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LII-LIE Extinguishment Relations (INTj and ENTj)
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Last edited by tcaudilllg; 07-11-2012 at 01:41 PM.
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My opinion: greedy, power-obsessed, insensitive slave-drivers.
But do you really know any of them?
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This thread isn't about what they are like, it's about what they appear to be.
So you are trying to see if we can sense their suggestive function? Their Fi should be a weak area which is a vital subconscious deficency observed by others. He should be "in want of" Fi. An ENTj should thus appear to be detached from the consquences of his actions, as he needs the humantarian imput from others to integrate into a new humanitarian awareness. Thus, thye should appear to NEED a new humanitarian awareness.
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So... what tcaud said lol.
Greedy
Power hungry
Insensitive slave drivers
I think they're swell.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
Slave drivers are typically LSEs...
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Physically, they are bigger than I.
Conservatives, active, talk much and bossy..
I didn't let them control me, I just know how to handle them in my own way, they didn't know if I'm fool or just plain stupid..
I'm not exactly sure why, but I like them and I'm constantly attracted to them. I have to take care not to be controlled or taken advantage of, because they just do that with you if you let them. Overall, they are witty, extremely energetic and engaging. Good conversationalists and I even find them funny. Best way to deal with them is stick around for a while and then just leave. Or I just do that with everybody, lol.
Yes, but at the same time are quite irritated by the LIEs focus or orientation in life, which is pretty much in line with that of the whole of Gamma, to strategically situate one in a position where one is always mindful of financial benefits of action.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
You appear to have meant LIEs, and the remainder of your post is complete bullshit. Please correct this mess.Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan
There are countless alpha business men. They approach it with a priority on first, making people comfortable. Second, making them friends. And lastly, making them customers. But they always "begin with the end in mind."
They are curious, intellectual business people. They look at businesses as facenating problems to solve. They want to know what when right, what went wrong, and what need to be added to the mix to make it work.
Ti and Fe are good for businesses.
Only tcaulding thinks Alpha = Socialist!
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How about mobilized for action, does that help?
Dual type
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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LIE-LII can be a particularly effective combination for solving problems, but there is very little warmth there and no understanding of the other's motives.
Bowlby wrote that any two types with the same dominant function but with opposite orientations (Te-Ti, Fe-Fi, Se-Si, and Ne-Ni) will experience an immediate fascination with each other. The problems start if the individuals mistake this fascination for attraction.
I am LIE and I have an LII sister whom I love dearly, but we've never had a conversation longer than ten minutes. I work with male and female LII's and they can be smart as hell and cold as ice.
I know a male LIE-Te who married a female LII-Ti. He is a professor, she was his graduate student. They wrote some great papers together and then made the mistake of getting married. Now they fight all the time and look for ways to live apart while still being married in name for financial reasons.
Here is a six minute video showing the chemistry between a male LIE-Ni and a female LII-Ti. It shows you all you need to know.
I am INTp - Te, not ENTJ but close enough. I have female INTj friend, but sadly an unhealthy one. She has problem with her family and her colleagues. The reason is she is a perfectionist, always want to make the system "better", but her shitty Fe bring her no goods. Everyone barely listen to her Ideas cause they don't understand her (mainly the S type in beta, gamma, and delta group).
My advices to her always in "Te" form, so of course she barely take its. The differences between her and me is: I don't need everyone to understand me and my ideas to make my idea work, My Te can always find a way to make people in work place do exactly what I want, even if they don't understand what they are doing. She, on the other hands always try to use words to persuade others, but the inf Fe, the high Ti and Ne doesn't help at all, they confuse others. I once talked to her that not everyone is a NT like me, who can easily understand her (even I sometime find it hard to keep up with her, she is brilliant), I don't know if she listen to this or not.
The story about her family is the same. She do care for her family and friends, Fe inf seek "warmth atmosphere", in work place and in family. But again, shitty in both Fe and Fi doesn't help at all. I'm not very good in these aspects too (just a little bit better than her), but family's atmosphere is not my things so it won't be a problem.
P/s: I always got some uneasy feeling about her because I can somehow feel the hidden Si Fe (mainly the "Fe") in her personality - that seem always seek to create drama (whining too much about her struggle with other people), which I want to stay away from as fast as I can - maybe other Fe users have the patient to listen to her and bring her the "warmness" she want. I have better feeling with my ENTP friends, even their Fe is somehow stronger.
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LIEs seem to be the first to notice the potential disconnect and if they try to schmooze or win them over by attempting to get closer, LIIs tend to recoil. It may sound odd but when mutual independence can be maintained throughout the entirety of the relationship, the two get along well. As they get closer or perhaps more interdependent, they seem to get suspicious of each other's motivations, competence and or methods - especially their ultimate goals. LIEs often fail to recognize how clearly some LIIs can see them.
a.k.a. I/O
They tend to dig me, especially Ti subtype. Something weird goes on where they seem to want to take care of me or something, and consider me intelligent. On my side, I tend to see them as a bit lost or clumsy. Maybe they see me the same way really, though.
Really?
Extinguishment relationship is HOT. No wonder there's so many couple in their 20s in an extinguishment relationship. Like IEE-IEI, SEE-SEI, ESE-ESI, etc.
You connect really well at the beginning. Feels like "he's the one who can get me" connection.
I'm not saying it's best for long term though.
I always see them as an equal to me.
I've been in an extinguishment relationship before. We always argue with each other, but not in a bad way. He always challenge the way I think, and I challenge him as well, it's just really hot.
But I knew I'm not going to marry my extinguishment.
Like Adam Strange said, LIE-LII can be a particularly effective combination for solving problems, but there is very little warmth there and no understanding of the other's motives. This is so true. We just have to agree to disagree.
Oh my sister is an LII too and we can talk for hours! I guess a combination of gender, age (close gap), and rational thinking haha we're actually kind of like best friends.
But not chick flick kind of besties, we're NT anyway.
Also, the two of us are the only intuitives in the family I guess, so.
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