Jadae, explain to me how woof is EJ instead of EP.
Jadae, explain to me how woof is EJ instead of EP.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Oh, sure. First, he becomes livid when something or others do not follow through. This is a fairly classic Tj trait, especially in males, where they drown in the thought that that someone else cannot think as they do. This sort of block follows anger then sorrow. Classic!Originally Posted by Gilly
His thought process is a continuous stream. Granted, its a discontinuous-continuous stream, but it does not stop from one part to the next. This is dynamic extraversion.
He is neither an aggressor or an infantile, which are Ep traits. Even though he is good at initiating something, like some aggressors do, his mode of operation is to initate, bait, and play. If someone were to agress him, he would give in, because that is what he wants. That is what he needs.
He is not an Ep because he is not consistant. Ep types are static types, and even though Ep types are irrational in their output, they follow consistant short-term patterns. Ej types simply flow, or surge, like water down whatever path, from one related point to another. An Ej types consistancy, then, is seen over a longer span of time.
Last, and there is more but Im not going to write a novel, w00f has absolutely horrible will-power (Se), nor is he interested in forcing his will on others (outward) or himself (inward). He is much like throwing a baseball at floating water, as he plays with the ball as it passes through him. Any force he displays is fairly fleeting -- he is much better at simply ignoring reality on himself.
Eh, that just sounds like a 7. Se types don't always want to force themselves on others, they're just good at it, lol. IME EJs seem more eager to foist their beliefs/initiatives/whatever onto others, whereas Se types just kind of catch people in their wake, which seems much more like woof to me.
Also he's much too naturally expressive for a Serious, Logical type.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
The social flirtiness and the tangential habits are 7, but thats about where the line stops.
I have no idea why you think a Ej would do as such described? This is a perpetua problem our forum has created -- the creation of social constructs as types based on limited information and subjective ideas. When will we, the forum as a whole, realize that it does not work and never did work?
I'm not saying that all EJs do it. It's not a social construct; it's just something I've observed.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Correct, but what if that observation was plied by prior social construct? I'm not saying I am not guilty of this sin, fwiw.
If I questioned every one of my conclusions in such a fashion, I would never make any conclusions. Of course I try just as hard as anyone to eliminate my own perceptual bias, and I think I do a decent job.
Can we move on with the discussion now?
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
If you want. I was thinking of contrasting descriptions of Ej dominant and Ep creative descriptions.
[QUOTE=Jadae;923497]Oh, sure. First, he becomes livid when something or others do not follow through. This is a fairly classic Tj trait, especially in males, where they drown in the thought that that someone else cannot think as they do. This sort of block follows anger then sorrow. Classic!
His thought process is a continuous stream. Granted, its a discontinuous-continuous stream, but it does not stop from one part to the next. This is dynamic extraversion.
He is neither an aggressor or an infantile, which are Ep traits. Even though he is good at initiating something, like some aggressors do, his mode of operation is to initate, bait, and play. If someone were to agress him, he would give in, because that is what he wants. That is what he needs.
He is not an Ep because he is not consistant. Ep types are static types, and even though Ep types are irrational in their output, they follow consistant short-term patterns. Ej types simply flow, or surge, like water down whatever path, from one related point to another. An Ej types consistancy, then, is seen over a longer span of time.
Last, and there is more but Im not going to write a novel, w00f has absolutely horrible will-power (Se), nor is he interested in forcing his will on others (outward) or himself (inward). He is much like throwing a baseball at floating water, as he plays with the ball as it passes through him. Any force he displays is fairly fleeting -- he is much better at simply ignoring reality on himself.[/QUOTE]
I think the key here is to note what is frustrating him: the lack of will-to-power type activity (Ni-Se dynamic), and since he lives by his LII mom, I totally get it. My EII mom's rhythm annoys the shit out of me and makes me seem EJ-ish, I'm sure.
I would say that could ALSO be irrationality. Ep/Ip > Ej/Ij....since I'm also that way if I just let myself perceive.
He initiates with me. He does play. How would you define someone aggressing him? If his reaction would be a quiet appreciation and intimacy, I've gotten that with ESFps who finally feel met in intensity, etc (like the erotic types description depict with Aggressors interacting with 'Victims') once I make a Pseudo-Aggressor move, as an ILI. Also, I read the descriptions of romance types that have been further extrapolated and explained beyond the DarkAngelFireWolf69 theory, and I identify them as much more realistic for my Gamma NT friends' and my behavior than DarkAngelFireWolf69's, and Woof's would fit the pseudo-victim's well: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...otic-Attitudes
He's pretty consistent in his ideals and social friendliness and diet/exercise
I found the opposite. In fact, he got on my inertia-prone, ILI ass about getting stuff done that I want to do, specifically getting my computer set-up with Ubuntu.It was very good for me and challenging but not pushy. I didn't experience it with annoyance so much as with a vulnerable feeling of sensing a personal weakness.
My experience of woof is that he's got this E7 kind of liveliness. And I don't feel threatened like I do around some EJ types that I wouldn't be able to intervene well if the person got violent. Woof listens to me when I critique his social behavior, so that's one more reason we might be duals.
[QUOTE=nanashi;923521]Er, that is not an Fi type, however. That is someone that is weak at, but reciprocates, Fi. It also helps that youre female. Men LOVE this crap. "Me? Bad?!?!" While secretly rolling in the attention for it. Trust me. I'd know =/
That was the most beautiful post Ive ever seen before, btw.
[QUOTE=Jadae;923524]Lol this last part is so true
Ethical types aren't always super ethical in the normal sense of the word, though, or even necessarily aware of social norms that a logical type might not be; its more that their incorporation of these norms into their behavior takes less effort. I can easily see a Te ego "coaching" an Fi ego on social expectations, especially more concrete ones. Remember Fi is INTROVERTED ethics.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I've noted this at some point, too, and while we're on quoting profiles and committing confirmation bias some months ago I was doing translations of Beskova's profiles and couldn't help myself but notice woof's similarity to the male ENFp one, especially the parts about "reckless character" and emphasis on ease and informality in relationships, so I'll throw it out as a possibility that what you're seeing may be Ne that in combination with experiential/experimental orientation of core type 7 is masking itself as Se:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...NFp-by-Beskova
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Friendly and well-wishing disposition, encouraging smile and endless enthusiasm - all this distinguishes the real HUXLEY. Magnificent haircut - in short or long version - usually creates an artistic mess on his head. This same mess can reign in his clothing - a jacket negligently thrown on top of a sports shirt, an open coat with a loosely hanging scarf - all this looks unconstrained and elegant, reflecting a certain recklessness inherent in his character.
Sometimes one can encounter thorough and disciplined men of this type, however the majority of representatives of this type have an inherent scatterbrainess and vague ideas about order. Instead, they know how to be liked by others. Thanks to this, all their matters usually become resolved.
HUXLEY is sincere, direct, resourceful, charming, and it takes him no effort to establish contact with somebody with use of unconstrained jokes and welcoming looks, everywhere he wishes - on the street, public transport, shops, university campus, bank, ministry etc. He does not feel subordination and acts naturally around any managers, knowing with certainty, that any official is first and foremost a person. And people - both on the street and in the high offices - are inclined to respond to the requests of this good-natured, calm, sincere man, while he will never forget to charmingly smile in return.
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In childhood - he is a merry, dreamy and enterprising boy, who is never bored. In fact, life is full of such interesting things! And from all this, of course, the most interesting for him are the people. They go to school mostly in order to observe teachers, trying to understand their characters, and also in order to socialize with friends. Socializing for him is always meaningful. However, as far as content is concerned, only those HUXLEYs are successful at studies, who have a good memory. Otherwise, he has to spend the whole summer learning the multiplication table, which may literally poison his life.
During teenage period HUXLEY starts to pump up his muscles, so he would look like a "real man". Afterwards, many of them for the same reason regularly engage in sport, although for them it's doubtful pleasure.
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On the other hand HUXLEY has lots of friends, and even more acquaintances. He is liked by everyone and everyone is ready to spend time with him because a positive energy is coming from him and life is boiling around him.
Generally, informal relationships is their domain. Through friends and acquaintances he learns about life, moreover precisely socializing helps to broaden his horizon and acquire knowledge in most various of fields. That does not mean that he knows about everything only by hearsay (although partly it is true). Simply friends and acquaintances hint what would be better to read a little, where and what to watch, on what to focus attention. He does not like the idea of standard education where you need to regulary attend classes and take exams. However he has enormous curiosity to everything around him and he is ready to learn about world in its various forms (and later on - of course - discuss it with friends). Indeed HUXLEY not only curious but also thoughtful young man and for him it is important not only to know but also understand what caught his interest.
Since HUXLEY moves through life with unusual ease, he can successfully be pleased by a quiet, calm and thorough girl. Its only needed for her to attentively listen to his reasonings and support his notions.
In a group often HUXLEY is the best storyteller, knows how to inspire everyone, involve, entertain, shake them up. It happens that guests just gather and sit and only when HUXLEY comes the party starts.
Actually, this young man does not go astray under any circumstances, does not fall in spirit of any hardships. To the contrary, in situations where you need to quickly find a way out, in stressful situations, mobilization of all his charm and resourcefulness helps him to keep up the tone. If life came to a stagnation, friends left somewhere or are always busy, at work every day the same thing, then its not that far from depression.
HUXLEY becomes serious about marriage usually quite late. Until 40 years they are attracted to freedom and an enormous amount of opportunity that they always see within arms reach. To get acquainted and fall in love head over heels does not take great effort of him. If the beautiful girls were not that abundant then maybe he would stop somewhat earlier. So even if HUXLEY married a bit sooner due to "big love" (and he falls in love easily), then most likely soon will follow a divorce, after that - sexual freedom and new, bright victories at the love front.
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Since HUXLEY is oriented at originality, he likes to invent and refine something. At this he may be really talented. So his improved object might be unique and you wont find another one like that, however it will always be brought to operating condition.
The main enemy in HUXLEY's life - formalities of any kind, from filling receipts for rent to various rules and agreements. So this part of everyday problems better be handled by his wife.
Men of this type do not fit into the measured, standardized life of society easily. Thing is that he with difficulty handles mundane, routine work. He needs at least some freedom, so he is better suited for work that is related to business trips or having a more loose schedule, where he for example is giving lectures. He finds the use of his talents in many humanitarian fields, works well with adults as well as with children.
Last edited by silke; 12-18-2012 at 12:53 AM.
[Today 07:09 PM]woofwoofl:I know! that's what drives me nuts, that I could be allocating my time, effort, and energy towards thngs that are guaranteed to be productive, not some crapshoot argghhh
lmao
That's why he needs not only an empathetic dual, but one who also is strict and demanding of him.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
He likes things with predictive behaviors. I dont think people sometimes see what he is doing when he is being a sexual ho bag, which is that he WANTS to get called on and "caught" for doing it. These two ideas relate.
??? i don't mind woofie being a ho bag
so you don't mind his playful nature?
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
i'm uncomfortable
that's what we mean, he makes you uncomfortable but needs a morally strict dual to guide him in that regard; I can't do it!
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Its not about that, specifically, but the way in which he does it, which allures attention to him in a way in which he wants to be "reprimanded." In other words, in a real world context, he realizes these sorts of boundaries and has a desire to feel them -- whatever the context may be, good or bad.
I dont mind it either.
*rifles in her closet for the whip*
with this topic or his ho bagin' (lol)?
oh my...
Lungs, do you recall that one time on TC when you came down on him about something you disagreed with and he became very serious after that? That's what he's looking for. I wish I made a note of what the topic was. I just was distracted
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Woofie don't care, bitches.
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with the all serious "this is why you guys are duals" talk. its all good fun until maritsa starts getting serious about wedding plans.
i don't remember either
eh, its just an example. its not about youuuuuuuuuu. youre just convenient /coldshame
*shrug* You could say this is "Victim" behavior, but really I've observed this kind of thing in SLEs and SEEs just as often, if not more than in Ni egos. Also it seems to me that he is kind of running around spurting off energy and doing "awesome" things without any sense of direction or focus, not knowing which direction to point his energy in basically, which seems completely characteristic of Ni seeking behavior.
I really don't know how you can see him as anything other than EP if you've seen him on cam and interacted with him.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Ive interacted with him more than the majority here. I can prove it by all the random rapes marks on my ass.
Then we are wearing different tinted glasses because he seems like about the most EP-EP I have ever known.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Okay
I get pissed at them!not "pissed" so much as "somewhat annoyed, slightly amused, and totally bewildered"...
It's rarely anything too severe, but yeah, stuff like the aforementioned; this certain reckless, arrogant, goofy stuff that I just don't get, and when it makes me laugh, I wonder if I'm laughing @ the "wrong" stuff. Usually a lot of me thinking "what the hell are you doing? good god" @ most everything, especially the terrible, terrible singing... for the life of me, I have no idea if it's supposed to drop me to the ground with laughter, or what exactly (the one Ne-LII buddy did awesome as hell fart noises all the time, which were usually bookended by what sounded like impersonations of Macho Man Randy Savage and/or the Slim Jim guy)...
With the Ti-LIIs, it's a bit different:
And that's if they talk at all! I know another in particular, and he almost never says stuff!
Woofwoofl, I was wondering if you have an opinion on Aimee Mann's type. Ashton typed her LII in this thread:
http://forum.socionix.com/topic/4056-aimee-mann/
Because of that I think she might be LII-Ti (Normalizing subtype) [LII-ESI]. Do you think she's your conflictor?
There's no way woof has a Si PoLR. In fact, I was recently thinking that he actually seems pretty Si focused.
Multiple things to cover here!
First off, the fry-jacker was likely a stray Te-ILI who, due to spending too much time around douchebags, decided somewhere along the line that it would be a good idea to try to emulate them. Thankfully, this terrible douche-plague has only momentarily infested me at a clothing level a year or so back, and still, my choices in Buckle apparel were in relatively good taste.
Second, I'm not going with any hard-and-fast self-typing, aside from some obscure notation I put in my TIM field, which means digging into my typing will require digging into the more esoteric depths of the theory.
As far as Ms. Mann, she did a song with Rush; I got Geddy at Ti-ILE 6w7, Neil at LII 5w6 sp/so, and Alex loosely as Alpha SF, but anything simultaneously Sensory and Judicious works for me. Saw a few interviews, awe!! LII works totally. While we're at it, let's bring Kim Gordon into LII too...
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Oh hey, this thread was made by that jackass Jadae.
All of the sudden, once he got together with Maritsa, he came forward with an LIE typing, and she's had (and has) me as LIE. Almost like the guy had some ulterior motives or something. Didn't take a hell of a lot of detective work to figure that one out. Good riddance, and death to chickenshack forever.
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Thanks for offering your opinion on Aimee Mann's type. Yeah, Ashton originated the LII typing and it's cool to see that someone else agrees. And I agree with typing Kim Gordon LII as well, since I think she kind of hates SLE-Se Courtney Love, as far as I know. Something I once read made it seem like Kim Gordon thought that Courtney Love might've had something to do with Kurt Cobain's death or that there was something suspicious. I'm not really a Nirvana fan that much, although I like some of their songs (even though the last time I listened to Nirvana was a long time ago); yet maybe Kim Gordon et al. are right. I knew two male psychiatrists who thought for sure (or possibly) that Courtney Love killed him. I don't know. I'm just not convinced it was a suicide. Then again, maybe it was.
EDIT: Here's the Aimee Mann thread (I voted for LII):
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...277-Aimee-Mann
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