Two more that I like:
These photos are all of my own creation, so think what you will.
Two more that I like:
These photos are all of my own creation, so think what you will.
Too many movies.Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan
On to the core: can any of you that have dealt with me describe why you believe which side of the Te : Fi dichotomy you see me within, where each is placed, and why you believe so. I realize this is a lot to ask. Further, the same could be asked of Si : Ni, but that seems like a lot to ask for.
I have always been Jadae, but I was absent for like 2 years or so.
Regarding non-ENFj, I do not think the information everyone has is consistant or unbiased.
I haven't read a single post here with good examples and explanations and good reasoning. And, your signature suggests the opposite valuing of Fe
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Books I typically keep/read:
Science
Psychology
Sociology
Architecture/Landscape Architecture
Horticulture
Drafting/Design
I do not read or keep non-fiction. I seriously hate non-fiction, which makes me feel bad when people ask, "Have you read such and such?" I simply cannot read that fluff. I read from any point in which I need to. I never read from front to back. I like to apprach books in two ways: what is essential to know and how the book is engineered so that I understand how everything works together.
The expression answer was that I was agitated that my then gf was taking photographs of me while I was driving, especially because it was hypocritical of her to do so and we were late, but I also adored her at that time. It is a mixed expression.
Here is a post from another forum so you can all see how I type in a non-socionics related way:
Tequila x Roar!
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PacificJade [ PM ]
Tequila x Roar!
August 14, 2012
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Interesting plant. It has grandiflora-sized blooms in pure golden buff, but the plant is healthy, and it is very large and free-branching. I have never really seen a plant like it before, but it seems to have taken on Bonica's traits, including low thorn count, yet they are all HT-sized plant parts.
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Here is Shadow Ninja, my older hybrid. I finally have proof that when it gets above 90 degrees, the petals turn black-purple, but they do not burn. When it is very cool, they become russet. I named it after a friend, who fancies himself a ninja, lol.
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Zone 8B, Pacific Northwest, USA
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Kim Rupert [ PM ]
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Those are a couple of nice ones, Michael. Congratulations!
Kim
Encino, CA Sunset Zone cusp of 18/19
USDA Zone 10a per the new interactive USDA Zone Map
Though both are massaged quite a bit by mountainous terrain and occasional coastal influence.
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david mears [ PM ]
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Michael, the yellow is magnificent, I guess it is one that you have bred ?
Regards David
In Mudgee
In NSW
In Australia
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PacificJade [ PM ]
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Thank you both. Yeah, these are both my babies. The yellow is a hybrid of my hybrid. People liked Roar! but I was not happy with a 1990s style "Flori-Tea" (like French Lace). I wanted something from it in which could produce more. I also want to create floribundas which do not need to be grafted. I understand grafting as a utility for faster production, but I think that is a myth, which can be easily seen as false with roses like Knock Out. I think I can do more with this yellow seedling.
Zone 8B, Pacific Northwest, USA
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Adam Eckstein [ PM ]
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The coloring on the second one is intriging but I think I like the light yellow better. But they both look very nice.
Adam
Fort Collins, Colorado
USDA zone 5a
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Rob Byrnes [ PM ]
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great color on both of these Michael. Is there fragrance?
Rob
Historic Village of Roebling, NJ
On the banks of the Delaware River
Zone 6b
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JStover [ PM ]
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August 14, 2012
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Michael:
you said, "I also want to create floribundas which do not need to be grafted."
I have a few floribundas that I'm trying to root right now hoping to find those that will root easily. I guess rooting technique will also make a difference. So far Julia Child and Iceberg are proving to be easy.
What is your selection process for this?
Jeff Stover
Monterey County, California
USDA Zone 9
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jriekstins [ PM ]
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The buff color is just gorgeous, and the whole plant sounds great. Nothing wrong with a large shrub with a nice repeating crop of color. Looks like it will have some nice clustered bloom if the flowers last a bit. Does this plant take the heat well, also? Post a photo of a full bloom if possible-they look very sumptuous.
Jackie, SoCal., zone 9b,coastal foothills
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david mears [ PM ]
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By all the comments Michael, you have the thumbs up on these. As said above, can you provide us with continuing updates of the yellow(for me).
I have just read the parentage behind 'Roar'. Fantastic credentials.
Regards David
In Mudgee
In NSW
In Australia
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seilMI [ PM ]
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That yellow is gorgeous! So is the red one phototropic? I love those.
seil
On the East shore of Lake St. Clair, North of Detroit
The lake moderates our weather all year round. Warmer in the fall because the water is still warm and cooler in the spring because the lake is still cold. Humidities are always high!
St. Clair Shores, MI zone 6
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Kim Rupert [ PM ]
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I love that purple "burn" on the hot oranges. Coup de Foudre provided it way back in the mid fifties. In really brilliant sun and high heat, it is tremendoulsy more extreme than any of the photos show. Modern Art does it in similar conditions. Orangeade can do it, too and it's very common with Show'n'Tell. Camara is one of the most dramatic around here.
Kim
Encino, CA Sunset Zone cusp of 18/19
USDA Zone 10a per the new interactive USDA Zone Map
Though both are massaged quite a bit by mountainous terrain and occasional coastal influence.
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PacificJade [ PM ]
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Thank you for all of the nice comments.
It is exactly the pattern of Coup de Foudre! I love Shadow Ninja.
They both love the heat and the cool. Shadow Ninja isnt phototropic... it is based on the weather and not the UV. It is a very strange rose.
Regarding rooting -- I tend to try to marry those related to the synstylae or caninae types into moderns, which I think lends to more vigor, increased branching, and better rooting. From that point on, I tend to go for the "survival of the fittest" regime in seedling selection.
Zone 8B, Pacific Northwest, USA
lol I'll probably catch shit for this but I really think lse is plausible.
(I also kinda feel like you're leading the thread in that direction, intentional or not, but this is something that crossed my mind awhile back and I dismissed it out of hand at the time since eie was supposedly the obvious thing)
I wish I could give a better reason than vibe. maybe if I think about it.
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Well, Mike...............what can I say??...............Good luck on your final!
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There isnt much to say, lol. I just need to figure out how to prevent it, because its so disruptive.
Michael
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Home Depot is selling a set of 2 pruners for $8.90 (I think). Theyre metal with red grips -- one is the basic bypass and one is a snips bypass. They seem to work just fine.
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I'll have to go check..........my pruners are so used and abused!! About ready to buy myself a really nice one.........but cheaper ones that work great are...............great!!
Remember that bird that was here when you were here..............some kind of kingfisher or heron.........like a lesser heron. Well , I saw this heron in tree yesterday so I ran outside, waving my arms and yelling..........bird had a mohawk go up..........thought it might be a baby heron...........didn't seem to know what to do..........finally flew but went behind the tree so I ran and got the camera........attaching 3 pics of him...........larger than a kingfisher but no color. No fear.............finally flew away.
M
and attaching pics of my finished dog grooming table.
Thanks
Youre perceptive, lol.
um...yeah
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes. yes.
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
This should give an idea of what my friends are like. Random picture my friends drew while drunk, lol:
I would have said something about your handsomeness but I don't due to homophobia and annoyance for "no homo" disclaimers.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
Lol I wasn't flattering myself, how would you even get that from what I said? o_O More just kind of like, wondering what that's about...
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
lol what does any of this have to do with typing you?
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
VI-wise, both your expression and attitude towards things you shoot, I think EIE makes a lot of sense. You seem pretty spirited and personable even towards your environment, and you remind me of my EIE dad. Sometimes EIEs can't see this in themselves because they notice their blunt edginess and have personal criticism deep down about their social skills, but it's irrelevant to how they like to conduct themselves and see the world. Definitely not Te-like, I'd expect a lot more serious, dry, alert assessing style, sense of physical constraint etc. I mean all the empirical correlations on Te-EJs in my signature would hint towards what I think.
I personally think there's a bit of idealism involved. Images of what an LSE looks like and a personable healthy-like individual, people are going to idealize it into something it's not, similarly with Mike Rowe (EIE) who seems too manly and stand-up, and lacking an unhealthy emo-ness, to be anything else but LSE, but it's just a dumb stereotype and people seem to not understand what dominant Fe actually is or EJs on the whole.
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I wanted to display what is routine for me, because I cannot obviously show any of you a crystal ball into my life, so I am trying to display things in which are okay to display here.
That sort of stuff never bothers me
It's just an expression. It is like when I call someone a liar to get a rise out of them and continue on with further meaning.
I understand why you would say it's thin because I thought the same thing about types I'm unfamiliar with, but just from my standpoint, I've learned that this seemingly outer layer is much deeper than that, that it's a lot more about how a type subconsciously wants to be (that they can't objectively weigh their personality against anything else, it's just who they are) than it is how proficiently they might act a certain way or stereotype (like emo-ness or emotional wildness, a false Fe proposition.) Like a lot of people including myself might see me as dry and a bit uncaring at times, but has little to do with my deepest integrated motives (when you get down to what a person's really focusing on in themselves regardless of external factors.) But anyway I don't know why people would criticize you for spreading out your explanation, that's what the threads are for to give your opinion. Ppl should just shut it if they don't want to be constructive.
I dont hate you, lol. I'm the one asking for all of this, so it is bound to be uncomfortable at some points.
I'm not really going to comment on this yet, because it I am sure there is more detail in which neither of you see yet, and I do not want to argue one way or the other for it.
Poli, how do you feel about me and why do you feel as such?
My opinion: Aristocratic as hell, Si valuing extrovert. I don't see you in a Se quadra, and perhaps it has something to do with the ptsd that you mentioned in an earlier post, but I think not. I think it is more than that, and that interactions that Se-valuers would find fun or no big deal could seriously annoy you. The strong aristocracy I think is part of why people might see you as beta, but imo you fit the delta variety and not the beta one. Elaboration on fi aristocracy: you give the impression that you believe that there are right and wrong ways to behave, and that people should follow propriety, without having a large tolerance for deviations from that.
Delta is funny in that there's a strong trend to judge people for "being judgemental" criticize people for "being critical" and give everyone a very narrow window of what's okay, while proclaiming their vast open mindedness. It's a contradiction that they are blind to, that amuses and frustrates me. I see that in you btw - that wasn't a random rant. Because of that, I see you as a decent guy who doesn't intentionally hurt people, but may misjudge/misread people who fall outside of your proscribed "normal" behavior.
Your pictures are very grounded and low-key, and you're probably sp-first in enneagram instinct stackings.
I have a hard time seeing you as Fe-leading, because of the lack of energy you supply to any atmosphere. You make comments and jokes, but you don't really enliven anything, nor do you appear to have much interest in manipulating the emotions or energy in any way. Your silliness and playing around is more alpha/delta, ne/si to me, rather than Fe-Se and beta. I realize I'm not explaining to any great degree, but I'm just trying to get quick impressions down.
Plausible types for you are ENFp, ESTj, and ESFj imo, though all the things I cited as noticing point to delta extrovert, my observations might be somewhat off in one area or another.
I am not offended, and I am aware of the logical inconsistancy in judgement that you describe. I know you actually know me well, because you contemplate a lot, among other things, and you have actually taken the time to give both credit and debt where it is due.
The primary reason I am doing all of this, and I really would not expend the energy if I didnt think it was worthwhile (VI threads get old, fast), is because the prior model does not fit. Since it does not fit, something is wrong. This is to flush out both of what does not fit and how people actually perceive me here. So, this also relates to the lot of all of you and how you perceive this subject, too.
Ok.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Gah, punk
One impression I get is that you're a dynamic type. Something like you seem in discussions to figure out processes for whatever, externalising connections between data (bear with me on that Ne-approximation); it seems like a much practiced process, as opposed to a 'naturally' strong way of thinking. Could point to Si-cre/Ne-HA.
Reason is a whore.
That is often why I shut my mouth. It is a never ending stream, I seriously doubt people want to hear it, and I dont get off hearing the sound of my own voice, lol.
There are a few things people seem to stereotype LSE for; first that they are humorless and assume a dry tone, like automatons, which isn't true at all; and LSE have hobbies outside of work and these interests they often take seriously, as their type is serious, accumulating information about it/them.
So LSE can be funny and LSE can have any kind of interest or hobby; the difference is in how they pursue these things and for what reasons. If LSE do socionics for socialization than that's what they are here for; it's sort of like a compartmentalized way of approaching something.
You may find that Jadae accumulates a lot of facts about his hobby/job and when speaking with others, he expresses facts in a dry tone, however he's looking for "how things work" or "how things can work" in a dynamic way; though he does use Fe in describing the feeling atmosphere, he does not do this more often, or more typically as he does Te. If you know him, you'll know that he's more serious than merry type; the emotive dichotomy of LSE may be confused with Fe.
His Ne HA is expressed in the way that he does/approaches tasks; ask him how he order's his closet/items; ESE and EIE care far less about where things go and keep them there; also the HA is expressed in his creative nature, in creating of something.
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
@Jadae2point0
You're... cute.Also, it's freaking awesome that you went to a party as a Megaman villain.
/unhelpful
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
In further analysis:
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...l=1#post837362
This is a post CA made about the HA and it applies in the behavior of Jadae and the way he approached this thread. Jedi, does this ring true for you?
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
It is sort of confusing to reference both of those people at the same time.
Yeah, I intended a focus on LSE only; so pretty much the LSE HA is to approach things/activities/tasks/jobs ect with an idea; the idea with which you approached this thread seemed to be from not only a VI perspective put you also posted pictures of the things that you do, hoping that it would contribute to people looking at you in a new way (maybe?). What I'm saying is that it's not a typical approach to a VI thread, it's from Ne HA, a new idea in a new creative way. A creative idea that YOU came up with on your own.
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
My fear was that people do not see me in a full way, which is further complicated by people only knowing what I have shared, which is admittedly not a lot for 7 years of being here.
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