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    I have a question, which function are you using in the bottom post? What are you doing in essence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    Black rice is weird. The texture is very different; it's like a skin with mushy stuff inside.
    I'll make it really simple for you. Black rice is an object, unless you and I have gone insane, which we haven't yet. You are describing what of the object? It's what? What? Properties? YES. Now you see why I type you SEE?

    (static) perceives outward sensory data projected by objects. Unless objects change their appearance significantly, the impression will not change.

    Nice post Ryene, nice post...that is Fi, because I'm judging it. Heehee.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    I have a question, which function are you using in the bottom post? What are you doing in essence?



    I'll make it really simple for you. Black rice is an object, unless you and I have gone insane, which we haven't yet. You are describing what of the object? It's what? What? Properties? YES. Now you see why I type you SEE?

    (static) perceives outward sensory data projected by objects. Unless objects change their appearance significantly, the impression will not change.

    Nice post Ryene, nice post...that is Fi, because I'm judging it. Heehee.
    [deleted reasoning attempt]
    i have reported this post as part of Maritsa's trolling campaign against Ryene, along with the related trolling thread http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin.../40526-texture
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    [deleted reasoning attempt]
    i have reported this post as part of Maritsa's trolling campaign against Ryene, along with the related trolling thread http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin.../40526-texture
    I don't think the other thread was specifically targeting me; it was started some time ago, and I made the choice to post in it. Her knowledge is questionable, but we don't usually punish people for that around here.

    Concerning this thread: I don't particularly like her, and her misdirected type bludgeoning is definitely irritating. I do wish she would cut it out, but it's not really something I would report her for. At least she's not following me around the forum to do it. If you are sufficiently offended by her actions, then I won't tell you what you can or can't do about it.

    @UDP If you want to try black rice without buying a ton of it, I suggest this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryene Astraelis View Post
    I don't think the other thread was specifically targeting me; it was started some time ago, and I made the choice to post in it. Her knowledge is questionable, but we don't usually punish people for that around here.

    Concerning this thread: I don't particularly like her, and her misdirected type bludgeoning is definitely irritating. I do wish she would cut it out, but it's not really something I would report her for. At least she's not following me around the forum to do it. If you are sufficiently offended by her actions, then I won't tell you what you can or can't do about it.

    @UDP If you want to try black rice without buying a ton of it, I suggest this.
    It's not just you she targets. Hkkmr won't do anything unless he "gets enough complaints". Basically, I'm sick of every time I finally decide to visit the forum, that the first things I seem to see are her trolling someone. And since trying to reason with her never works, maybe complaining might get her to stop trolling deltans.

    Worse still is when, for example, she's gone on and on about how she doesn,t even notice objects, then recently describes how great of an interior designer she is and how her friend seeks her help for shopping for furniture and such, and then herself goes into detail about the consistency of rices. If one of the people she trolls describes similar, they are Se ego. If she does it, she's delta nf. She twists her 'reasonings' to suit her trollings. And basically, I find her constant trollings of deltans to be disgusting all around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    It's not just you she targets. Hkkmr won't do anything unless he "gets enough complaints". Basically, I'm sick of every time I finally decide to visit the forum, that the first things I seem to see are her trolling someone. And since trying to reason with her never works, maybe complaining might get her to stop trolling deltans.
    OK.

    Worse still is when, for example, she's gone on and on about how she doesn,t even notice objects, then recently describes how great of an interior designer she is and how her friend seeks her help for shopping for furniture and such, and then herself goes into detail about the consistency of rices. If one of the people she trolls describes similar, they are Se ego. If she does it, she's delta nf.
    Hm, I missed that. Good point, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    [deleted reasoning attempt]
    i have reported this post as part of Maritsa's trolling campaign against Ryene, along with the related trolling thread http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin.../40526-texture
    Cries because she isn't IEE. And because she doesn't fit the IEE description in a lot of ways. And, because she thinks the only valid socionics is the one made up by her own rules. Nope. Go do what you want.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    And, because she thinks the only valid socionics is the one made up by her own rules. Nope. Go do what you want.
    „Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    I'll make it really simple for you. Black rice is an object, unless you and I have gone insane, which we haven't yet. You are describing what of the object? It's what? What? Properties? YES. Now you see why I type you SEE?

    (static) perceives outward sensory data projected by objects. Unless objects change their appearance significantly, the impression will not change.
    I have a family of six. Three Deltas, two Alphas, and a Beta. The Si-valuers may discuss whether a noodle tastes springy or whether something smells purple and the beta just thinks it dumb. s consider what the environment is whereas s consider their personal experience concerning the environment.

    Ryene stated that black rice was weird. "Weird" is a word like "short" or "flat;" its meaning varies depending on who uses it and what they are comparing it to. Then Ryene compared the texture of the rice to other textures she was familiar with. That sure seems Si-valuing to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I have a family of six. Three Deltas, two Alphas, and a Beta. The Si-valuers may discuss whether a noodle tastes springy or whether something smells purple and the beta just thinks it dumb. s consider what the environment is whereas s consider their personal experience concerning the environment.

    Ryene stated that black rice was weird. "Weird" is a word like "short" or "flat;" its meaning varies depending on who uses it and what they are comparing it to. Then Ryene compared the texture of the rice to other textures she was familiar with. That sure seems Si-valuing to me.
    You are describing the properties of an object.

    I explained it very simply. Rice = object
    properties = it's texture, it's color, it's shape size.

    These are close to exact descriptions

    If I were to describe black rice, I would say something like, "I don't like it" (Fi value judgement), which she doesn't. And then I would say something like I like other options to my black rice. Then I would go on to say something like "I don't like it [again stating my personal sentiments] because it feels to me as though I'm eating worms."

    I'm not describing the properties of worms, I'm simply stating that it tastes in a way familiar to something which produces awkward sensations.

    Her post doesn't have any personal sentiments of Fi first, so how can she be Fi base?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    Her post doesn't have any personal sentiments of Fi first, so how can she be Fi base?


    You can't expect every post from an Fi to contain something Fi-related! It's an introverted function!
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    From what I understand of Se/Si viewpoints:
    Se: "This cookie is rough, so that one is better."
    Si: "This cookie is a little sandpapery, and that one is gooey like a cinnamon roll. I'm not in the mood for a cinnamon roll, so I'll eat this one."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Wow, sometimes this forum feels like I just walked into the home of a really scrappy, fighting family... And I feel bad seeing the hard feelings, especially between people I like. @anndelise, I have no reason to think you are not IEE as you say, except for the fact that Marista gets you so angry! And my INFJ-mirror friends never make me feel angry. Occasionally misunderstood on an issue, but I am unbothered by it. And its not because I take everything easy - there are other types who do consistently bother me. But I do see how being mistyped is a legitimate cause annoyance.

    Clearly, you are an "E" type because you are so outspoken about what bothers you, and also clearly you are a "P" type because it seems, with Marista, its "J"-related things she does that get under your skin. Specifically, her being so sure of what she concluded. Realize that J-types are decisive and are more likely than "P" types to make rash judgements and stick to them. I am not saying Marista has done that here. But if you feel she has, it seem you could chalk it up to that. I understand how an affront to your own identity can be so infuriating, and I am thinking you could simply PM Marista, or just say it on a thread, "I am happy/confident with how I have typed myself. Your questioning it really bothers me. Would you please not do it anymore?"

    And that leads me to ask, @Marista Darmandzhyan, since you have the sensitivity of an INFJ -- you must see how your insisting that Anndelise is a SEE annoys her to no end, and disrupts her peace, so, even if you have this theory she is a SEE, why don't you just back it off with her, since its clear she does not like you questioning her type? I do see how typing is an interest/talent which you put more thought into than a portion of others here do, so I understand. If you want to share your reasoning on your clues about specific typing here, in the case of @anndelise and any others that might be offended, then you could PM your observations/conclusions to one or two forum friends with a shared particular-interest in typing people - rather than post it on the board where Anndelise has to read it - and then must publicly defend herself, again.
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    I'm sorry, Eliza, but if you looked at what I was complaining about, it had to do with Maritsa trolling Ryene again. But it's not just her trolling Ryene that angers me, it's her trolling other deltans (including myself). She has run off other members, and tries to run off more (including myself). As for myself, I have allowed a few times her vitriol to push me away from the forum and friends I have here, and yes, that angers me too. But it's not to do with her pathetic attempts at retyping me, those are just laughable.
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    @anndelise - I have my own beginnings of a theory about your type (other than IEE) which I do not come at by extensive knowledge, but intuition (based some on knowledge)... I would share it with you here, or I can PM it... whichever you want!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    @anndelise - I have my own beginnings of a theory about your type (other than IEE) which I do not come at by extensive knowledge, but intuition (based some on knowledge)... I would share it with you here, or I can PM it... whichever you want!
    If your theory has anything to do with how Maritsa and I get along, I request that you first read in this thread
    pages 91-92 which occurred 1 year ago when Maritsa and I were getting along ok and she had 'confirmed' me as Ne subtype NeFi.

    Then, read pg 97 for an example of Maritsa's attitudes and actions towards one of the most accepted EII on this forum, Minde. I believe it starts with post #3863.

    If you still want to base your theory of my type using my interactions with Maritsa, then so be it. I'm just asking that you inform yourself beyond what she herself claims about herself and others.

    And No, I am NOT NeTi.

    -----

    In accordance with the spirit of this thread, where this is supposed to be a thread where Deltas can relax and chitchat with each other rather than having to defend typings, etc. further discussions regarding Maritsa and/or my type can be done through PM, or I can set up a blog post for it. Let me know which you would choose, @Eliza Thomason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    If your theory has anything to do with how Maritsa and I get along, I request that you first read in this thread
    pages 91-92 which occurred 1 year ago when Maritsa and I were getting along ok and she had 'confirmed' me as Ne subtype NeFi.

    Then, read pg 97 for an example of Maritsa's attitudes and actions towards one of the most accepted EII on this forum, Minde.

    If you still want to base your theory of my type using my interactions with Maritsa, then so be it. I'm just asking that you inform yourself beyond what she herself claims about herself and others.
    Only part of it is how you get on with Marista. The rest is other things, mostly to do with how you relate to someone else I know whose type I am sure of. Things not having to do with your interaction with Marista. And that interaction is what got me focused on the topic of your type (Marista's INFJ being not in question to me). Because the strife between you stresses me, and I like to try to figure that stuff out (conflict-resolution for my mind, I guess). That's the "Psychologist" part of my type, maybe.

    But yes, I would not say a thing till I read those pages you refer to, and then, should I say my "theory" here, or PM it first? (and I won't post if you don't want). I will go with what you say!

    And I will not take the least offense if you think I am completely misguided in my conclusions! I am not so married to my ideas, and the "P" in me stays open to "I could be wrong".

    I don't know you well enough to know if discussion of your type just annoys you, or if its just Marista's discussion of your type that annoys you. That's why I offer to PM it.

    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    And No, I am NOT NeTi.
    Absolutely not. You and Phthalate, not the same type at all!

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    Oops, I just read the rest of your post. Yes, I like the blog post idea, because interested others (should not be Marista, though, because of the strife!) can post their opinions of my opinion. (Which might well be that its too lame...) PM is okay too.

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    1. Eliza you should try to avoid using MBTI terminology here as it is confusing.

    INTJ <> INTj in socionics
    INFJ <> INFj in socionics

    etc...

    2. People will infer a lot of emotional content from emphasis and tone of writing in messages, such as...

    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    "And No, I am NOT NeTi."
    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    Roflmao....if you think I am impatient with abstract explanations and ideas, then you obviously haven't read more than a handful of my posts, lol. You didn't even 'skim' through my blog posts, did you. Lol. Nor did you do more than skim through my posts on those pages I suggested you to read. Was the abstractness of my posts there too much for you to handle? Too boring? Other? LoL.
    Anger/some emotional content can be induced/percieved/guessed at from these sort of expressions.

    3. Also as IEE's are 4d Fe types, they convey their emotions strongly thru dialog but also can perceive emotions strongly while at the same time preferring a different form of ethics. This is also a unconscious element vs conscious element.

    Anger may be subconscious and communicated without the person knowing it's being conveyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    And my INFJ-mirror friends never make me feel angry. Occasionally misunderstood on an issue, but I am unbothered by it.
    She does get me very angry and it's because I don't type her IEE; and because of that, she is constantly bottle necking me, in every post and thread I open, trying to challenge me directly to admit what I say is rather Ne instead of Se, because she wants me to say things that will affirm her self typing as IEE, which I won't because that would be lying and presenting inaccurate and incorrect information. whether you have a reason to believe that or not is you personal opinion of that, but for me and my comfort level, it's very uncomfortable being around her. It's very comfortable being around you so go figure.


    You may notice that I've placed her on ignore and I've done this because I really don't care what she says in any post, but she picks on my posts which sends me messages that she's responded to them and often she does it's always with the intent to challenge me.

    Even if I don't address her by my comments, she addresses me in a challenging sort of way. i could say "hay, I don't care what you want to be." but that would just annoy her more. She wants to supervise everything I write and say.

    Eliza, just marry me and move in with me I'll be a very happy woman.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    Even if I don't address her by my comments, she addresses me in a challenging sort of way. i could say "hay, I don't care what you want to be." but that would just annoy her more. She wants to supervise everything I write and say.
    Let's test this. You say "hey I don't care what you want to be", and - if you want, to be fair, other people won't tell you what you are.

    Nobody tells each other what they are - how about that?

    Eliza, just marry me and move in with me I'll be a very happy woman.
    Maybe the delta you want is really another woman - that's ok, too. We'll all be respectful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post


    Maybe the delta you want is really another woman - that's ok, too. We'll all be respectful.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    <Beta Alarm> It's interesting how Maritsa managed to separate the concept of an object from its physical qualities and/or perceived attributes. </Beta Alarm>
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    Thanks for explaining, @anndelise. Now I wonder what Marista has to say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    Thanks for explaining, @anndelise. Now I wonder what Marista has to say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    Thank you.

    We were going to try not to challenge anyones type here.
    Two years ago in this thread we more or less agreed that trying to argue at people or challenge their types in The Delta Lounge was something we didn't want. Even Maritsa herself was on board.

    I'd like to go back to those days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    Two years ago in this thread we more or less agreed that trying to argue at people or challenge their types in The Delta Lounge was something we didn't want. Even Maritsa herself was on board.

    I'd like to go back to those days.
    I apologize UDP. I too would like to be able to come here and relax and chitchat.
    I will see if I can have the most recent stuff split off from this thread.
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    I wish there was a function that can completely block people from reading your posts and I know who I would use that function against.

    I'll say it right now

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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    I respect INFJs for the ability to know and name their own feelings so instantly. For me, its different. Something happens, and all I know is I feel bad/uncomfortable, and I can't name what has thrown off my equilibrium. So I don't address it - I will almost never say I am offended at the time I am offended - I need to be alone and think it out awhile before I can uncover what it is that hurt or offended me. Then I usually work it out with myself alone! Only if I feel it wil benefit the other person personally (personal growth) or my relationship with that person will I let them know what they did that offended me. But usually I let it go. Or I decide, "Next time, if they say something similar, I will say __"
    I'm the same way...as you may have observed about how I stated my feelings about how I feel about Ann and you.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    I realize I have made all this ta-do how I am going to write my little "theory" of Annalise's type, and now I have been silent, so I want to say, I have not forgotten. I just have this backlog of stuff I have to do, mostly at home, that I am attacking as I go visit my SLI next week, out of town, and out of state... on top of that, I am attacking my bad habit of being a night owl, as I must be up early mornings. So I wil soon answer this.

    Meanwhile I am trying to make good easy healthy food with ingrediants at hand... espiocally since I am working at home... I made chicken broth earlier this week and I have cream here from a recent for the dairy visit, so I am making cream soups. Today's is Cream of Mushroom.. I picked up shitakes to add to my portabellas when I took my mom to her group, and I had cream sherry around, so, yum, omigosh, its delicious! And fast to make.

    I will write soon, probably tomorrow..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    I realize I have made all this ta-do how I am going to write my little "theory" of Annalise's type, and now I have been silent, so I want to say, I have not forgotten. I just have this backlog of stuff I have to do, mostly at home, that I am attacking as I go visit my SLI next week, out of town, and out of state... on top of that, I am attacking my bad habit of being a night owl, as I must be up early mornings. So I wil soon answer this.

    Meanwhile I am trying to make good easy healthy food with ingrediants at hand... espiocally since I am working at home... I made chicken broth earlier this week and I have cream here from a recent for the dairy visit, so I am making cream soups. Today's is Cream of Mushroom.. I picked up shitakes to add to my portabellas when I took my mom to her group, and I had cream sherry around, so, yum, omigosh, its delicious! And fast to make.

    I will write soon, probably tomorrow..
    That sounds great. You know, you can always freeze your shitake if you don't use all of them.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    That sounds great. You know, you can always freeze your shitake if you don't use all of them.
    That soup was SO GREAT!! Leftovers tonight. I have never ever used shitake before! I use portobellas all the time. But the comments in the online recipe suggested trying shitakes, so I did. One of them had a little sphere the diameter of a thumbnail that was all like a mass of hard tiny bubbles. Pretty strange so I cut it off and discarded. What the heck was that?

    Thanks for the tip about freezing shittakes because I will have my eye out for when they are on sale...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    That soup was SO GREAT!! Leftovers tonight. I have never ever used shitake before! I use portobellas all the time. But the comments in the online recipe suggested trying shitakes, so I did. One of them had a little sphere the diameter of a thumbnail that was all like a mass of hard tiny bubbles. Pretty strange so I cut it off and discarded. What the heck was that?

    Thanks for the tip about freezing shittakes because I will have my eye out for when they are on sale...
    I've never seen that on a shitake before; so, logic would have it that you did the most reasonable thing. Cut it and toss it; you can't be too safe, I suppose.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Well here are my thoughts on Anndelise’s type. I hope the delay did not give anyone the idea this is anything profound I am composing. I just have been tied up with other things.

    Anndelise a T type? I had no such thoughts! She is a dear people-person. (But no offense to Ts! And I am in love with a T.)

    Anndelise, hear me out while I drop this blow – I think its SEE. Yes, its true, wretched Marista [just teasing, Marista] has laid out an extensive and infuriating argument for this for you. I have not followed the argument (lightly skimmed some places only) -- I just am not as schooled as she is, and I don’t know you well or long, so I am ill-equipped to judge it. But it may well be true that her decision that you are a SEE could have influenced my thought that you are that. But my reasons are my own, so let me tell you, and as I have said, I am not married to this idea, I do not mind being told you don’t see it that way at all. I am interested in your genuine reaction to these thoughts.

    Its just that you remind me of SEEs I know - Cherie who cares for my mother when I take time away from her. Also of Becca, my SLI-love’s adult daughter, and Angie, an acquaintance-friend from college days - all SEEs. [All these names are made up.] When I read what you write, I am reminded of these.


    Because when I see a puzzling response, or a different response than I might expect from a person, my mind searches to understand why a person is behaving that way, and I make conncections to people I already know. And its rather an intuitive connection, but I feel quite sure of it, and I think I am pretty strong with that intuitive thing, because I think in this case I am using my very strongest function. (but I am not infallible!) And with you, my mind keeps going to Cherie, who helps me understand Becca, and knowing them helps me understand my old friend back when, Angie. It seems to me as if my mind involuntarily goes to Cherie when I am trying to understand you!

    Furthermore, my mind goes somewhere else when you are in conflict with Marista. You have written long posts when you are in conflict with her, and I read them and can feel your angst. And that angst is so familiar! I can feel it (that’s why I told you: I believe you are genuine) and it reminds me of a very angst I only know too well. The angst and the irritation and impatience you feel with Marista is exactly like what I have to deal with with my mother. Its how I easily feel towards her. I’m not proud. I can’t help it! And my mother is my Supervisee. And if you are SEE, then Marista is your Supervisee. No wonder I know just how you feel!

    It’s the overall feeling I get from the way you write. That frustration, that “how can anyone even think that way??” kind of annoyance – that’s what I feel with my mother too often! (I have to hold it in! I want to be kind!).

    My Supervisor-style annoyance with my mother is very close to the surface lately as I am trying to come to grips with it. She lives with me, I care for her, and I am all she has, and I was horrified to realize I am her Supervisor, at a time I feel such righteous indignation towards my SLI-love’s ex-wife, who was his supervisor, and their marriage, with him as Supervisee, was truly what they say for him: dangerous and deleterious.

    And this is the sad position my mother sits in with me!

    Let me tell you a little aobut Cheri, Becca, Angie and what they all have in common. A gorgeous thick head of hair, all three of them, just like you (I saw your “haircut” pics on your blog) and also like you, nice eyes, nice womanly features and figure, feminine faces of fuller features and by full I do not mean fat. All three are attractive of face and figure. All three are openly friendly, approachable, and easy to be around, and will speak to anyone, and love a social situation. They are all active, moving about a lot. They all speak their mind very assertively, but as assertive and surprising and strong as their opinion may be, they are not trying to push you; they are just being themselves.

    Cherie approaches her work in a random sort of way, sort of like you. In fact, at first, I can make no rhyme nor reason of it. But then on closer examination I can see she has a plan, goals, priorities and is moving in the direction she wants to go. She is not one to get overly caught up in just-so details like I can. I see these things in you in your approach to work.

    As to above, this is written aobut SEE’s use of Se, and it sounds like what you said of yuour garden goals (the bolded part):

    “As a lifestyle matter, SEEs are often oriented towards productive activity; they can be often impatient with abstract explanations or ideas, and they usually prefer tangible accounts of worldly affairs, and information that they can use and apply. They may prefer to work in real-world contexts or on projects that are subject to their influence, as opposed to trying to effectuate overly intangible ideas.”

    Next I am going to comment on your earlier post here. But I first have to take my Mom for a walk. I will be kind and pleasant... I will be kind and pleasant...
    Last edited by Eliza Thomason; 08-10-2012 at 12:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    my mind searches to understand why a person is behaving that way, and I make conncections to people I already know. And its rather an intuitive connection, but I feel quite sure of it, and I think I am pretty strong with that intuitive thing, because I think in this case I am using my very strongest function. (but I am not infallible!) And with you, my mind keeps going to Cherie, who helps me understand Becca, and knowing them helps me understand my old friend back when, Angie. It seems to me as if my mind involuntarily goes to Cherie when I am trying to understand you!
    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    If I listen long enough to one of my types, I see all these connections. I do with Workaholicsanon, for example. And she is not just like me. I would not be a resident! But if I did choose that, it would be for a reason such as hers - to start my own clinic and do things like I think they should be done. To manifest an ideal. And working herself to the bone to do it just right - I can see myself doing that (and have done that). I think its connected to the IEE curse of having to do it "perfect" the first time....

    But when I listen to Anndelise, without any intention, rather than make connections to myself, I find myself thinking, without choosing to, "Oh, that's just like Cheri; that's what she would do....

    So its not a scientific way of typing her, its just my impression - which I arrive at in a very IEE way, I think.
    I type the same way as yourself Eliza. I personally have not knowingly met another who seems to make these types of connections. Often it is only when I have pointed them out to others that they can then see/understand what I mean.
    I find that it is the quickest & easiest way for me to type people but as there can always be room for a tiny bit of doubt with this method (i.e. those being linked need at least one whose type is clearcut ), I have learnt to combine my natural style with more focus on identifying people's use of functions as my way of typing. I find it more difficult to be sure on functions and have found myself getting confused at times with all of the possibilities I come up with as to how another could be using the functions though I am improving in this area.
    Therefor it remains much easier for myself to type in the manner which you attempted to explain and with this style of making quick links between people I feel quite confident.


    And like yourself in this thread I do not like and cannot handle well being attacked for my views etc and unless the interactions seem to display good intentions I think the stress, bother, work & time of having to try to explain myself etc is inevitably not worth it. I would rather just have the other try to understand where I am coming from and therefor back off very quickly when negativity occurs from interactions on the forum.
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    No.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    No.
    Do you mean, "NO" as in, I am wrong, Annelise is not SEE?

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    Yes.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Yes.
    This post must help explain why you have 23,000 posts and I have 146. : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    This post must help explain why you have 23,000 posts and I have 146. : )
    I think quality>quantity.

    In just skimming this thread, I see no problem with Maritsa and Ryene as EII, and Eliza, Galen, and Ann as IEE.

    I know historically Maritsa has had problems with believing other females are EII. It's great you care deeply about people, Maritsa, and not everyone may care *exactly* like you, or even as much as you, but there are others who do care.

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    One thing I know right now about IEE's is that they can write a lot without getting to the point....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    One thing I know right now about IEE's is that they can write a lot without getting to the point....
    Maybe to do with this:


    PoLR - Introverted Logic, Ti
    IEEs tend to have a difficult time describing a concept or system in a manner in which the essential facts are all that is needed to understand or describe it. The IEE's focus in describing a concept or system is in how they themselves came to understand and see what they are describing. If an IEE is asked to describe or explain something, their natural tendency is to describe the pieces of the concept, system or idea that are related to the subject as a foundation before explaining the actual concept itself. The IEE will often describe details or aspects of a system that are unnecessary to the understanding of the system's properties, but the IEE views these details as essential functions of a sequential system (as opposed to describing the concept or system and only the concept or system as an independent entity). In other words, even if a detail is deemed outside of the IEE as extraneous, the IEE that is describing it will see it as a vital and significant part of a chain in order to paint the full, "proper" picture of the system the IEE wants to describe. An IEE will tend to start off explanations with a tremendous amount of detail, energy and patience and will move towards a more general explanation as they tire out (if they tire out). If something in the IEE's chain is broken or questioned, the description (in the IEE's mind) halts or falls apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    Maybe to do with this:


    PoLR - Introverted Logic, Ti
    IEEs tend to have a difficult time describing a concept or system in a manner in which the essential facts are all that is needed to understand or describe it. The IEE's focus in describing a concept or system is in how they themselves came to understand and see what they are describing. If an IEE is asked to describe or explain something, their natural tendency is to describe the pieces of the concept, system or idea that are related to the subject as a foundation before explaining the actual concept itself. The IEE will often describe details or aspects of a system that are unnecessary to the understanding of the system's properties, but the IEE views these details as essential functions of a sequential system (as opposed to describing the concept or system and only the concept or system as an independent entity). In other words, even if a detail is deemed outside of the IEE as extraneous, the IEE that is describing it will see it as a vital and significant part of a chain in order to paint the full, "proper" picture of the system the IEE wants to describe. An IEE will tend to start off explanations with a tremendous amount of detail, energy and patience and will move towards a more general explanation as they tire out (if they tire out). If something in the IEE's chain is broken or questioned, the description (in the IEE's mind) halts or falls apart.
    I feel like I'm capable of explaining concepts as a sum of the basic components. What it's saying about explaining fragmented pieces of the whole sounds more like a result > process mindset to me.

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