Type me, if you please

[Aquagraph]

Could it just be attributed to synaesthesia?

I agree what she said but I got to thinking that synesthesia might correlate with particularly strong (or weak) Si?
Like maybe alexithymia correlates with weak (or strong‽) Si.

[lemontrees]

Our reaction to your overtly apologetic reaction was "AWW!".

Aww

[Beautiful sky]

SeFi

This and it's confirm on that. I'm adding you to my list, aivonua.

[Aivonaima]

This and it's confirm on that. I'm adding you to my list, aivonua.

-__-

[fen]

Soooo the point of this thread was for aqua to confirm that you are his dual and for him to discount any other option for your typing.
I don't necessary disagree with SEI...I don't really have an opinion. It's just so obvious that the intentions here were to seek confirmation of that typing, rather than obtain actual input.

[Radio]

when you made your introductory post i thought isfp seemed a bit odd. you have this insular closed-off energy that unnerves and intimidates me, lol. i cant really describe it, like being physically involved but cerebrally independent and cut-off from other people or having to deal w/ their bullshit. that kind of insularity i associate with ixtj types, istj moreso than intj. i dont get this vibe from any isfp that i know of.

its possible my opinion will change of you if you stick around longer but from vi i can pick out se-ego and introverted. im tentatively inclined to agree w/ se-istj but we'll see.

[Radio]

just to note, the usual istj stereotype is closer to ti-istj. se-istjs are more experiential, forceful, vibrant, occasionally dramatic, artistic and so on. i think a lot of what you say regarding creating situations and persuading other people strikes me as coming from a rational + static mindset. ixxp types more usually slink into the background and mediate situations rather than take charge. also bits about craving experences and sensations is more se than si - object statics rather than field dynamics.

i'm not saying you cant be isfp, just stating reasons for why istj isn't that far off from how you describe yourself.

[Radio]

sure, i'll elaborate on this when i get my pc back.

[anndelise]

Out of personal interest, and to try to understand you a bit better based on what you have said so far, I looked up asperger's traits and found this chart listing ones that someone felt fit women more than the typical male AS signs.



You, of course, are already aware of your issues, but maybe something like this could show WA or others what kinds of things you might be dealing with that surfacely might not show in a first video.

While I am more curious as to which you would identify for yourself, I'm going to attempt to anticipate some of them. (sorry, I can have a tendency to get personally probing into areas that some might be uncomfy with. If you aren't comfy answering, then please just say so.) Do these apply to you? (note, the ? At the beginning means that I'm really guessing, asking, and/or am really unsure if it's applicable.)

 

* strong sensory issues - sounds, sights, smells, touch, and prone to overload (I think this was said, or at least strongly hinted at. Add in the synesthesia....and wow...harsh.)

* eccentric personality; may be reflected in appearance (?in my mind might be related to the next two??)

* ?may have androgynous traits despite outwardly feminine appearance (chosen partly due to the "in drag" picture. It seemed that maybe you've been in drag a few times more than for just the picture.)

* may not have a strong sense of identity and can be very chamelion like (chosen because you talked about things as being performances, and you'll alter your behavior according to what you're wearing and such)

* may have been thought of as gifted, shy, sensitive, etc.

* often musical, artistic

* may have savant skills or strong talent(s)

* ?highly intelligent, yet sometimes can be slow to comprehend due to sensory and cognitive processing issues (chosen because of the comments about putting theory into more concrete application...(that wasn't the phrase you used...i forgot what phrase you used ). Add in the synesthesia thing, and sensory overload thing, and that,s why I'm guessing this.)

* sensitive to medications and anything else put into body, so may have adverse reactions (you mentioned cooking, and I'm wondering if you have food allergies or particular tastes that others might consider "peculiar". I have a neighbor that is constantly switching around what kinds of food she eats or her family members can eat. Often she and her daughter has adverse reactions to "common" foods. They get their foods solely from the health food store, spending an outrageous amount of money in their efforts to find foods and recipes that they won't adversely react to. Interestingly enough (to me) is that from picture two on, plus the video, your looks have been very similar to my neighbor's daughter's.)

* words and actions often misunderstood by others (but don't we all feel this way a LOT??)

* will shut down in social situations once overloaded; better at socializing in small doses; may even give appearance of skilled, but it is a 'performance'. (if you were prone to synestheasia overload, and often misunderstood by others, and/or tailoring your 'chamelion like performances' to those around you, it would make sense that you would choose to be around people that didn't trigger these things as much in you, and avoid the more superficial ones)

I'm sorry to not be able/willing to offer thoughts on your type/typing. I prefer to take my time before even tentatively forming an opinion like that. (and by "time"...it could be years, if ever, )

Again, if what I wrote...or write...or ask...is too personal, too intimate, then please feel free to tell me to back off. I won't be offended...I'd be sorry for offending you.

Oh, on similar note, if you just don,t want to talk about this now, then again, just tell me. My curiosity needs reigning in anyways.

[Ver]

To me you seem very interesting yet intimidating. My first quess was INTj but only because I got a similar vibe from you that I used to get from my ex INTj boyfriend.
And I also think you are very pretty and I'm jealous of your achievements Welcome to the forum.

[Animal]

You remind me a bit of Sheryl Sandberg, COO of Facebook. She seems to get along well with Mark Zuckerberg (one of the Alpha NTs, probably ILE), although I'm not sure she's his dual or even activity partner. Here is Sandberg with Zuckerberg:

[redbaron]

I vote IEI. I've been told I'm extremely sensual too. Doesn't equal Si-base.

Irrational, in any case.

[Aquagraph]

You're IEI. Nuff said.

That's the second most probable typing I'd give her but I don't still believe it, really. Can you explicate it?
I know she comes off as bit daydreamy

[redbaron]

Thank you a lot for this! I bet I will have use for this later on, too.




Yes, all of the things you listed more or less apply to me. And don't worry, I'm okay talking about this as long as nobody's being purposely rude.



This. I need to have different kinds of anesthesia shots at the dentist, the normal ones make me faint...


Yes, we seem to do.




I thinks that's a great trait, you know.




I've actually had a relationship with one very possible INTj guy (and he has affected & affects me a lot). And, I have other INTj friends. I get along with them extremely well, but don't really relate very strongly on their type. Interesting thought, anyway. And thank you.



I used to think I was IEI, too. Mostly because of my vivid imagination and daydreaminess. But now that I've had a good in-depht training () for days, I've noticed I had weird beliefs of what some things meant. Anyway, I don't consider IEI impossible, not at all. Yet still, I relate to many ISFp descriptions very strongly. And the way things work out between me and in my opinion, blatantly obvious ILEs, makes me even more certain.

I was quite reluctant at first when Aqua hinted he pretty much believes me to be SEI because I used to think I was IEI so strongly, but after all this research, being SEI just matches up with pretty much everything way too well.

okay, that's cool.

[Aivonaima]

okay, that's cool.

Your quote is killing me.

[mu4]

AS diagnosis is purely behavioral and without any understanding of the causal mechanics, so I am extremely skeptical of the diagnosis, and parents who get their children diagnosed. Autism diagnosis is almost unheard of in areas which do not practice modern psychiatry. Professional diagnostics of ASD is imo a lot of drug peddling to deal with the problem of diversity and humanity's oft times inability to cope with diversity.

Other symptoms of Asperger syndrome may include:
Obsessive or repetitive routines and rituals
Motor-skill problems, such as clumsy or uncoordinated movements and delays in motor skills
Social-skill problems, especially related to communicating with others
Sensitivity to sensory information, such as light, sound, texture, and taste

This is basically what it takes, and it's like 6 out of 12 criteria kinda of BS. So a professional diagnosis is just a checklist of traits which affect your social integration with "neuro-typicals" who are in generally just as fucked as you are but without a diagnosis. This is one of the things that's pissed me off the most about modern psychiatry. Imo typology would explain most of these trait which I've listed in a much more disorder neutral fashion.

If you're diagnosis you're probably diagnosed under DSM IV which is very bad for diagnosis, this is why you see autism diagnosis growing by 1000% and etc, there is a huge business in this and it's a shame real autistic children are being lost by the deluge of the faux ASD diagnosis which is imo largely to placate mothers and parents.

This is not to say "ASD" symptoms aren't problems, and can cause social issues as well as problems dealing with others, because absolutely they do, but it's very much because a diversity of experience is possible and in many ways necessary in humanity.

I'm sure you display ASD symptoms, imo they mean less in typology, because naturally there would be types that display ASD traits which could fulfill the diagnostic criteria. I'm pretty sure this is just a pet peeve of mine because autistic is a pejorative people have used on me.

Anyways, I think IEI or even EIE.

[mu4]

Please, don't even start with this again. I've been diagnosed on my adult age (ADD for my own request, AS because of how I acted at my ADD controls), because, like I already told, I was the child genius whose problems weren't taken seriously because of my outstanding grades in school, and only after everything started piling up when I was supposed to grow up did they become really visible.

I'm not going to discuss this subject any further in this topic, thank you.

EIE is an interesting thought – I'll look and ponder onto it!

Then I think almost for sure you're some sort of weak type, if not polr.

If you think you have anything in common with a 80 IQ autistic person, think polar opposites and how those can seem kinda of similar.

Anyways I don't doubt your ADD issues or ASD problems, as these are tangible problems, but I think the diagnostics does not tell us anything about you or give cause to what makes you a certain way.

It's how DSM IV diagnostics work as well as many medical diagnosis that fail to provide any insight into a person's nature that's the problem. If they diagnosed you during your own intervention, it still doesn't change what I, you are just your own mom and maybe the diagnosis makes you feel better.

Typology offers a much better description of why you have these problems then ASD or ADHD imo.

[redbaron]

I'm very Te polr also!

What is it about the quote?

Also, weird that you're getting people thinking SEI, IEI and EIE as those are the three that were tossed around for me also although only Maritsa thinks EIE. (I think)

[mu4]

Please, do tell me more about what makes you think so? Like I edited in my last post (a bit too late, apparently), I consider myself very, VERY visibly Te-PoLR – almost like a textbook example.

Well, IEI would be role, so weak and still polr.

Also cooking is not just a ego thing, super-ego types can also be good at this sort of thing, the best chef I've met is EIE, and there are chefs that learn this so they can cook everything they eat instead of letting others do it and contaminate it.

Just as there are experts in relationships and people who are otherwise allergic to people and contact with them and study them thru the lens of analytics or work.

[Aivonaima]

Also cooking is not just a ego thing, super-ego types can also be good at this sort of thing, the best chef I've met is EIE, and there are chefs that learn this so they can cook everything they eat instead of letting others do it and contaminate it.

That kind of reasoning could prove anything to any way or another, you know.

[redbaron]

Well, IEI would be role, so weak and still polr.

Also cooking is not just a ego thing, super-ego types can also be good at this sort of thing, the best chef I've met is EIE, and there are chefs that learn this so they can cook everything they eat instead of letting others do it and contaminate it.

Just as there are experts in relationships and people who are otherwise allergic to people and contact with them and study them thru the lens of analytics or work.

I don't know that role is always "weak". I mean, it's not as strong as base obviously but I think it can certainly come across as strong. For instance, I used to bake homemade bread and pizza all the time. I'm also a knitter, spinner and weaver. This does not make me SEI but I'm pretty damn good at that stuff. I dunno. *shrug* Be careful about typing based on things like that, I'd say.

But maybe that was basically your point.

Anyway, a.n. seems more intense than any SEI I've ever met. Which is why I said IEI I guess. She seems beta>alpha.

[mu4]

But maybe that was basically your point.

Basically one of the things about role function is that you wish you were as good at it as your base function.

[mu4]

Nope, I'm no beta. That's for sure. At least almost nothing in the description seems to match very well, besides maybe the poetic or dramatic way of expressing things. I enjoy the company of alphas clearly over other types and a lot of the alpha descriptions match me preeeeetty well.

Also, one possibly very Fe'ish thing about me is that I don't hold on to my emotions for long. Can't stay angry for more than a few minutes usually. It causes problems with people sometimes, when they want to sort out stuff that is long gone for me.

Haha, you sound very judicious to me, so welcome to Alpha!

But, I'm going to say no way are you alpha(except I just edited this cuz I'm not 100% certain), your quote is remarkably like something a EIE will say, who said it btw? Let me look it up, Oh wait, it's Lady Gaga...

BETA

[fen]

Also, one possibly very Fe'ish thing about me is that I don't hold on to my emotions for long. Can't stay angry for more than a few minutes usually. It causes problems with people sometimes, when they want to sort out stuff that is long gone for me.

I'm the same way but I'm not an Fe type.

[Absurd]

Looks like Freddy Mercury - beta it is.

[Aivonaima]

your quote is remarkably like something a EIE will say, who said it btw? Let me look it up, Oh wait, it's Lady Gaga...

BETA

Has she been typed reliably? I remember browsing through a conversation about her type and most people came to the conclusion of her being ISFp. Coul've been MBTI stuff, tho, don't remember.

But, uhh, I like many kinds of art, I don't think that's something you could base your typing on?

[mu4]

Has she been typed reliably? I remember browsing through a conversation about her type and most people came to the conclusion of her being ISFp. Coul've been MBTI stuff, tho, don't remember.

But, uhh, I like many kinds of art, I don't think that's something you could base your typing on?

There are certainly people who will type her SEI/SEE and others who will type her EIE, but imo it's EIE. I looked up the article you wrote by Gaga, it's very much a article a victim type would write.

http://www.gaganews.com/2011/10/13/v...morandum-no-4/

[Aivonaima]

I looked up the article you wrote by Gaga, it's very much a article a victim type would write.

Oh, to me she just seems magickal.

[redbaron]

Basically one of the things about role function is that you wish you were as good at it as your base function.

lol! Okay, that fits!

[strangeling]

I would really like to ask you some things about your AS to compare to myself, because I've always suspected, but I don't want to be rude. Would you be okay with that? If so, should I start a thread elsewhere or PM you?

[Aivonaima]

I would really like to ask you some things about your AS to compare to myself, because I've always suspected, but I don't want to be rude. Would you be okay with that? If so, should I start a thread elsewhere or PM you?

I'm okay about AS (or ADD) talk as long as you don't try to tell me I do it to be cool or unique or whatnot, or try to invalidate my diagnosis, for that, that's just a waste of time and plain nasty. Just keep that in your mind and I'm okay, I'd gladly answer your questions especially if it helps you in a way or another.

[Valkyrie]

This and it's confirm on that. I'm adding you to my list, aivonua.

Aye.

[Valkyrie]

Joking time is over, sweetie pies! That's about the farthest you could get from me. Which means, despite all the things I've heard about Maritsa's amazing typing skills, she got it wrong this time. There's absolutely nothing SEE about me, and it's confirm on that.

But seriously speaking, why don't you give me a bit of that sweet sweet reasoning of yours? I'm always fascinated to hear people tell how they reach conclusions, in their own words.

@gambit, I'm taking my time to answer your questions as well as I can, I'll get back to them later.

Well, me agreeing with Maritsa is kinda just circumstantial.
I developed my reading abilities independently, in a very different way outside of socionics, and just recently joined here.

But I'll try my best to explain. I just need to eat first. O:

[Valkyrie]

Kay, I'm back. Umm...

Well, let's see... *cracks knuckles*
Oh boy. I'll start with the first minute.
I can go further than that if you want. o_o

General Analysis (void of function assicoation)

0:01 - "Hi" Aivo is looking at the camera, or some fixed point, while resting her head on her hand. She looks relaxed, in her comfort zone, and non-nervous.

0:04 - "I'm making this video" is spoken with a relaxation as she leans in and rests her head further into her palm. Afterward her eyes look up and blink.

0:07 - "..obviously so you can video type me" is spoken while her eyes are closed. Her head shakes left to right.

0:10 - "I feel like I'm pretty certain about my type already". While saying this, Aivo's eyes widen to the brim of her sockets twice. Her eyes look a bit intimidating, sharp, and penetrative. Her strong eyes also compliment the masculinity of her overall persona and confidence in her words/opinions.

0:12 - Aivo smiles here. Her smile goes up toward the center of the face (using the muscles near the nostrils) and her cheeks become round. The smile is overall a bit awkward and breaks the previous 'serious' countenance she had.

0:14 - Once again her eyes expand to the brim of their sockets several times, and stare sharply at something, with a penetrative force - as she talks.

0:17 - "Especially.." as she says this she looks up to her right, as if to help her form her words.

0:19 - "..haven't met me" as she says this her eyebrows raise a bit in a twitch, while her eyes remain relaxed. There's also a very slight head-shake.

0:22 - "....who don't know me" as she says this, once again she raises her eyebrows in a twitch and shakes her head.

0:23 - Looks up while thinking.

0:26 - Eyes become amped again - to brim of sockets - while blinking slightly, and motioning with her left hand.

0:30 - Several occasions of blinking in the past few seconds, and moving positions.

0:32 - Lands on a stare again, but this time it is not amped: moreso as if she is staring through her point of focus. Though still very much engaged and "locked".

0:34 - Whole body pauses for a moment. She looks to her right and stares intently as she formulates her sentence, then snaps out of it at 0:36.

0:39 - "ADHD...with asperger traits." as she says she does something very specific with her face. Her eyebrows raise, and her mouth widens toward the beginning of the word, then the expression drops before the end of the word. This gives off a very "know-it-all" type of aura.

0:41 - "You can't really tell..." she says this very per-emptively as if she knows a person's initial reaction would be "really? i don't see it, you look fine". I get the impression that she's probably been told this several times.

She smiles as she says this, and shakes her head, and there's a brief moment where she lets down her guard. In general her disposition is very solid, confident and sure of itself, but here and at 0:12 it breaks for a little.

0:43 - "...that I'm Asperger." this is said almost in a shout, with eyes popping out. Yet it seems like an accidental over-emphasis. Her voice is very dispassionate and blunt/direct, somewhat uncaring.

0:46 - "..from the first impression." as she says this her face becomes awkward. Awkward in a similar way to someone who smelled something nasty, or heard a weird joke. But the expression is a bit out-of-place and it seems that even Aivo isn't entirely aware she is making that face.

0:47 - Very quick look to her upper right.

0:50 - "After you get to know" here there are again a series of popping-eyes and penetrative stares. But notice how the timing of the eye-emphasis is odd, and out of place.

0:53 - "you can.. like..." as she says this, she is shaking her head a lot, very quickly, as if the words are about come come out of her mouth but are delayed.

0:56 - She looks to her right again, and pauses completely. Her eyes fixate on some point she is staring at.

0:57 - A smile creeps up on her face, and dispels her otherwise stone-face, giving it a sort of manic look in combination with the eyes.


*****

Note: I will be using these signals in the interpretation:
http://physiognomy.me/b01/v8.html
http://physiognomy.me/b01/v4.html
http://physiognomy.me/b01/v2.html

Te Head Shake: 0:07, 0:41, 0:53
Te Face Push: 0:19, 0:22, 0:39, 0:43
Se Lock On: 0:10, 0:14, 0:26, 0:50
Fi Unaware Face: 0:12, 0:46, 0:50, 0:57
Ni Zone-Out: 0:32
Discernment (Rational) Lead: 0:30, 0:34, 0:56

Now before I start I have to take a step back. I definitely do see the functions: Te/Fi & Se/Ni, but the ordering may be different. Now that I've taken a finer look at it, the function ordering is more likely to be Te-Ni-Se-Fi. I apologize for the premature deduction; this one feels a lot more solid, though still thinking. I usually try to avoid typing people with special mental... "conditions" seems too strong a word. Perhaps "variations". In any case, a psychological explanation:

The overall aura you carry has a level of confidence, independence and impenetrability to it. This is special to others in that it seems entirely natural and "you", not feigned or forced. This supports the notion of having Te as first or second process. There is also a rigidity to your body, with a gravity to you that doesn't allow for a lot of animation or variation from one specific set of gestures. This rigidity is characteristic of Rational types.

The shruggish and meh-ish aura you also emit is more support of Te, as Te has a very blunt and "whatever" sort of vibe to is without even trying. It is an attitude of "yeah-i-know". This is also supported further by the presence of Fi unaware-face. Having Fi as one's fourth function gives the face a strange and often accidental set of movements that don't really fit in with the rest of the face or the presentation being given. There is an element of awkwardness and lack of conscious control over the face's expressions --- unlike Fe which specializes in facial control and emitting a desired expression.

The Se is seen in the way your eyes become amped and fixated on things, bulging out. Yet they're not "always" on, as they would be in an Se lead type. They go into hiding, then suddenly pop back out, then the eye relax into a mildly zoned-out Ni stare, until the next Se pop-out. This suggests Ni comes before Se.

So overall, I am most confident that those four functions are at play, fairly confident that you are a Rational, and moderately certain you are TeNi. And I was probably wrong on the function order on my previous post.

[Beautiful sky]

Joking time is over, sweetie pies! That's about the farthest you could get from me. Which means, despite all the things I've heard about Maritsa's amazing typing skills, she got it wrong this time. There's absolutely nothing SEE about me, and it's confirm on that.

But seriously speaking, why don't you give me a bit of that sweet sweet reasoning of yours? I'm always fascinated to hear people tell how they reach conclusions, in their own words.

I haven't changed my mind yet.

[Beautiful sky]

Well all i'm saying is, i recommend getting a second opinion from a different "trained professional" in Finland. That is, unless you really like feeling unique with those labels in which case that's fine. You can also get extra time to finish exams which is a nice perk too.

^I guess you don't trust some things either?

[Beautiful sky]

I'm okay about AS (or ADD) talk as long as you don't try to tell me I do it to be cool or unique or whatnot, or try to invalidate my diagnosis, for that, that's just a waste of time and plain nasty. Just keep that in your mind and I'm okay, I'd gladly answer your questions especially if it helps you in a way or another.

I have a question. Why does this upset you (the part where ppl try to invalidate your diagnosis)?

And how do you display Ne DS?

[Absurd]

I copy a lot of my expressions and gestures from other people, whoever I happen to be with. Sometimes I feel like a blank silicone doll, reflecting others like a mirror, or then showing them what they want to see. It comes of smoothly, even automatically. And yes – sometimes I feel like even I don't know how I really am.

Put dissociative identity disorder in that shopping cart of yours. In no time you're going to refer to yourself as a list of mental disorders drawing numerous certified nutjob shrinks present on this site offering you their utmost and error-free diagnosis of your mental planes, said the squirrel to the Prince when passing him by.

[Aquagraph]

I have a question. Why does this upset you (the part where ppl try to invalidate your diagnosis)?

And how do you display Ne DS?

Why do you ask? You have said that you don't change your typings.

[Aivonaima]

Put dissociative identity disorder in that shopping cart of yours.

Dissociative disorder would require dissociation, you know.

And: The Avalanches. <3