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    Why are you insecure in relationships?

    Why do you criticize yourselves?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    Why are you insecure in relationships?

    Why do you criticize yourselves?
    Insecure in my relationships? I think not.
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    I feel ashamed. I'm insecure in my relationships because I feel ashamed. I know what my emotional world is like and I know what its done to people. How I feel is completely irrational and sometimes people can't handle that. Most of the time I can't handle that. When I meet someone I like, I immediately want to give them everything. I want to spend every second with them, to get to know them intellectually and emotionally. I want everything and not just everything, everything right now. I know that's not appropriate. It's selfish of me to act on my desires of others too strongly. So I don't. I try not to. I fail a lot. When I fail other people get hurt. I always should have known better. I should have given less. I should have hidden this part of me. I should have emphasized that one. When it comes to my emotions I don't know what the fucking rules are and the rules I do know I can't follow. That scares me. Not because I fear rejection, I accept myself and that's enough. I'm scared because I don't want to hurt anyone. I should know better than to be too open too soon. Than to be hurtful. Than to give to the wrong person. But I don't. That's my fault. I accept that. I can't fix it. I wouldn't if I could either. I may let very few people in but I know the people who can look inside and not feel frightened enjoy the chaos just as much as I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWC3 View Post
    I feel ashamed. I'm insecure in my relationships because I feel ashamed. I know what my emotional world is like and I know what its done to people. How I feel is completely irrational and sometimes people can't handle that. Most of the time I can't handle that. When I meet someone I like, I immediately want to give them everything. I want to spend every second with them, to get to know them intellectually and emotionally. I want everything and not just everything, everything right now. I know that's not appropriate. It's selfish of me to act on my desires of others too strongly. So I don't. I try not to. I fail a lot. When I fail other people get hurt. I always should have known better. I should have given less. I should have hidden this part of me. I should have emphasized that one. When it comes to my emotions I don't know what the fucking rules are and the rules I do know I can't follow. That scares me. Not because I fear rejection, I accept myself and that's enough. I'm scared because I don't want to hurt anyone. I should know better than to be too open too soon. Than to be hurtful. Than to give to the wrong person. But I don't. That's my fault. I accept that. I can't fix it. I wouldn't if I could either. I may let very few people in but I know the people who can look inside and not feel frightened enjoy the chaos just as much as I do.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWC3 View Post
    I feel ashamed. I'm insecure in my relationships because I feel ashamed. I know what my emotional world is like and I know what its done to people. How I feel is completely irrational and sometimes people can't handle that. Most of the time I can't handle that. When I meet someone I like, I immediately want to give them everything. I want to spend every second with them, to get to know them intellectually and emotionally. I want everything and not just everything, everything right now. I know that's not appropriate. It's selfish of me to act on my desires of others too strongly. So I don't. I try not to. I fail a lot. When I fail other people get hurt. I always should have known better. I should have given less. I should have hidden this part of me. I should have emphasized that one. When it comes to my emotions I don't know what the fucking rules are and the rules I do know I can't follow. That scares me. Not because I fear rejection, I accept myself and that's enough. I'm scared because I don't want to hurt anyone. I should know better than to be too open too soon. Than to be hurtful. Than to give to the wrong person. But I don't. That's my fault. I accept that. I can't fix it. I wouldn't if I could either. I may let very few people in but I know the people who can look inside and not feel frightened enjoy the chaos just as much as I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    you are perhaps sx-first.
    What's that mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWC3 View Post
    I feel ashamed. I'm insecure in my relationships because I feel ashamed. I know what my emotional world is like and I know what its done to people. How I feel is completely irrational and sometimes people can't handle that. Most of the time I can't handle that. When I meet someone I like, I immediately want to give them everything. I want to spend every second with them, to get to know them intellectually and emotionally. I want everything and not just everything, everything right now. I know that's not appropriate. It's selfish of me to act on my desires of others too strongly. So I don't. I try not to. I fail a lot. When I fail other people get hurt. I always should have known better. I should have given less. I should have hidden this part of me. I should have emphasized that one. When it comes to my emotions I don't know what the fucking rules are and the rules I do know I can't follow. That scares me. Not because I fear rejection, I accept myself and that's enough. I'm scared because I don't want to hurt anyone. I should know better than to be too open too soon. Than to be hurtful. Than to give to the wrong person. But I don't. That's my fault. I accept that. I can't fix it. I wouldn't if I could either. I may let very few people in but I know the people who can look inside and not feel frightened enjoy the chaos just as much as I do.
    you just seem pretty intense about your one-on-one relationships.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    you just seem pretty intense about your one-on-one relationships.
    Yeah, pretty much, mostly the same for platonic relationships too. I tend to be flash paper incarnate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWC3 View Post
    I feel ashamed. I'm insecure in my relationships because I feel ashamed. I know what my emotional world is like and I know what its done to people. How I feel is completely irrational and sometimes people can't handle that. Most of the time I can't handle that. When I meet someone I like, I immediately want to give them everything. I want to spend every second with them, to get to know them intellectually and emotionally. I want everything and not just everything, everything right now. I know that's not appropriate. It's selfish of me to act on my desires of others too strongly. So I don't. I try not to. I fail a lot. When I fail other people get hurt. I always should have known better. I should have given less. I should have hidden this part of me. I should have emphasized that one. When it comes to my emotions I don't know what the fucking rules are and the rules I do know I can't follow. That scares me. Not because I fear rejection, I accept myself and that's enough. I'm scared because I don't want to hurt anyone. I should know better than to be too open too soon. Than to be hurtful. Than to give to the wrong person. But I don't. That's my fault. I accept that. I can't fix it. I wouldn't if I could either. I may let very few people in but I know the people who can look inside and not feel frightened enjoy the chaos just as much as I do.
    Fe outlined in blue
    Fi outlined in red
    Ti outlined in bold
    Se outlined in green
    Enneagram 8/2 sx statement detected in purple (I'm assuming "giving" means that you want to lift them up and support their efforts by cheering them on, as opposed to the 3/7 definition of giving which is actually just more roundabout way of taking, lol).

    your Fi could be Fi polr though. I'm not making any judgements here I'm just assessing some things you've said.

    Also, don't say you're insecure because she asked you a loaded question. I'm probably projecting here but your APPARENT vulnerablity to that bullshit SUGGESTS Fi polr. I don't know you well enough to decide between Fi or Ti though. If my posts piss you off you're probably Fi/Te ego.

    Regardless of your type I think you should keep truckin and looking for someone who won't get upset because you give them everything you have to give, so long as you're not suffocating them by trying to know EVERYTHING about them and what they're doing at all times.

    Also, ask yourself how well you get along with INTp's, how many there are in your life vs INFp's. They can look similar at times too. INFp's have a more "homebody warm sit by the fire and talk about where you want to go in life" kinda vibe while INTp's have a more "lets go sit in the rain and have a cry about how much life sucks" vibe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    Fe outlined in blue
    Fi outlined in red
    Ti outlined in bold
    Se outlined in green

    your Fi could be Fi polr though. I'm not making any judgements here I'm just assessing some things you've said.
    Good show, dear boy! Now the next step is to simply examine what my sentiments towards those functions are. Is insecurity expressed when Ti-related information arises? Do I seem to be unable to affect to bold bits? How sure of my self am I when the blue bits peak out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWC3 View Post
    Good show, dear boy! Now the next step is to simply examine what my sentiments towards those functions are. Is insecurity expressed when Ti-related information arises? Do I seem to be unable to affect to bold bits? How sure of my self am I when the blue bits peak out?
    omg you're Ti'ing all over the place. Also I commented on a youtube vid you made about your negativism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    Fe outlined in blue
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    Ye, why are you, JWC3?

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    anyone else? ...dolphin?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    @JWC3: I want you inside me right now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravolez View Post
    @JWC3: I want you inside me right now!
    lol Well I mean, if you're ever in the states I'm always down with meeting socionics people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWC3 View Post
    lol Well I mean, if you're ever in the states I'm always down with meeting socionics people.
    Oh, just let him in, he's a renowned surgeon, he can do wonders to your anatomy. ILI+SEE love is worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravolez View Post
    @JWC3: I want you inside me right now!
    Ew.


    I still think JWC3 is sle.
    My three SEE friends have all been pretty insecure in their relationships (but that's just them, and they have all been screwed over before).

    Marista, why are EIIs so pushy? and only hear what they want to hear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackburry View Post
    Marista, why are EIIs so pushy? and only hear what they want to hear?
    Actually let's just say fuck it to what I was going to respond to you with, which was essentially tu quoque in a sort of roundabout way. Instead let's perhaps have an actual conversation about this.

    @blackburry Why do you think SLE > SEE with regards to my type?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWC3 View Post
    Actually let's just say fuck it to what I was going to respond to you with, which was essentially tu quoque in a sort of roundabout way. Instead let's perhaps have an actual conversation about this.

    @blackburry Why do you think SLE > SEE with regards to my type?
    I'm no where near as pushy as Marista nor did I start a thread about why SEEs are insecure.
    I merely stated a common theme I see with EIIs as she did with SEEs, but mine was in a half-ass joking way.
    yeah, glad you kept it to yourself.

    SLE seems to fit you more.
    just a vibe. you're extremely opinionated in a way I associate with a ton of Ti types. and your posts come
    off a lil douchey. in a sometimes (sometimes not) endearing way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackburry View Post
    I'm no where near as pushy as Marista nor did I start a thread about why SEEs are insecure.
    I merely stated a common theme I see with EIIs as she did with SEEs, but mine was in a half-ass joking way.
    yeah, glad you kept it to yourself.

    SLE seems to fit you more.
    just a vibe. you're extremely opinionated in a way I associate with a ton of Ti types. and your posts come
    off a lil douchey. in a sometimes (sometimes not) endearing way.
    Well yes. I do think that our disagreements are worthwhile from a socionics standpoint. OpCertainly I think the nature of our seemingly mutual dislike is characterized by Ti/Fi interactions. Though knowing that saying so will likely make me seem like I am politically retyping you in response to you retyping me, of the two of us I think you are far more likely Ti inclined than I am. For example your behavior in the dual jokes thread, in response to the holocaust jokes being told essentially struck me as "Holocaust jokes are never funny under any circumstance, no matter who's talking, and saying them makes you a horrible person" which I would say is a fairly concrete example of Ti structure being imposed upon individual behavior. So I reacted harshly because fuck your structure essentially.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackburry View Post
    Ew.


    I still think JWC3 is sle.
    My three SEE friends have all been pretty insecure in their relationships (but that's just them, and they have all been screwed over before).

    Marista, why are EIIs so pushy? and only hear what they want to hear?
    Ok that helps, so being screwed over makes someone insecure.
    I believe that EII are pushy because they are a Declaring type, because they devalue the finesse of Se, because they have poor ability to judge their senses (ie, did my information get through to the other individual, is it understood, can we conclude that it's been understood) I think when the other party affirms the receipt and says something like "I understand you" or "she is a literal person" that gives us the calming effect needed to back off; then we realize "yes, the person heard me." We get way too impassioned about our ideas and think that those ideas should be taken seriously by others, this is a combination of both valuing Ne, being a serious type, and the "should" which is impressing our moral understandings on others. I hope this makes some sense in the way I explain the complexity and dynamics of this interplay.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    Why are you insecure in relationships?

    Why do you criticize yourselves?
    In my experience they have a perennial requirement for external justification through admiration and sensual experiences.

    It's kind of like having a relationship with a food addict: gradually only feed them small doses and occasionally let them indulge, but don't keep taking them to banquets every ay or they will get fat and require even more food to make them feel better. Eventually you'll have a bitter shell with requirements that are impossible to meet. Replace food with admiration and sex.

    Replace this with the dual and you find that there is an explicit requirement for that person to attempt to even understand those phenomenon and to actively promote them when dealing with others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    In my experience they have a perennial requirement for external justification through admiration and sensual experiences.

    It's kind of like having a relationship with a food addict: gradually only feed them small doses and occasionally let them indulge, but don't keep taking them to banquets every ay or they will get fat and require even more food to make them feel better. Eventually you'll have a bitter shell with requirements that are impossible to meet. Replace food with admiration and sex.

    Replace this with the dual and you find that there is an explicit requirement for that person to attempt to even understand those phenomenon and to actively promote them when dealing with others.
    Unfortunately, yup.
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    I was in this relationship with an ESE once where we we're essentially just food addicts together. Of course we both ended up jaded, bitter, and really just hating the other person. God, that was one hell of a buffet though.
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    JWC3 where's your best friend?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    JWC3 where's your best friend?
    Which one? I'm more interested in what you're getting at though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWC3 View Post
    Which one? I'm more interested in what you're getting at though.
    stan? right? stan...where is he?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    stan? right? stan...where is he?
    Stan?! I'm going to go visit him tonight! He goes home for the summer but is in town this weekend so I'll be out committing sexual acts at him after I get out of work. He doesn't socionics anymore though, well he might but I tend to not bring it up so much because it makes us fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    Why are you insecure in relationships?

    Why do you criticize yourselves?
    I thought it was a little biased of you to assume SEEs were insecure or criticized themselves without asking them, properly, “Are you insecure?” or “Do you criticize yourselves?” (Afterwards it might be more appropriate to field your original questions.) It sounded like you had a specific context in mind to which you were implicitly referring so I was waiting to see if more information appeared on that front before rushing headlong into confirmation bias. “I am insecure in relationships” is an entirely different statement than “SEEs are insecure in relationships” and it takes quite a few logical leaps to connect the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    I thought it was a little biased of you to assume SEEs were insecure or criticized themselves without asking them, properly, “Are you insecure?” or “Do you criticize yourselves?” (Afterwards it might be more appropriate to field your original questions.) It sounded like you had a specific context in mind to which you were implicitly referring so I was waiting to see if more information appeared on that front before rushing headlong into confirmation bias. “I am insecure in relationships” is an entirely different statement than “SEEs are insecure in relationships” and it takes quite a few logical leaps to connect the two.
    Fwiw I'd assume almost everyone is insecure in their relationships sometimes. Well I mean not everyone but it just strikes me as fairly normal to not have everything figured out all the time. Or perhaps to have everything figured out all the time just not in every relationship ever. I dunno. Maybe some people do. I'm not really one of them. I am fairly overconfident at times though and the polar opposite other times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    I'm not saying it's not normal. I'm saying, is it relevant? If so, how? Why should I put energy into thinking about or answering this?
    I dunno *shrugs* I just did because she asked me to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    I thought it was a little biased of you to assume SEEs were insecure or criticized themselves without asking them, properly, “Are you insecure?” or “Do you criticize yourselves?” (Afterwards it might be more appropriate to field your original questions.) It sounded like you had a specific context in mind to which you were implicitly referring so I was waiting to see if more information appeared on that front before rushing headlong into confirmation bias. “I am insecure in relationships” is an entirely different statement than “SEEs are insecure in relationships” and it takes quite a few logical leaps to connect the two.
    You may be right, but my statement was from observation of many cases and many SEEs talking about their insecurities. This misunderstanding may arise out of Asking and Declaring differences between you and I, so just translated in however fashion you want and maybe see if you can produce any sort of related answer, I'm declaring again, sorry
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    You may be right, but my statement was from observation of many cases and many SEEs talking about their insecurities. This misunderstanding may arise out of Asking and Declaring differences between you and I, so just translated in however fashion you want and maybe see if you can produce any sort of related answer, I'm declaring again, sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    I thought it was a little biased of you to assume SEEs were insecure or criticized themselves without asking them, properly, “Are you insecure?” or “Do you criticize yourselves?” (Afterwards it might be more appropriate to field your original questions.) It sounded like you had a specific context in mind to which you were implicitly referring so I was waiting to see if more information appeared on that front before rushing headlong into confirmation bias. “I am insecure in relationships” is an entirely different statement than “SEEs are insecure in relationships” and it takes quite a few logical leaps to connect the two.
    ^ SUPERVISION

    but at the same time feels like it is often in need of modification or reformulation from the point of view of his leading function.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Lol what a petty, controlling thing to say

    "Don't respond, my word is final, mmk?"
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    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Lol what a petty, controlling thing to say

    "Don't respond, my word is final, mmk?"
    no not at all.. he and i never have anything constructive or even nice to say to eachother, it's frustrating and annoying so why even bother?
    it's a easy fix, neither of us says anything to the other. i don't see that as controlling or petty. we never say anything useful to the other anyways..

    **AND i feel bad for ruining threads if it goes too far off topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackburry View Post
    no not at all.. he and i never have anything constructive or even nice to say to eachother, it's frustrating and annoying so why even bother?
    it's a easy fix, neither of us says anything to the other. i don't see that as controlling or petty. we never say anything useful to the other anyways..

    **AND i feel bad for ruining threads if it goes too far off topic.
    Well I mean for the record I was doing a fairly successful job of ignoring you, you brought me up and to some extent I felt obligated to reply. Also I was trying to say I'm not retyping you because of this, I cited your behavior and how I reacted in an old thread as an indication of my typing of you always being Ti something. I just figured since we were having a conversation about it now would be an appropriate time to talk about my perspective.
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    Well it's not an unfair assessment, I'm sure; I haven't kept pace with your interactions, so I don't know, but that part struck me as an aggravating comment to be the target of.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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