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    Quote Originally Posted by davez View Post
    It was kind of provocative question, unfortunately my nature is a little skeptic and questioning. Probably thats why priest kicked me from Confirmation after week lol.
    This is a somewhat familiar story. I rejected the idea of christian salvation through confession at age five and became a militant atheist after reading the bible at age eight. When I was forced to attend confirmation classes at age twelve the only thing that got me through those two years was the promise of a computer after graduation, and I challenged every assumption and absurdity of faith along the way. The pastor was an ok guy though, so I let him off the hook each time he got frustrated with my questions and told me, "I don't know, man. It's in the book somewhere."

    Quote Originally Posted by davez View Post
    But thank you for putting it in right words and ensuring that it's right to question.
    No problem.

    OK, I've asked a lot from you, and your extra effort of interpreting these philosophical quotes is appreciated and interesting, so here's my analysis. Feel free to correct me if I've misinterpreted anything.

    First of all, you've quoted people who are all Ni thinkers by my reckoning (and Jung's with regard to Goethe, who he said was an Fe/Ni ego), so if we take that at face value it points to a Decisive orientation, i.e. valuing Ni/Se, which is characteristic of Beta and Gamma quadras.

    Quote Originally Posted by davez View Post
    "You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist." - Nietzsche

    Comment: It's simple and I like it because perspective is subjective, and truth isn't something you can define easily in words. Surely this quote encourages to strengthen your own opinions as long as they are under healthy, thoughtful, and not-violent influences.
    There are strong echoes here of pyrrhonian skepticism and existentialism, which is another prominent indicator of Ni being front and center in your worldview. Epistemically I think it points to Te as well. It's also a dynamic and irrational attitude in that it maintains a distance from definite claims of truth, though it's also paradoxical in that it asserts, "The truth is that there are both many truths and no truth!" That you're able to see this as sensible, however, points to dialectical-algorithmic cognition. What also catches my eye is that you seem to have come to this forum with the intention of reaching an open-ended goal through dialogue instead of trying to advance linearly toward a fixed target like a static/rational person is often inclined to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by davez View Post
    "In heaven, all the interesting people are missing." - Nietzsche

    Comment: Maybe it's over interpretation but I think he attacks concept of heaven as irrational place achieved with stripping self from any pleasures or good. Instead one should gradually create concept of good(<- probably a bad definition of Axiology)
    Here's another point for being conscious of moral relativism in a way that treats it as being real/natural, and understanding one's own responsibility in defining the good and bad through experiential accumulation and analysis. Since relativism gives priority to the subjective we'll call this type of morality introverted ethics, or Fi. Fi (and Te) is a valued function shared by the two Serious quadras, Gamma and Delta.

    Quote Originally Posted by davez View Post
    "What is good? All that heightens the feeling of power, power itself in man. What is bad? All that proceeds from weakness." - Nietzsche

    Comment: I like how this one is connected to psychology. Basically I understand this as a process of understanding self, so the ambitions for power don't come from unfulfilled inner world, but for a higher purpose. So the person is likely to strive for good more than someone who just wants power because of lack of it inside his head.
    Se is often associated with power, though I think of it in broader terms as representing concrete actuality, of embodied experience itself. What Interests me is that your thought on power is also concerned with its rightful development and direction, which is to say that you've assigned ethical values of merit and motivation to it. Another way to look at this in the context of Model A is that you've blocked Se with Fi, which is characteristic of Gamma quadra, and since it seems you regard this as an area requiring improvement I'd say it isn't your strong suit. That is, you're T > F. So if we go in the prevailing direction indicated by my reading of available evidence then this shows a likelihood of your being a Gamma NT, either ILI or LIE. We haven't discussed things that might reveal more about temperament, like your work and social life, so I'll leave it to you to decide which one makes more sense. I also leave open the possibility of IEI (and some of our IEIs demonstrate quite clearly that being an ethical ego is no guarantee of emotional control), but so far that seems doubtful. I suggest cross-referencing with enneagram to help with that and general self-discovery. Here are two good articles:

    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...-Pay-Attention
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ightened-Being

    Quote Originally Posted by davez View Post
    I hope my deductions have any sense
    It did if my commentary makes sense to you in return. Your interpretations also put a new spin on some old ideas for me, so I appreciate the food for thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by davez View Post
    when I think of it and have this understand in my head I feel this whole concept which i want to express so strongly i just start typing more with hunch and feeling than logic lol. I'll just throw in few quotes, i thought adding two or three comments might give some idea of way i deduce things.
    Yeah, good effort. And your grasp of English and philosophy are obviously good enough for you to have some fun here if you stick around. I'm going to shut up for now and see what others might have to say, but I'll chime in again if anything needs clarification or new ideas appear.

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