I see there are conflicts but I have not studied them all to understand them. I stumbled on yours first. I have seen some that seem to be some people sensitively aware of their own hurt feelings who say so directly and sharply, as INFJs can.
I totally believe you are stressed out by it! But it reminds me of how I feel towards my Mom. Learning Socionics sometimes helps me see why, looking back, my Mom would say things I was so sharply hurt or annoyed - and my brothers would be fine! Much of the time her annoying things would be directed at me - but Supervisees are annoyed by their Supervisors! So now I realize it was not all about being the only girl.
Now I wonder how consistent that is with IEE? Because I am not emotionally reactive. I do have the feeling, but I don't understand it, so i don;t want to express it, because of how Fi works with me -- I want to think it through and understand it. I want to get along with everyone, so I am too aware that hasty words I will have to do work to make up for it later. And I am too aware I sometimes perceiving/judging things wrong, and I want to be sure, by thinking it over. I'd rather get my act together about my feelings before I say anything. And I think i read that IEEs do that. Your reaction seems more like my SEE friends. And I like that aobut them, that they know where they stand and will say. I appreciate their honest straightforwardness.
Omigosh, this is EXACTLY like Cheri! In fact, its nice to walk around here, so if she comes to watch Mom for an afternoon, rather than go right home after, she will be out pacing the neighborhood, often attached to her cell phone. Once I ran out for a quick errand while she was doing this (I will runout if my son is home and she is asleep), and she felt she had to explain what she was doing. But unnecesarry - I totally got it. I know her now. I know her need to pace. Sometimes she will pace in my living room while she watches TV!
And the line-up of shows, not what I would pick: "Gentlemen prefer Blonds" "How to Marry a Millionaire". Completely different selection than me. But I appreciate them - lighthearted, fun, visually well-dressed and well-made-up cast, lots of laughs. She LOVES these shows. But my Netflex picks are "Bristish Dramas" or, "Dramas based on Classic books"...
Oh, and my son does not get a lot of her uniqueness. It reminds me of what is said elsewhere about ESFPs:
In moments of depression, which are not so rare, ESFps like to complain to others that they are not as people think they are and that this is the reason they are often misunderstood. In situations such as these their eyes can become glazed and distant.
Are you like this? I have seen it in Cheri, Becca and Angi. They are usually upbeat, but can fall into a funk I would describe like that. And they have each made that statement (one I have never made!). I do feel for them at those times.
Totally understandable, Annalise! There is not a thing wrong with saying you are offended when you feel you have been offended!
I totally agree with that. Also I did not know you struggle with Bipolar. That is a cross to bear!
Now the way I see it is Marista and likely others are very interested in the theory part of the theory, the functions and how they apply to people. While it is a forum for socializing, its also about Socionics theory, and NFs and NTs are likely to be especially into typing people and analyzing aspects of the theory related to how they type people. And if you are present on this forum speaking your mind, these type-analyst types are just going to be doing their typing thing. I understand the frustration of being mistyped. However it it is my mirror or other more positive type in disagreement with me, it would be a lot easier to take than my Supervisee. Just my opinion from my own experience. My INFJ friends, wherein we do not agree, I don;t even need to explain myself. One is not Catholic, and is into stuff I am not into. I accept she does not get my faith and I do not get into what i see is wrong with certain of her beliefs. My Catholic INFJ friend and I are similar in our religious beliefs, but she is adamantly against (for wrong reasons, IMO) a mystic I am very much for. She has gone on why she is against her, and I see the flaw in her judgement, but I see she is closed on that, and guess what? Its just not that important. Its fine with me that we disagree on that. That's the tolerance with Mirrors I think. In my own experience! Unfortunately, the gut reaction in dealing with a Supervisor/supervisee is often inflamed annoyance!
I may not be prepared to deal with that. Its really about relating you to SEEs I know, as well as the differences inhow you and I seem to approach things which in my theory its because we are SEE/IEE. I think I really get you becasue we are "Lookalikes". But I see just enough of a difference, that S/N . Just a small difference in how we seem to approach things. And about how your frustration with Marista I feel as if its mine, since its exactly how i feel with my Mom at times!
Not at all! I understand because I am in the same spot, all too often!
We don't have to convince each other of anything. I am fine with your reaction being "just doesn't resonate with me" (my non-Catholic INFJs favorite phrase!) or whatever. I am open to your genuine reaction to what I said. Its just not that important. I am just sharing my impressions.
If you are in fact SEE and end up embracing that, there is no reason you cannot lounge in Delta as your primary "lounge" as the resident SEE, or wherever you feel most comfortable. When I was spending more time on PerC I used to "lounge" in the ISTP forum, because I was comfortable there, since I love an ISTP. I was a "resident ENFP" there, and there were resident INFJs, ENTJs, ENFJs, ISTJs, etc. also lounging there with the mostly ISTPs... Be who you want to be!
P.S. Is the following true of you?? It is so true of my friend Cheri! :
In day to day matters ESFps can be forgetful and careless. They may forget to switch off home appliances etc. When cooking a dish that requires constant supervision, they can often neglect and ruin it.
Cheri is not a fancy cook, there are funny things left in the fridge when I return. Its about expediency for her, getting the meal on the table! While I relate to that, as I sometimes will make whatever takes the least possible work, other times, often enough, I want to get a good new different thoughtful recipe and make something that is more of a work of art (as in the art of cooking).... Every once in a while, I want to make something really, really hard from scratch, just to know I can do it. I am going to make my SLI Beef Wellington one day - quite a project, because I read in his journals when he was in England that he had it, and really loved it....
My SEE friend Cheri would never do that. However, she is so reliable for spur of the moment. If someone is home-bound, she will boil some egg noodles and open a can of whatever is sitting on the edge of the shelf to mix in, and bring it over. Or there is an impromptu get-together, and she will pull out cake mix and fast make a cake to bring along. No frosting, no problem, whatever is there - Christmas sprinkles? Will do. And I love that I can count on her to come last-minute for my Mom, too. If she is free, she will come. I really value that!



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