Article: The Centripetal Law of Communication. Estimate Your Chances in Business Competition

[glam]

You can view the page at http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...ss-Competition

[Saberstorm]

Why is Alpha not here?

[glam]

Why is Alpha not here?

if you're asking why Alpha isn't discussed at all, it's because in the context of this article, Alpha types are "peripheral" - along with Deltas, IEI, and ESI.

instead what is discussed is the significance of the "Volitional triad" (LSI, EIE, SLE) and the "Pragmatic triad" (SEE, ILI, LIE). according to DarkAngelFireWolf69, these six types are the ones who dominate the center of struggles for power, "from the geopolitical stage down to the level of a mediocre company."

the remaining 10 types of the "periphery" are more more prone towards cooperation rather than competition, not usually staying in the fight to obtain "central positions in society" for long.

if you're asking for the reason why does DarkAngelFireWolf69 not consider Alpha to be among the types who tend to be at the center of struggles for power, i can't know for sure.

based on the content, i'm sure DarkAngelFireWolf69 wrote this article based on practical observation of the types in society (both contemporary and historical), but theoretically i'm thinking it's because Alphas are Judicious; their Se-devaluing might make them more prone to be less interested in the power & influential status that comes with occupying "central positions in society".

[Gilly]

This makes intuitive sense on some level, but the descriptions are whack and the whole idea is kind of ridiculous. I don't see how Delta Rationals, IEE, ESE, or ILE don't make it into this game as well; IME they are just as likely to climb the social ladder and want positions of influence and power, especially when they are Enneagram 1, 3, 6, or 8.

[Shazaam]

Glam, I feel you're cutely hitting the nail on the head but like most of us IEIs you are falling victim to stereotypes way too much.

Neil Gaiman is an IEI Beta , as well as Marilyn Manson/Stephen King and they all obviously have a lot of money and are very successful in business endeavors. I think they only value cooperation over competition in a very shallow way.
I think you are paying too much psychological attention to the forum IEIs that don't really care about that shit.

I admit it. I'm such a hippie ******, like 'narcissistically sweet' as Dolphin put it, that I of course wish that money was completely obliterated from the world and that people saw each others as true equals and we all danced atop a rainbow of pure love. That there was so much empathy and we always helped and took care of another when we saw people in pain instead of being assholes about it. I've been mocked for this, but I also don't care at this point- it is how I am and how I see the world, people acting stuck up with others irritates me and always will. There are many rich limosuine liberals who preach this but ultimately they are just hypocrites. I've tried to like be diplomatic and save face with people who just want money but I obviously don't personally like that shit, and why should I wear that persona when Gilly can see right through it with his Fire pokemon type narcisissm? (tee hee)

But that doesn't mean there aren't other IEIs who won't ruthlessly and selfishly succeed in business. They may still be very 'peripheral', but they also have the gumption/willpower/whatever to completely and totally go their own way. I think most of us have the potential to do that, but for a lot of people it causes too many ethical issues with themselves. For example, my mom has the brains & beauty to be rich and successful but she also doesn't want to feel like a complete fraud or a 'narcissistic bitch'. For a lot of us being successful is an ethical issue, we want to be famous and admired by powerful people but deep down inside we also want to still be respected and loved by the overly empathetic midwestern ******. And that struggle like is always happening and is interesting to me. Hollywood individuals deal with this guilt by being overly nice to social outcasts, like what Pink and Miley Cyrus try to do... of course there is real genuine guilt there that they are just being a twat. It's 'human' or whatever.

Much of your success has to do with what family you came from and what you were taught to value. Like a blue collar/middle class family: "Stop being a narcissistic cunt joe, and help your neighbor cut the grass! It's the midwestern thing to do." or its opposite: "Let's all be men about this and compete to see who has the best yard" like uppity Republican balding straight men, that use the shrunken heads of gay men to play golf with. (God @HaveLucidDreamz i love you for that joke) It doesn't mean you necessarily are a 'victim' to this of course. You can rise up and be a success story.

Idk it just sorta feels like you're making IEIs out to be the 'Untouchables' in a capitalist society when obviously it's not really like that???

And I apologize if I'm being like too critical or shotting your ideas down or whatever. It's just not my own experience that IEIs are too cooperative and faggy to not also be winners.

[Blaze]

This article may reflect some cultural bias - basically the struggle in communist countries between capitalism and communism (beta and gamma). in the USA the fight for power might happen between opposing quadras - beta and delta. The article describes a singular phenomenon, that of struggle for power, whereas the left-right vectors of social progress describe in a more dynamic way the process of cultural and economic development, articulating each type's social role more clearly.