Why are you insecure in relationships?
Why do you criticize yourselves?
Why are you insecure in relationships?
Why do you criticize yourselves?
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I feel ashamed. I'm insecure in my relationships because I feel ashamed. I know what my emotional world is like and I know what its done to people. How I feel is completely irrational and sometimes people can't handle that. Most of the time I can't handle that. When I meet someone I like, I immediately want to give them everything. I want to spend every second with them, to get to know them intellectually and emotionally. I want everything and not just everything, everything right now. I know that's not appropriate. It's selfish of me to act on my desires of others too strongly. So I don't. I try not to. I fail a lot. When I fail other people get hurt. I always should have known better. I should have given less. I should have hidden this part of me. I should have emphasized that one. When it comes to my emotions I don't know what the fucking rules are and the rules I do know I can't follow. That scares me. Not because I fear rejection, I accept myself and that's enough. I'm scared because I don't want to hurt anyone. I should know better than to be too open too soon. Than to be hurtful. Than to give to the wrong person. But I don't. That's my fault. I accept that. I can't fix it. I wouldn't if I could either. I may let very few people in but I know the people who can look inside and not feel frightened enjoy the chaos just as much as I do.
Easy Day
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Fe outlined in blue
Fi outlined in red
Ti outlined in bold
Se outlined in green
Enneagram 8/2 sx statement detected in purple (I'm assuming "giving" means that you want to lift them up and support their efforts by cheering them on, as opposed to the 3/7 definition of giving which is actually just more roundabout way of taking, lol).
your Fi could be Fi polr though. I'm not making any judgements here I'm just assessing some things you've said.
Also, don't say you're insecure because she asked you a loaded question. I'm probably projecting here but your APPARENT vulnerablity to that bullshit SUGGESTS Fi polr. I don't know you well enough to decide between Fi or Ti though. If my posts piss you off you're probably Fi/Te ego.
Regardless of your type I think you should keep truckin and looking for someone who won't get upset because you give them everything you have to give, so long as you're not suffocating them by trying to know EVERYTHING about them and what they're doing at all times.
Also, ask yourself how well you get along with INTp's, how many there are in your life vs INFp's. They can look similar at times too. INFp's have a more "homebody warm sit by the fire and talk about where you want to go in life" kinda vibe while INTp's have a more "lets go sit in the rain and have a cry about how much life sucks" vibe.
Last edited by Azure Flame; 10-14-2012 at 06:24 PM.
Perfect<------------------------------------------------------------------------------>Loops and Tings
Ambivert / Aggressor / Trailblazer / Nomad / Alpha Caretaker / Free Spirit / Kevlar Speed Demon / Ninja
Good show, dear boy! Now the next step is to simply examine what my sentiments towards those functions are. Is insecurity expressed when Ti-related information arises? Do I seem to be unable to affect to bold bits? How sure of my self am I when the blue bits peak out?
What are the colors saying to you DJ? What picture is painted?
Easy Day
Perfect<------------------------------------------------------------------------------>Loops and Tings
Ambivert / Aggressor / Trailblazer / Nomad / Alpha Caretaker / Free Spirit / Kevlar Speed Demon / Ninja
Ye, why are you, JWC3?
anyone else? ...dolphin?
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
@JWC3: I want you inside me right now!
Actually let's just say fuck it to what I was going to respond to you with, which was essentially tu quoque in a sort of roundabout way. Instead let's perhaps have an actual conversation about this.
@blackburry Why do you think SLE > SEE with regards to my type?
Last edited by JWC3; 07-14-2012 at 07:59 PM.
Easy Day
I'm no where near as pushy as Marista nor did I start a thread about why SEEs are insecure.
I merely stated a common theme I see with EIIs as she did with SEEs, but mine was in a half-ass joking way.
yeah, glad you kept it to yourself.
SLE seems to fit you more.
just a vibe. you're extremely opinionated in a way I associate with a ton of Ti types. and your posts come
off a lil douchey. in a sometimes (sometimes not) endearing way.
Well yes. I do think that our disagreements are worthwhile from a socionics standpoint. OpCertainly I think the nature of our seemingly mutual dislike is characterized by Ti/Fi interactions. Though knowing that saying so will likely make me seem like I am politically retyping you in response to you retyping me, of the two of us I think you are far more likely Ti inclined than I am. For example your behavior in the dual jokes thread, in response to the holocaust jokes being told essentially struck me as "Holocaust jokes are never funny under any circumstance, no matter who's talking, and saying them makes you a horrible person" which I would say is a fairly concrete example of Ti structure being imposed upon individual behavior. So I reacted harshly because fuck your structure essentially.
Easy Day
Ok that helps, so being screwed over makes someone insecure.
I believe that EII are pushy because they are a Declaring type, because they devalue the finesse of Se, because they have poor ability to judge their senses (ie, did my information get through to the other individual, is it understood, can we conclude that it's been understood) I think when the other party affirms the receipt and says something like "I understand you" or "she is a literal person" that gives us the calming effect needed to back off; then we realize "yes, the person heard me." We get way too impassioned about our ideas and think that those ideas should be taken seriously by others, this is a combination of both valuing Ne, being a serious type, and the "should" which is impressing our moral understandings on others. I hope this makes some sense in the way I explain the complexity and dynamics of this interplay.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
In my experience they have a perennial requirement for external justification through admiration and sensual experiences.
It's kind of like having a relationship with a food addict: gradually only feed them small doses and occasionally let them indulge, but don't keep taking them to banquets every ay or they will get fat and require even more food to make them feel better. Eventually you'll have a bitter shell with requirements that are impossible to meet. Replace food with admiration and sex.
Replace this with the dual and you find that there is an explicit requirement for that person to attempt to even understand those phenomenon and to actively promote them when dealing with others.
I was in this relationship with an ESE once where we we're essentially just food addicts together. Of course we both ended up jaded, bitter, and really just hating the other person. God, that was one hell of a buffet though.
Easy Day
JWC3 where's your best friend?
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Stan?! I'm going to go visit him tonight! He goes home for the summer but is in town this weekend so I'll be out committing sexual acts at him after I get out of work. He doesn't socionics anymore though, well he might but I tend to not bring it up so much because it makes us fight.
Easy Day
I thought it was a little biased of you to assume SEEs were insecure or criticized themselves without asking them, properly, “Are you insecure?” or “Do you criticize yourselves?” (Afterwards it might be more appropriate to field your original questions.) It sounded like you had a specific context in mind to which you were implicitly referring so I was waiting to see if more information appeared on that front before rushing headlong into confirmation bias. “I am insecure in relationships” is an entirely different statement than “SEEs are insecure in relationships” and it takes quite a few logical leaps to connect the two.
Fwiw I'd assume almost everyone is insecure in their relationships sometimes. Well I mean not everyone but it just strikes me as fairly normal to not have everything figured out all the time. Or perhaps to have everything figured out all the time just not in every relationship ever. I dunno. Maybe some people do. I'm not really one of them. I am fairly overconfident at times though and the polar opposite other times.
Last edited by JWC3; 07-14-2012 at 08:07 PM.
Easy Day
You may be right, but my statement was from observation of many cases and many SEEs talking about their insecurities. This misunderstanding may arise out of Asking and Declaring differences between you and I, so just translated in however fashion you want and maybe see if you can produce any sort of related answer, I'm declaring again, sorry![]()
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 07-15-2012 at 02:21 PM.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Lol what a petty, controlling thing to say
"Don't respond, my word is final, mmk?"
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
no not at all.. he and i never have anything constructive or even nice to say to eachother, it's frustrating and annoying so why even bother?
it's a easy fix, neither of us says anything to the other. i don't see that as controlling or petty. we never say anything useful to the other anyways..
**AND i feel bad for ruining threads if it goes too far off topic.
Well I mean for the record I was doing a fairly successful job of ignoring you, you brought me up and to some extent I felt obligated to reply. Also I was trying to say I'm not retyping you because of this, I cited your behavior and how I reacted in an old thread as an indication of my typing of you always being Ti something. I just figured since we were having a conversation about it now would be an appropriate time to talk about my perspective.
Easy Day
Well it's not an unfair assessment, I'm sure; I haven't kept pace with your interactions, so I don't know, but that part struck me as an aggravating comment to be the target of.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...