing and strengthen overalling" of exercise directly at the work site, without ceasing production process. They adoring to recommend this method of "physical development" and surrounding: "if you work after the computer, you must every 15 minutes make gymnastics for the ocular muscles..." To the objection apropos of incapacity or unwillingness to combine work with the gymnastics they react extremely obizhenno, as if they proposed something absurd. (however, some of their proposals by many precisely so they are received.)

    Huxley they adore to find in the periodicals of recommendation about the effective physical development with the price of the minimum expenditure of time and efforts and they enthusiastically share by their knowledge with those surrounding.

    They love to speak about the endurance and the viability. (they frequently cite as an example itself.) With the pleasure they teach of the "skill" defending their rights and of insisting on their. (moreover, themselves in the battle with the wind mills they prefer not to walk.) It cannot be said that this "teaching" by them is given easily. On the contrary, it requires the enormous expenditure of forces and energy. Huxley's itself into this minute is very stressed (mentally it already it wars). Regardless of the fact, this situation of settling its rights does require or not, Huxley already mentally "loses" it precisely in the combat version and frequently precisely on this decoupling he insists, although it is sufficiently peaceful by its nature. In representatives of this type sometimes appears the desire to test its boytsovskiye qualities, but not in the real situation, but as in the barely toy. Therefore they sometimes unexpectedly for themselves can provoke whose- that quarrel, they can begin to tease, they can half in joke strike, but they unconditionally lose with the collision with the present tease. Therefore, feeling the power preponderance of enemy, away not to secure by the support of strong and influential ally. (Huxley greatly it respects strong people, it always dreams about the strong and reliable partner)

    Huxley's itself does not always successfully appear whose- or as the defender: if it sees that its "client" has too influential enemies, he will try to leave the situation without the damage for himself.

    It feels itself uncomfortably if necessary for very to give rebuff. Protecting, it fusses, it is irritated, demonstratively it is offended, it behaves very contradictorily and nonrepresentatively. It loves to construct its protection, referring to authorities. It is always offended, if they frankly disregard its councils, and its own authority not in the half copeck coin places. "last word" in Huxley's dispute they try to reserve and greatly they survive, if which does not succeed. ("last word" Huxley sometimes appears frankly unethical - sometimes this that that is called the "forbidden method" or impact "lower than belt". But Huxley this circumstance does not confuse: the main thing for it to conquer in the dispute, but by what price - it is not always important.)

    They frequently fill to itself haughty and haughty form, away not to poblefovat', hinting at its influential connections.

    The presence of diplomas, certificates, ranks and rewards always produces on them the irresistable impression: "I thought it decent person it nevertheless has higher education..."

    They love (but they do not always know how) to take to itself the role of leader. Is prepared itself for the extreme situation, it mentally about itself they sometimes lose, but under the conditions of real difficulties it takes a long time to preserve composure and concentration they not can, frequently they are pulverized to the showy fuss.

    They love to demonstrate their resoluteness and physical force. Frequently with the demonstrative readiness they undertake difficult loads, but then sufficiently rapidly finds the method of them to get rid.

    They love to oshchushchat' their force - this pleasantly excites and tones up them.

    Being those allotted by authority, they are inclined to misuse by it. They love demonstratively to command. it sometimes by them pleases itself to develop the role of cruel and inexorable person.

    They are obstinate. With the entire external softness and the benevolence, they become irreconcilable and obstinate, where anything threatens their interests.

    It is very lenient and insufficiently demanding to itself. Do not always love to answer for their words and behavior. They do not love to take to itself excess responsibility - by them it is difficult to be executive and required.

    4th Function - Ti, Introverted Logic

    Huxley loses interest in any object, as soon as his curiosity at least is superficially satisfied. Moreover to excite this interest or cannot be somehow deepened it already: this theme, in the opinion of Huxley, already sufficient to them is studied and it is not assembled to it to return, especially because in the light there is so much new and not studied. (Huxley greatly they fear to miss some new possibilities. Therefore they do not make possible for itself "to get stuck" on what for them the already "passed stage".)

    Only method to hold Huxley's interest this always "to preheat" his curiosity: to make burning hot imagination, to intrigue, to encourage, is constant something to nedoskazyvat'. In a word, "to hold on the hook" (which, strictly, and makes its dual Of gaben).

    Huxley is very inconsistent in his behavior and reasonings. Moreover in itself is not personally considered this deficiency - to it so conveniently; therefore it so enters, but to it it is inconvenient, when others so act, by Huxley it is difficult, sometimes cannot be been gathered with the thoughts. Its attention constantly is dispersed. Listening to explanations, easily grips general, often only surface sense sometimes in Huxley it appears the insurmountable interest in the analysis of unessential details (moreover it these details seem super-significant and necessary for the deep and immediate understanding of essence). In consequence of which it takes away explanation to the side, and it sometimes generally divides it, posing late or inappropriate questions and in this case persistently requiring answer to them. Very posing of the question sometimes being this absurd and absurd which explaining even does not always know as to it to react.

    Intuitively understanding the sense of many logical concepts and categories, Huxley frequently has about them sufficiently surface idea. Therefore sometimes is placed itself in the awkward position, voicing clearly absurd things by the most bezappelyatsionnym tone. Moreover the "nontrivial" point of view of Huxley is capable of placing in the blind alley even of the most experienced and qualified instructor, especially because for the representatives of this type is very characteristic the ability to venture debate in the most inappropriate time.

    Difficulty in the explanation of any elementary concepts frequently is experienced. But even more it makes it difficult to explain complex phenomenon by simple means. (here is an example of that how a representative of this type it explained to four year old child nature of thunder and lightning:

    "will sail cloud let us assume with the positive sign, and towards it other - with the sign" minus ", and then they encounter, and are obtained thunder and lightning.") Sometimes Huxley begins his explanation too in detail and thoroughly, but subsequently itself loses to it interest and it continues to explain already more in a general manner. Frequently it is tangled in its own explanations, it is nervous and is offended to its tightly dumnuyu audience.

    And nevertheless representatives of this type greatly love "everything to explain". For example, after falling into difficult situation, frequently they say: "4 to you now everything I will explain!" And they begin to explain in the order. "in the order" - this it means from a distance. I.e.,: first in detail are described some side-line and insignificant circumstances ("my niece of the husband of troyurodnogo brother colleague"), to further these side-line "circumstances" is given "intuitive" characteristic ("in every respect unlucky wretch"). The attempt to bring Huxley to the very essence of account usually to nothing does not bring - it only is irritated, it is nervous, it requests to give to it to be expressed "in the order", but there begins everything first.

    It is always interesting to listen to Huxley, who explains the location of any of object. Huxley usually describes the arrangement of all nearest objects and relatively they are oriented: "to the right, in hundred meters you will see shoe store, but there do not displace turn to the left..." Huxley can and map draw, but it will be too detailed and too intricate.

    Greatly they fear to entangle anything, but precisely this most frequently and occurs. Moreover they are confused precisely in those things, which them seem sufficiently by lungs for the understanding and the memorization.

    Huxley painfully receive any charge in the illogicality and inconsistencies. They are offended, when their mental abilities criticize. Many of them with the pleasure work in the intellectual field. They be fascinated by philosophy itself away not to reason on the removed themes. Frequently they speak out in the form of sayings. Some of the representatives of this type love to write its sayings into the notebook, to cite by their surrounding and to publish in the newspaper.

    They love to voice their reasonings with the most significant form: "if woman wants to seem by interesting, she must be unpredictable and incomprehensible." Huxley they love to produce impression with their statements, moreover them in this their usual self-confident tone greatly helps. Frequently in their reasonings is present the exaggerated (false) significance, capable of giving "significance" to the most trivial and most primitive according to the sense statements: "in the life of each woman there is something such, about which it cannot describe to one man".

    False significance in representatives of this type is present not only in the intonations, but also in the expression of face - in the "promising" view and in the "mysterious" smile. But in that is manifested the "illogicality" of the emotions expressed by them, that neither view nor smile reflect their true intentions, and generally by no means with them they are not connected. Huxley magnificently observes and analyzes strange emotions, but only not his own. He can as much as desired frankly and draftably look at the representatives of opposite floor, but in this case not absolutely allow oneself report in its behavior (ethics of emotions it realizes in it subconsiously). Therefore for it will be sincere and complete unexpected contingency charge in the fact that by its behavior it gives occasion for the jealousy.

    One only Gaben - its dual, receives Huxley's behavior adequately. Any intentional or "unexpected" hint it sees and receives precisely in that value, in which it will be given. Of no illogicality in the behavior of Huxley Of gaben it observes - it sees only thin and beautiful ethical game. Even when Huxley with the fascinating directness attempts to explain any wisdom, this Gabena it only moves. The confused manner of his account characteristic of Huxley pleasantly weakens and calms: he wonderful understands that the logical aspect of Huxley's information - this altogether only the secondary plan of relations, the main thing is the ethical aspect, which stands after all this. Therefore the logical confusion of Huxley Gaben receives as its kind the formulation of his ethical game.

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    5th Function - Si, Introverted Sensing


    The IEE shows a lively interest towards any information on this aspect. Any news concerning culture, arts, health, and sports are extremely involving for representatives of this type. The IEE may talk about health and sports willingly and at length. The IEE is interested in all possible diets, exercises, gymnastics, and, not yet having had the time to try them on himself, will actively recommend them to others. Attentively listens to advice about healthy lifestyle, and having once adopted some recommendation or instruction the IEE follow it without fail.

    The IEE usually does not speak or complain about his own health, but he readily and openly discusses various prophylactic, preventative methods.

    With aesthetic taste of representatives of this type not everything is alright, although the IEE may try to closely follow fashion and meticulously carry out all beauty recommendations and instructions. In questions of aesthetics and beauty the IEE is highly suggestible and easily influenced by another's opinion. Moreover, once suggested and absorbed information on this aspect reaches axiomatic level for him. Thus, the IEE is characterized by certain conservatism in his tastes, which combines with inherent to him originality in the most unexpected forms.

    In dressing the IEE tries to adhere to "a personal style", which is not always successfully put together. Frequently in IEE's appearance there can be observed something illogical, for example, a felt cap and chamois boots in 30C degree heat. This "combination" is completely explainable from IEE's point of view, since it was chosen and put together by matching colors, and the fact that this is causes unpleasant sensations is not important: "beauty requires sacrifices".

    Representatives of this type also have difficulties with using make-up: either it's not used entirely ("natural beauty is the best"), or the IEE uses it in an unfavorable and uncomplimentary way. Same happens with dyeing hair: they can exchange their beautiful, natural hair color for some obvious and crude chemical dye, only because "this is how it's colored nowadays".

    The interior of IEE's home is typically organized not in the best and most rational way: frequently it is overloaded and cluttered. Sometimes interior organized by an IEE has a kind of gypsy-like, crude style. Cleaning and ordering things in his home the IEE does not like. Frequently the IEE does this only from a sense of habitual responsibility, and not from an internal desire for aesthetics. (With the exception of self-dualized representatives of this type.)

    In visual art there may also be some problems with the perception of color, form, and lines. Often the IEE uses combinations of too saturated colors, or vice versa - monotonous and dull. (They love to use color combinations that, in their opinion, and generally considered to be successful: red-white-black or blue-grey-violet, and so on.)

    In questions of aesthetics, rationally organized convenience, organization of convenient uncluttered living environment, in questions of food preparation and bases of beneficial diets, in the organization of reasonable work and leisure schedule - in all these questions the IEE has a suitable adviser - his dual SLI. Because it is precisely at SLI's "program" sensing function that the IEE is subconsiously oriented. Opinions of other sensing types to IEE don't seem as convincing and of less weight and authority than Gabin's.

    6th Function - Te, Extraverted logic

    The IEE is captivated by any opportunity to demonstrate his practicality. He refers with interest to practical recommendations provided in magazines and television programs. Before throwing a thing out, the IEE thinks whether it's possible to convert it into something necessary. (Sometimes he can give it as a present exactly to this purpose.)

    The IEE visits thrift stores and sales events. A thing that has been put out for a cheap price to IEE's eyes immediately becomes attractive. In such minutes he doesn't think about its aesthetic qualities, but only considers it from the point of its functional and useful properties (which he, however, doesn't consider necessary to test).

    Thus, the "practical" Huxley sometimes accumulates an enormous quantity of cheap and not very attractive things, to which he almost immediately loses interest and persistently proposes them as gifts or tries to resell them as "good deals" to people in his environment. Moreover, the IEE wouldn't be such a "practical" person if he didn't check whether his "gift" is being used. If it's not being used, the "gift" should be returned: it will be given to someone other.

    The IEE takes up new work with much enthusiasm, but soon loses interest in it. He prefers to get to work without preparation, as preparatory process siphons off his enthusiasm and makes him indifferent. If the preparatory stage includes physical exertion and efforts, such as moving, hauling, ordering or cleaning, and other boring and tiresome tasks, the IEE begins to fuss around, feels irritates, frustrated, and generally unconsciously behaves in such a way that someone else would do this part of the work for him.

    As has already been mentioned, representatives of this type find it difficult to force themselves to do something, to be responsible, to work hard for a long time, to work under a strict schedule. Once the IEE ensures his position, he tries to create a more beneficial working conditions for himself. He prefers to have a flexible schedule or non-standardized schedule of work. Generally the concept of "work discipline" tends to greatly complicate his life.

    In the process of the work, the IEE can (and loves to) get frequently distracted and is able to simultaneously work on different assignments. And this does not seem it burdensome to him.

    The IEE feels glad if he invents some new method or procedure. Loves to instruct others by his own "methods". Feels offended if his methods evoke criticism or are simply rejected without a clear and visible reason.

    In work the IEE tries to reach high professional level, but only if this doesn't require great effort.

    The IEE dislikes having to work through details. Any tedious and meticulous work is irritating to him. He hates having to go back, re-do, correct, and work further on something that has already been done and finished.

    Representatives of this type love to combine working process with various physical and respiratory exercises. Sometimes they like to sing at their work place, tell jokes and anecdotes. They feel annoyed by an environment that is overly quiet and serious.

    The IEE finds it difficult to be attentive, organized, and focused for a long time. They clean and organize their workplace only when the necessity arises. At the end of the work day, the IEE throws the tools in their places only if his type of employment requires it.

    Encountering the need to do some unpleasant or uninteresting work, the IEE first of all thinks to whom he can pass it on. Representatives of this type are characterized by letting things go to such an extent that they "grow" into a seemingly big and unsolvable problem. In this situation, IEE's dual the SLI comes to his rescue - the patient, measured, and methodical SLI, with enviable patience, is capable of sorting out the most complicated and entangled matter.

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    7th Function - Ni, Introverted Intuition


    Huxley constantly observes, how long requires reaching stated by them problem or the realization of the selected by him possibility. Any idea seems it hopeless, if its realization requires too heavy expense of time. ("half a year here I work, and at least who me noted!") And precisely this follows him "observant function", precisely, from the negative positions it will give the information of its "program" intuition of potential possibilities.

    One additional region of observing Huxley - rates of the development of his interrelations with the people. It always controls the fact, how rapidly he is succeeded in arranging to itself man. This is very important index for Huxley. Huxley constantly follows the fact so that in him the interrelations interesting distance would be decreased precisely at that rate, in which to it this is necessary. Huxley knows how as much as desired it takes a long time to create the illusion of close relations, remaining in the essence on the positions of strange observer.

    Huxley has his methods of regulating the rates of reduction and increase in the psychological distance. As, for example, to appoint meeting and not to arrive to it; to force partner in vain itself to wait until, and then as if nothing were the matter to ring and to assure in its hot desire to be encountered. It would be error explain this behavior by common for Huxley illogicality. And to even more erroneously think that Huxley ignores the factor of time of this not at all it can be, since Huxley - intuit, and time factor enters into the system of his values. Therefore in its behavior it is possible to perceive precisely deep intuitive- ethical sense - the intention to cool the made burning hot feelings of partner, then to warm up them, if we they poostyli, and then "cool" and "to preheat" them until is adjusted determined, convenient to it the distance of interrelations.

    In the interrelations, with its dualom Gabenom this method renders the decisive positive action, since Gaben "reduces" distance by the approximately analogous method: with the most imperturbable form alternates the rapprochement and distance. Therefore as a result of this unique interaction with each other both partners sufficiently rapidly are convinced of the fact that in every respect they each other are worthy, after which it is possible to count their dualization during the first stage of that completed.

    Relation to the expenditure of time in Huxley depends on relation to the subject, this time expending. If Huxley values relations with the man, he values his time.

    As a rule, it does not love to limit itself in the time, especially, if it is expended on the satisfaction of its own interests and pleasures.

    For example, if to it it was wanted to meet precisely when it the man interesting was squeezed by time, about which to him unequivocally he is hinted, this circumstance will not at all confuse him, and contact will continue until in Huxley interest in the collocutor runs low. Another matter, when it itself somewhere hurries, especially, if this is the important encounter: in this case it is nervous, repeatedly it resembles that soon it must leave, in a word, pleasant contact it is not obtained.

    It does not love, when it they force to await, but it does not see large misfortune in making it necessary to await others. Usual situation: the gathering friends await it at the covered table, and Huxley at this moment rings on the telephone and reports that here he now already leaves.

    Usually Huxley is always planned to leave in time, but in the last minute usually appear different circumstances, which require from it the unforeseen expenditure of time. (there is this, very characteristic situation: Student- Huxley comes to the lecture with the half-hour delay and after 15 minutes requests permission to leave home, since, as it seems it, left on the plate teapot.)

    Huxley does not always be aware about the expenditure of proper time. To him to more easily check the time, expended not by the most interesting and not most pleasant for itself means. About the productivity of the spent time it recalls rarely, and only if it notes for itself some its achievements: "4 it is today for six hour work it carried out one-and-a-half standards!"

    He tries not to place to itself distant purposes and not to construct extensive plan. Its own plans change depending on circumstances, but their changeability and inconsistency, as has already been spoken, it little confuses it.

    8th Function - Fe, Extraverted Ethics

    Since Huxley is subconsiously oriented to the painfully receptive to the the emotional it vozdeyst to viyu Of gabena, he expresses his emotions in that form, into which entire more conveniently to receive his their dualu, i.e., as if ponaroshku, as it is half-serious and is slightly theatrical. Moreover this nature of emotions in Huxley is expressed precisely subconsiously - the circumstance, which especially prevents the representatives of other psychological types from receiving Huxley's feelings in that measure, in which they are meant for it very.

    In all, except Gabena, is created the impression, that Huxley's emotions are inadequate situation, to which it reacts. Many it seems by hypocrite, by clown, by toady - by whom it is convenient, only by not by itself itself. That that Huxley seemingly demonstrates his emotions, this by all is evident and by all is understandable. It is evident that it seemingly will carry them to the review it is apparent that it always controls the impression produced. But it is difficult to itself to represent that all this it makes unconsciously. Willows the same time precisely this occurs. Huxley has seemingly subconsious regulator of emotions, which will carry them to the defined angle of expression, i.e. it expresses as with the distortion. The expression of eyes frequently does not coincide with the expression of the remaining part of face: view is obtained either fawning or slipping off, or deliberately indifferent; smile frequently being promising, ambiguous.

    Impression frequently is created, that Huxley does not react to the collocutor as much as precisely "accompanies" to it. The visibility of some experiences, feelings and moods tries to fall in the tone or tries to create the created mood.

    Becoming acquainted with the new person, by Huxley demonstratively expresses its admiration and fascination im. especially this noticeably in journalist- Huxley, that interview someone of popular actors or celebrities: Huxley not only with the enthusiastic adoration looks to collocutor into the eyes (associating, Huxley constantly glances into the eyes, creating thereby the sensation of the special intimacy of contact - "close contact"), but also, which characteristically, sometimes frequently repeats by lips the motion of its lips, as if duplicating its words.

    Sometimes Huxley reacts in the manner that to him it seems necessary to react in this situation, which is especially characteristic for the demonstratively expressed emotions (which, in turn, are always the consequence of problematic logic). I.e., emotion express themselves as on the written scenario, and by Huxley like as to themselves both scenario and director.

    Huxley reacts in earnest only in the case of the end experiences, moreover can itself "wind" and bring to hysterics (, in addition on the basis of some its, logical stereotypes).

    Whatever situation, impression is created, that Huxley as if measures off the necessary quantity of emotions, in order to influence necessarily; as if in it stands some subconscious "counter", which coordinates its emotions, relative to the emotions of its partner. (this I actually so - otherwise, besproblemnye relations with its dualom Gabenom for Huxley they would be simply impossible.)

    In the perception of the negative emotions of Huxley we always painfully wound: if we it frankly offend, it will sincerely suffer, although it can completely oppositely to this react. But in the plan of the expression of Huxley's emotions the most delicate and most tactful means of emotional action are selected first of all, since podsoznatel' about is oriented to "trudnoprobivayemogo" Gabena, which is fenced off from any kind of negative emotions by the impenetrable armor. (action in other emotional regime Gabenom either not at all it is received or it requires of its partner of the exorbitant expenditure of forces and energy, which usually leads the partners to the physical and emotional overvoltage psychologically incompatible with it.) Only emotional regime of Huxley is optimal for Gabena and it is always adequately by it received.
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    What is going on? Classic forum members are coming back to life at once! O_O It seems automated though. Anyways, I'll get around to reading this article when I find the time.
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    *** READERS BEWARE*** Wrong wrong wrong!! Stratiyevskaya’s description of the IEE is absolutely incorrect and is in fact the exact description of the other (real) side of the SEE!! Reading this description however, has given me tremendous insight into the ACTUAL SEE that no other socionics description touches on (other than the Oldham description).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxy View Post
    *** READERS BEWARE*** Wrong wrong wrong!! Stratiyevskaya’s description of the IEE is absolutely incorrect and is in fact the exact description of the other (real) side of the SLI!! Reading this description however, has given me tremendous insight into the ACTUAL SLI that no other socionics description touches on (other than the Oldham description).
    hahahhaah u are completely right this is so bizzare
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    Interesting, @Foxy. I haven't time to read it all, but I read alot of the category of our 2nd function, Fi, and it does sound like me - excepty, it solunds like a Gamma's interpretaiuon of me. Is the author a Gamma? Almost seems like a SEE! As if it were an outsiders view of ENFp.

    Yet, even so, if I had read this description of Fi without knowing what type it was describing, I would say it was describing ENFp more than anyone else. Definitely not a SLI! Some of those relationship "game" descriptions are beyond my ethics but I would say I was capable of that.
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    Yeah, that's a shitty description, the author has a problem with understanding what functions are about and adds her own "creativity". Let's take a look on the Ne part:

    "Due to their developed intuition, representatives of this type also work well in medicine. They, as a rule, are great diagnosticians, capable of diagnosing sicknesses at the earliest stages of their development by their most remote and subtle symptoms." - Si>N

    "They enjoy creating competitive situations for themselves and improvised tests, checks, and examinations for other people. Huxley is usually sufficiently jealous of the achievements of other people and unwillingly recognizes another person's superiority. If the IEE does complement and flatter another person, it is usually someone who is of no challenge and measure to themselves, or whose positive deposition the IEE is trying to win over." - Se valuing

    "Heightened expectation of his own possibilities and potential leads the IEE to acknowledge the significance of such factor as success. Success, for the IEE, is the norm. The absence of success usually makes the IEE feel apprehensive that something isn't right. Such "program" function demand towards themselves does not allow representatives of this type to make mistakes or miscalculations - they cannot afford this, as realization of failure greatly lowers their self-esteem and their perception of their own possibilities. Thus, in any situation and under any circumstances, the IEE tries to "be at a height", or at least create an image of it for the public. ("How you present yourself is how other people will perceive you." - Se+Fe

    "The IEE considers it necessary to win over the attention of surrounding people and keep it at any price - this for him is a kind of training of his "intuition of success". Many representatives of this type, particularly in the childhood and in the youth, constantly "pull" attention to themselves. The IEE feels irritated and nervous if his presence is ignored, while being successful at gaining the attention of others Huxley literally "blooms": he tries to show himself in the most interesting and original light (and in this it's better to not compete with him). But if the IEE, nevertheless, does not feel sufficient level of interest in himself, he demonstratively ignores all those being present, which constitutes a kind of a challenge thrown to society, as well as another method of drawing attention to himself." - Se+Fe

    ""To enjoy success", "to win over popularity", "to retain popularity and keep at a height" - all of these "exploits" of same order are achievements that have paramount significance for representatives of this type. For this very reason, many IEEs have a tendency toward audacious, provocative, extravagant behavior and staging daring "ethical experiments". Many of them, even at an old age, have the ability to ridicule, to tease, to mimic, to play tricks and make jokes. (Which is not always done sensitively and appropriately.)" - Se+Fe

    "IEEs love to boast. They frequently tell stories of their successes with representatives of the opposite sex, or how they have easily found an original way out of a difficult situation. An impression arises that the IEE doesn't even realize that such stories inspire his listeners to follow his example, although they are told precisely to this end. Even if IEE's "exploits" and "successes" are imagined from the beginning to the end, it is nevertheless interesting for him to look at how others will attempt doing what he, in reality, wouldn't dare to try (but which he has described very colorfully from his imagination)." Fe, weak valued Se

    "Of course the IEE almost always accurately determines precisely which "bait" to use, which argument will "buy" the interest and attention of the person whom he has selected for his "experiment"" - Fe

    "With all his seeming outward light-mindedness and recklessness - he is actually very careful and prudent; therefore, he prefers to travel by the beaten paths, but even in such case he tries to arrive first at any cost and "get the prize". (He may also "intercept" prize just before the finish line, which, in his eyes does not in any shape or form diminish the value of the victory, but, on the contrary, only increases it.)" - Se valuing

    "The IEE knows how to present his own abilities, possibilities, degrees, merits and qualifications in the most advantageous light, irrespective of their actual level and value. Frequently he "bluffs" and does not fear to be exposed at this, since he considers his actions to be a kind of test or experiment: if his self-advertisement is successful - all is well, if not - this is also not terrible." - Fe

    "This ease in acknowledgement of his errors is explained by the fact that the IEE, generally speaking, never considers himself to be at fault or guilty of anything, but he willingly creates an outward image of repentance and self-criticism when he considers it necessary to "play along" with another person. Sometimes the "acknowledgement of his own errors" - is an advantageous ethical trick or tactical catch for him." - Fe

    "Modesty, in IEE's eyes, is not a virtue, although absence of modesty in other people he sharply condemns (which is means for him to slow down someone else's initiative-taking). And even though the IEE tries to show and broadcast his own individuality at every convenient (and inconvenient) situation, he critically refers to any manifestations of individuality from other people. In any sphere of his activity the IEE makes notes to himself which person is a competitor for him and who does not present any challenge. Those persons whom he does not see as his rivals, and whose attention and support he intends to gain, the IEE knows how to cheer up, to support, to inspire. But he will for sure find means and methods "to cut the wings" of any person who is able in any way to stand in his way." - Se+Fe, great description of Beta quadra gone wrong btw.

    I'll stop here, it's beating a dead horse at this point.

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    If memory serves me right, I think I liked Beskova's SLI description the best. Is her IEE one any good?

    I can't bother to look it up on this forum, but I'm sure it's posted somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    If memory serves me right, I think I liked Beskova's SLI description the best. Is her IEE one any good?

    I can't bother to look it up on this forum, but I'm sure it's posted somewhere.
    https://wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=Socionics_Type_Profiles_by_Beskova #IEE_(Huxley)

    It's good but not perfect, I read both IEE and SLI descriptions and preferred the latter. It focuses on the curiosity aspect of Ne and makes IEE look more oriented toward meeting with people and trying novel activities than they usually are. Still miles better than that power-hungry social manipulator whom Strat called IEE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    If memory serves me right, I think I liked Beskova's SLI description the best. Is her IEE one any good?

    I can't bother to look it up on this forum, but I'm sure it's posted somewhere.
    Yeah as @qaz00 said it’s alright, not very accurate but I mean this description here is of a completely different type all together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VewyScawwyNawcissist View Post
    hahahhaah u are completely right this is so bizzare
    I was wrong not SLI… the description above is the description of the SEE
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    Quote Originally Posted by qaz00 View Post

    "Due to their developed intuition, representatives of this type also work well in medicine. They, as a rule, are great diagnosticians, capable of diagnosing sicknesses at the earliest stages of their development by their most remote and subtle symptoms." - Si>N
    I didn't read your points but I did stop at this one. Why though?
    @Tallmo would argue differently.
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    Originally Posted by qaz00

    "Due to their developed intuition, representatives of this type also work well in medicine. They, as a rule, are great diagnosticians, capable of diagnosing sicknesses at the earliest stages of their development by their most remote and subtle symptoms." - Si>N


    Quote Originally Posted by Rusal View Post
    I didn't read your points but I did stop at this one. Why though?
    @Tallmo would argue differently.
    Not Si imo. Seems like qaz00 is associating Si with health ~ diagnostics. But Si is only health as inner impressions, in your own body. Diagnosing sickness seems like intuition and maybe Thinking to me. However, Si can maybe spark an interest in these things, but no direct connection.
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

    (Jung on Si)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    Not Si imo. Seems like qaz00 is associating Si with health ~ diagnostics. But Si is only health as inner impressions, in your own body. Diagnosing sickness seems like intuition and maybe Thinking to me. However, Si can maybe spark an interest in these things, but no direct connection.
    Si should be better in detecting "the most remote and subtle symptoms" and connecting them with health conditions. It's Si types who are the most attuned to their inner sensations, and by own experience can observe similar things in others. When I look at someone, it's much easier for me to notice that someone looks unhealthy in some way and think of possible reasons than recognize their feelings or generally what's going on in their minds, IEEs should be the opposite. Intuition is also helpful in diagnosing, but IMO in other cases, like when symptoms are easy to detect but difficult to match with a disease because it's rare or there's more than one condition and symptoms overlap, trying to tell probability of what could cause a disease, to choose a correct diagnostic route based on various info about patient. The quote from IEE description seemed closer to Si part of medicine than N part to me, I'm aware that both are important.

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    Dunno about Strat's descriptions, she describes ethical extroverts like evil monsters and always describes some monstrosity commited by x or y ethical extrovert as being due to type.


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    Quote Originally Posted by qaz00 View Post
    https://wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=Socionics_Type_Profiles_by_Beskova #IEE_(Huxley)

    It's good but not perfect, I read both IEE and SLI descriptions and preferred the latter. It focuses on the curiosity aspect of Ne and makes IEE look more oriented toward meeting with people and trying novel activities than they usually are. Still miles better than that power-hungry social manipulator whom Strat called IEE.
    I read through the female portrait and I agree. It mostly focuses on Ne with some bits of Fi and Fe thrown in. And there seems to be an overemphasis on sociability and extraversion.

    I used to not pay attention to IEE descriptions as they always seemed vague, unrelatable and all over the place. Can you guys point me to some sensible and balanced IEE description? Preferably one that's consistent with Model A and Jungian roots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qaz00 View Post
    Still miles better than that power-hungry social manipulator whom Strat called IEE.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    Dunno about Strat's descriptions, she describes ethical extroverts like evil monsters and always describes some monstrosity commited by x or y ethical extrovert as being due to type.
    Could this be (at least partly) due to cultural/demographic bias?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    Could this be (at least partly) due to cultural/demographic bias?
    Could what be?

    I don't think that Strat's descriptions are innacurate, just that they almost always seem to represent unhealthy tendencies of types, and this is attributed to the type itself, when in fact it is simply the way the type is when unhealthy.


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    Si should be better in detecting "the most remote and subtle symptoms" and connecting them with health conditions. It's Si types who are the most attuned to their inner sensations, and by own experience can observe similar things in others.
    I understand, but I don't think that the connection from own inner sensations to observing this in others works. It's too big a leap. Si is too primitive for that. That requires intuition/thinking. Te is good at diagnosing, in a way you could say that's what Te is all about: putting labels on the phenomena around us to make sense of it, to make the world visible as concepts.

    IEEs should be the opposite.
    In my experience they can be good at diagnosing a lot of things, seeing beyond the surface of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    Could what be?
    The author's tendency to include or emphasize certain (anti)social behaviors, mannerisms and attitudes. Namely the ones that have been pointed out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    I understand, but I don't think that the connection from own inner sensations to observing this in others works. It's too big a leap.
    I agree. Maybe a Si lead pays attention to his state when he's uncomfortable and some level of comfort is a priority and seeks to extend that care to others as s/he might think others function similarly, as we all do in some degree. But it's unlikely that that extends to picking on subtle symptoms that physicians remember from a book and finding a possible cause. Strati is talking about combinatorial ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusal View Post
    I agree. Maybe a Si lead pays attention to his state when he's uncomfortable and some level of comfort is a priority and seeks to extend that care to others as s/he might think others function similarly, as we all do in some degree.
    Yes, that's how I see it also. And caregiving is not really Si, but more inspired by it. As you said, to extend it to others. Some do it, some don't.

    But it's unlikely that that extends to picking on subtle symptoms that physicians remember from a book and finding a possible cause. Strati is talking about combinatorial ability.
    Si is pretty clueless about real things even though it is an immediate sensing experience. It works on a genuine primordial level. Everything is sensed as wrapped in some impressionistic veil.
    The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qaz00 View Post

    "They enjoy creating competitive situations for themselves and improvised tests, checks, and examinations for other people. Huxley is usually sufficiently jealous of the achievements of other people and unwillingly recognizes another person's superiority. If the IEE does complement and flatter another person, it is usually someone who is of no challenge and measure to themselves, or whose positive deposition the IEE is trying to win over." - Se valuing
    Not true, Te hidden agenda comes into play. It is indeed true of all IEEs that I know.

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