Perfect. Now tell her what your type is.Originally Posted by Slacker
Fenryrr!!! is!! a! merry!!! typeeeee!!!!!
Fenryrr is a serious type.
Perfect. Now tell her what your type is.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
When are the instructions unclear? What does "right way" mean? Does it just mean a way to somehow get it done?Well, it's good to hear I'm not hitting you with Fi and making you uncomfortable!
Um, well, I get sort of annoyed when someone doesn't give me clear instructions or something. I find I keep asking if I'm doing something "the right way"...which seems Te-seeking maybe. It's really hard for me to explain this. I'm trying.
Weak Te, sure, but I can't tell if DS or PoLR. -.-Well, an example I like to use is how when hkkmr and I were cooking, he asked me to grate the cheese. I didn't know how to use this kind of cheese grater..and although this is a seemingly simple task, I was kinda hesitant about it. I asked him, "Is there a right way to do this?" and he showed me a way, but then I found a way that worked better for me
It doesn't seem like Te HA though.
You sound like my sister... hkkmr thinks she is IEI based on VI. She is so very inert and waits for others to get her to do stuff/go along with them.
But I'm still not excluding Te DS either. Either for you or for my sister
Overall, I don't know if she's IEI or EII. The same for you.
Let her just obtain "instructions" via tiny chat.
why not Te-HA?When are the instructions unclear? What does "right way" mean? Does it just mean a way to somehow get it done?
Weak Te, sure, but I can't tell if DS or PoLR. -.-
It doesn't seem like Te HA though.
You sound like my sister... hkkmr thinks she is IEI based on VI. She is so very inert and waits for others to get her to do stuff/go along with them.
But I'm still not excluding Te DS either. Either for you or for my sister
Overall, I don't know if she's IEI or EII. The same for you.
Also, by the "right way" I am looking for the best way I think..if that makes sense.
And I would hide my face in you and you would hide your face in me, and nobody would ever see us any more.
I don't see Se as necessarily bossy, just as prone to clarifying what action needs to be taken at that moment to get a desired result. SLEs put this into terms that I can understand with Ti and then I typically follow out of my own accord. I find Te far more "bossy" than Se, but I can see how Se would come across that way if you don't value it.I prefer to be led.I don't like being bossed around.
Sounds Te-valuing, seeking efficiency and whatnot. As Te-PoLR, I don't really care about the best way of doing something; I just care about getting it done. Dunno if other IEIs here are the same way, though. Maybe they'll chime in?...by the "right way" I am looking for the best way I think..if that makes sense.
The best way to do it might beas well, because if you compare Beta to Delta, Beta are more competitive, more concerned with best, brightest, most beautiful, hottest, while Deltas are more humble down to earth/etc.
Anyways, from what I've observed about somepolr such as Starfall, octo, glam, they're very much concerned with doing things in a very high level of expertise. But it's generally focused on a small area, like being a aesthetician, biologist, academia and other crafts/trades, as this is a 1-dimensional function and based on experience.
I heard about that and remembered a book full of lists of how to do things prepared for me by an LSI. I'm not sure that's a sign of Te valuing. It probably depends on what it means to her personally.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
I think Se focuses on achieving the best result, not necessarily with the best method. I could be misunderstanding, though.The best way to do it might be
Anyways, from what I've observed about some
I think that's an accurate observation about Te-PoLR (coupled with Ni), going for depth of knowledge/expertise over breadth.
Eh. I think I'm too laid-back to be competitive and go getter ish but I do love beautiful things. I can be shallow in that sense, I kinda just want everybody to look hot.Beta are more competitive, more concerned with best, brightest, most beautiful, hottest, while Deltas are more humble down to earth/etc.
I think competitive is a loaded word. I think when most people think of 'competitive' they think of a stereotypical straight ESTj man in a business suit working hard with the economy and the "real world" doing a job, but you can be competitive in the IEI/SEI homebody way with video games or a nerdier obsession. Also competition is weird, you can only be truly competitive in a few skills anyway - nobody is narcissistically good at everything. The narcissistic hollywood people just know their place in the world better and know how to be more pure or something. It's like competition is sharp and precise and singularly focused, and empathy is more rounded and whole.
HA is more confident than what you described, IMO.
Anyway... you seem very comforting/stabilizing, so I have nothing against Fe-creative for you.
But I would definitely like to know what you mean by best way and why do you want it the best way?
Competitive to me means focusing on winning. I don't get the ESTj thing, heh.
What do you mean by "truly" competitive? As long as someone tries to compete, it is being competitive, nothing to do with being "good" at the stuff.
Though, this is just a question of word usage here.
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I'm not Te valuing in the socionics sense, but efficiency in a sense is still important to me because I'm very sensitive to time. It annoys me to no end if I perceive something I'm doing is going too slow, and I will do everything I can to make things speed up so I can get to my goal faster. That often means caring about efficiency in a certain sense. Like, I was using the browser that had the fastest GUI when PC's were slower (fast enough now). Everyone around me used a different browser that I perceived to be SLOOOOOOOW. Apparently that didn't bother most people or they just didn't know about the alternatives. -.-
OTOH, I don't care about the method as long as the result is achieved - fast enough if possible, so method matters in this sense but otherwise not. So not really Te valuing, even if on the surface it sounds like it because of valuing "efficiency".
I do think I'm IP temperament too, octo.
I wish I knew what more to offer that might help.
And I would hide my face in you and you would hide your face in me, and nobody would ever see us any more.
I don't know why does it get on my nerves so much when you talk of LSEs like they're the definition of evil.. I mean, people hating on their conflictors is usually great fun, but you're just being lousy. Te =/= business/work/suits/being competitive/being straight/being a productive part of society and not having a brain. I've known quite a few LSEs, but not a single one that cared much about work (or well, there was this elementary school teacher of mine that did, but you don't really make money being a public school teacher - he just loved kids) or duties or tradition or society or any other bullshit like that, and you'd have to threaten them with a gun to get them to wear ugly, uncomfortable suits. LSEs are mostly just endearing, comfort-seeking drunkards, the Si subtypes especially. LIEs are supposed to be the stereotypical businessmen of socion, I think, but funnily the ones I know personally are all either hipsters of some sort or welfare parasite hippies. So F U beta, Te rocks.
probably not BnD's identical. i'm also sort of having trouble seeing you as an ESTps' dual cause you seem to have a certain emotional ... integrity? ... not like someone who gets a kick out of being violated and messed with or tolerates that stuff easily without feeling too bad about it. maybe i'm pegging you completely wrong, though.
I was kidding. Relax lol And I was agreeing with you that that stereotype of LSEs was silly and I wasn't genuinely hating on anybody. I was mocking/being sardonic etc.I mean, people hating on their conflictors is usually great fun, but you're just being lousy. Te =/= business/work/suits/being competitive/being straight/being a productive part of society and not having a brain.
From the little i saw of you in Tinychat, it seemed as though you had one of those genuine full faced Fe smiles.
So through the highly inaccurate use of VI, i'll say IEI.
Projection is ordinary. Person A projects at person B, hoping tovalidate something about person A by the response of person B. However, person B, not wanting to be an obejct of someone elses ego and guarding against existential terror constructs a personality which protects his ego and maintain a certain sense of a robust and real self that is different and separate from person A. Sadly, this robust and real self, cut off by defenses of character from the rest of the world, is quite vulnerable and fragile given that it is imaginary and propped up through external feed back. Person B is dimly aware of this and defends against it all the more, even desperately projecting his anxieties back onto person A, with the hope of shoring up his ego with salubrious validation. All of this happens without A or B acknowledging it, of course. Because to face up to it consciously is shocking, in that this is all anybody is doing or can do and it seems absurd when you realize how pathetic it is.
Okay, I have to say I'm impressed and that doesn't happen often.
It's pretty funny you mention you active verbs thing. I've had it written on my papers many times that I use passive voice way too much. I'm pretty hesitant to use active voice because it seems so...severe.@fenryrr,
I can't see you as a Dynamic type, given that your descriptive language tends to center around presenting states and attributes of things, rather than portraying in terms of developing processes or events. Compare and contrast your writing to Dynamic types in this thread (such as the IEIs, or mine), and it isn't difficult to discern that their writing has greater 'movement' to it with more prolific use of active verbs, and so on—whereas your writing has more of a fixed and discrete tone to it (neither is 'better' than the other of course, these are only qualitative differences in style which I believe reflect certain cognitive-linguistic distinctions between types).
On self-assessing for Se-valuing, try getting into the headspace of an
As for EP vs. IP temperament, yeah you do come across a bit inert energy-wise. But factor considerations such as… A) You're an E9. B) You say you're prone to depression. C) EPs aren't always energetic—most will exhibit visible cycling between relaxed and active states; while EJs will often (but not always) appear as the more perpetually frenetic ones IME. D) Ji-EP subtypes are less stereotypically "EP" relative to Pe-EP subtypes (for example, hkkmr consistently strikes me as 'low energy' despite being of obvious EP temperament).
..I think I used the passive in that short snippet. "I've had it written..."
I'll look into Beta-ST writers.
And I would hide my face in you and you would hide your face in me, and nobody would ever see us any more.
this is random but i was reminded of how i started reading the novella The Old Man and the Sea by Ernest Hemingway a while back, and despite the fact that it has barely 100 pages i find it very difficult to read. there's a weird start-and-stop flow to the narrative and i keep reading ahead a few words and then realizing i didn't understand what was said. it's like it's too densely packed with detail and i have to read it very carefully or i miss out on important bits.
hemingway is commonly typed as estp to my knowledge and that makes sense because his writing is littered with se and fe themes. his style is dull to me, because of its bluntness. it's like the implications of those situations aren't properly explored while only the stark details are explicitly communicated... which could be a difference b/w ne/si and se/ni.
Okay cool, I'll have to pick it up.
And I would hide my face in you and you would hide your face in me, and nobody would ever see us any more.
Hemingway is the writer which imo defined writing in active voice btw.
I think active voice and passive voice is something that is influence by static, but also other traits such as extroversion, sensing, etc.
If there is one factor that is involve in active/passive voice I've found it is Asker/Declarer, but this is uncertain to me. I tend to use a passive voice as a asker, but IEE's like Rick and SLE's I've known tend to use a more active voice and more natural proficiency with active voice.
If you think about probably the most famous passive voice line written basically ever...
It's "To be or not to be--that is the question"... which was written by Shakespeare. I think I've found good writers master both. However, I think Shakespeare writes in multiple voices which are evidenced in the characters in his plays, but most of them are active voice parts.
And that were my thoughts as well. It is pretty evident in this thread alone browsing through posts some people so effortlessly produce without even thinking what they're doing. Actually, they know exactly what they're doing and that to me is blatant harm done to a person. Must be decency and ability not to hurt speaking through some of them.
haha, that makes sense to me. he's the closest thing to a real life version of The World's Most Interesting Man that i know of.hemingway is commonly typed as estp to my knowledge
Bah, I really wanna get this resolved, but I don't think I ever will.
IEX for eternity.
And I would hide my face in you and you would hide your face in me, and nobody would ever see us any more.
I AM MAKING A DECISION.
I am IEI because I need a decisive,, action-oriented Se person...because otherwise I'll never decide and never do anything.
Though this could be E9 stuff.
...feel free to continue to contribute though,
And I would hide my face in you and you would hide your face in me, and nobody would ever see us any more.
I find the more I sit around thinking of myself in terms of socionics, the less I see myself as I really am. Keep what you know in mind but just go and live life and pause to consider what you see in the mirror, what you respond favorably towards, who and what responds favorably and unfavorably towards you. And keep the forum people's biases out of it. You'll be fine. We'll figure it out (I periodically question this sort of thing, too).
People will see what they want to see until they just take a cold and hard look at what really comes across in everyday life. I find just hanging around and thinking of socionics blurs the truth, though. Think for yourself. Don't let other people think for you.
Shit, Parkster just killed himself. (Or alternatively, moved to beta.)
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
maybe you should ask yourself why you need to have this settled and what you have to gain from it. from my vantage point, fen, it seems you are not quite sure of who you are, and this insistence on learning your type is more of an effort to find an identity for yourself. if that's so, then maybe you need to take off your type glasses and confront yourself for who you really are, who you want to be, and what is important to you, rather than stumbling through these arbitrary labels in hopes of finding familiarity.
just a thought. ignore this if you like.
I want to get it resolved largely because there is such a rift between how people see me. I'm wondering what the inconsistency is...and I'm trying to figure out why.
And I would hide my face in you and you would hide your face in me, and nobody would ever see us any more.
There is going to be one. It is no surprise at least to me for socionics fails to reflect the vibrancy and heterogeneity of this community focusing on some sterile sketches, portraits and descriptions that one just has to fit in no matter what. In other words, what's not in socionics and what doesn't fit is going to be discarded, replaced and adjusted just to sustain its reign.
How do you want people to see you?
ROFL
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
I TOLD YOU. He's slowly transforming into some beta ST.
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
I AM MAKING A DECISION.
I am IEI because I need a decisive,, action-oriented Se person...because otherwise I'll never decide and never do anything.
Though this could be E9 stuff.
...feel free to continue to contribute though,
E9 stuff? Now did you decide or not?
You sound very clear about Se suggestive. Just stick to IEI.
You're using your Se+Ti+Ti(Ti+Se plus Ti+Se plus Se+Ti, plus Ti+Ti+Se) to arrive at any coherent conclusion. I like socionics.
lulz
Fenryrr of Finryrr, what's it gonna be??
I think it's very likely that you aren't any of those two types, fenryrr. Start over and look outside of your current options.
If you weren't IEI/IEE, what else could you be?
If you're going to discount those two, please offer a better typing.
I dunno what else I could be. Some perceiving NF is most likely. I am not IJ or EJ.
And I would hide my face in you and you would hide your face in me, and nobody would ever see us any more.
Why not? If you're saying this with absolute certainty then it's decided, but are you sure of it? Besides, why did you discount both EJ and IJ? They are nothing alike. For instance, I can understand someone saying they're not IJ or EP since they are both Statics, or Dynamics (IP and EJ). You should either relate to one attitude such as IP, or two similar attitudes (Statics or Dynamics). But you relating to both IP and EP doesn't make any sense.I am not IJ or EJ.
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