Functions of Kristiina, part 4

[Joy]

vote for the weakest function por favor

[Kristiina]

I vote Si, because I'm the clumsiest person ever! And that does have something to do with socionics. And I can't say Ne, because I really identified with Dianas responces to Rocky's thread in general discussion. (the one with commenting the 10 pictures for a better test.). Answers were similar, and my reasoning was also very similar, although I didn't write all of it down.

PS! Go give feedback to Rocky's thread. I want that test to work.

[Kristiina]

Explain the Ne here. How is this the weakest, you have got to be kidding me...

[Joy]

because you make all these strange nonsensical connections and assumptions and say the most ridiculous things as if they're common knowledge. that's more than just weak Ne... but weak Ne is definitely a big part of it.

[Kristiina]

That's actually not Ne at all. I would think it's rather lack of Te/Ti in case the outcome is wrong. But it isn't wrong (at least not logically. Maybe ethically, but ethics is always subjective anyway). What you described is lack of Fe/Fi. Fe because I'm unable to say the right things in the right way and Fi because I can't understand how others would feel if I said something.

I've always had a problem with other people not seeing the same connections I see. At the same time, I get the same logical results as other Te types (assuming we have the same information). Te types in real life never complain about me not being open to alternatives or not being able to see alternative opinions.

To be honest, I have taken the liberty to have a couple of opinions that are emotion-driven, not logical, no alternatives possible, etc. But I haven't discussed them in the forum and I'm not planning on doing so.

[Joy]

hmm. I'll just say that I politely disagree with just about everything you just said.

[Joy]

I vote Si, because I'm the clumsiest person ever!

If that's the case, I'll go with INFp

[Kristiina]

I vote Si, because I'm the clumsiest person ever!

If that's the case, I'll go with INFp

warmer... :wink:

[Joy]

you're thinking ENFj?

I would be less apt to argue that, though I think INFp is more likely

[Kristiina]

you're thinking ENFj?

I would be less apt to argue that, though I think INFp is more likely

Explain Ixxp. Indulge me. Maybe you actually have a point, but I'm not seeing it yet.

[Joy]

lol there's no such thing as Ixxp

I see a Fe creative in our interactions. The way you describe your interactions IRL sounds quite IxFp. As far as Si or Ni... honestly, neither jumps out at me. Se does, but only when you're being defensive, implying that it's not in your ego block, and that's why I think ISFp makes sense. However, I can't think of any good arguements against INFp. The Se you demonstrate actually makes as much sense if you're INFp. And from all of your interactions here... you definitely appear to have a Te PoLR.

[Kristiina]

ISFp and INTp practically can't get along. Even if they don't fight, they don't have a good understanding.

INFp and INTp get along pretty ok, but they occasionally have thorough arguments about moral value systems, etc.

I don't VI as Ixxp. And yes, there is such thing as Ixxp and it is different from Exxj. Me and you don't get along, because you are too sure that you are right, while you can barely explain the reasons. This is why I have little respect for your grand ideas. I have fun talking to you, but at some point I switch to the *pat-pat*, "good girl, you almost got it right this time."
I can understand that it's annoying as hell. And it might seem like Fe, because it's talking with little depth. If I was good at Fe, you would never be able to tell that I have that attitude. Especially through the Internet, where you can't see my facial expressions. For any willing Fe-type, it would be easy to pretend to be your best friend through Internet.

[Joy]

lol!

also, ISTps and INTps don't get along? INTps and INFps do get along? You're basing these types related assertions on THREE PEOPLE you know?!?!?!

[Joy]

btw, it's the way you describe your irl interactions that have me sold on Fe, as well as the way you respond to me. Not one of the other NTs here or irl responds to me the way you do.

[Kristiina]

lol!

also, ISTps and INTps don't get along? INTps and INFps do get along? You're basing these types related assertions on THREE PEOPLE you know?!?!?!

ISTps and INTps get along very well. They feel their similarities.
ISFps and INTps don't really get along.

Knowing how to read is a valuable skill.

[Kristiina]

btw, it's the way you describe your irl interactions that have me sold on Fe, as well as the way you respond to me. Not one of the other NTs here or irl responds to me the way you do.

that's because I'm one of the very few NTs who respond to you. (usually they briefly comment the topic, if anything at all).
So you're basing that opinion on up to 5 forum members of different NT types? :wink:

[Joy]

pwned

lol sorry I just woke up *rubs eyes*

[Kristiina]

pwned

lol sorry I just woke up *rubs eyes*

it's ok.

[FDG]

Ne PoLR

[Joy]

btw, it's the way you describe your irl interactions that have me sold on Fe, as well as the way you respond to me. Not one of the other NTs here or irl responds to me the way you do.

that's because I'm one of the very few NTs who respond to you. (usually they briefly comment the topic, if anything at all).
So you're basing that opinion on up to 5 forum members of different NT types? :wink:

I just said it's the ones here and irl...

[Kristiina]

Ne PoLR

How sure are you? How many %?

PS! It will need some proof from real life for me to think that I have Ne polr, so even if you say 100%, I won't say that I really have Ne-polr.

[Joy]

Ne PoLR

How sure are you? How many %?

PS! It will need some proof from real life for me to think that I have Ne polr, so even if you say 100%, I won't say that I really have Ne-polr.

lol!!!!

sounds much like a "to believe" hidden agenda

[FDG]

Ne PoLR

How sure are you? How many %?

How can I objectively asses the percentage? It's just an opinion.

From a frequentist wievpoint, I'd say that the odds are roundable to the whole unit. From a bayesian standpoint, it's impossible to assess.

PS! It will need some proof from real life for me to think that I have Ne polr, so even if you say 100%, I won't say that I really have Ne-polr.

It can't possibly be an objective truth at this point in time, so it's natural that you can decide whether to accept or not my suggestion.

[Kristiina]

Ne PoLR

How sure are you? How many %?

PS! It will need some proof from real life for me to think that I have Ne polr, so even if you say 100%, I won't say that I really have Ne-polr.

lol!!!!

sounds much like a "to believe" hidden agenda

Lol!!!!

sounds much like Te-PoLR

[Kristiina]

I hit my ankle against a chair again... I should start doing that on purpose, because I would do it less often if it was up to me.

How come I seem even more clumsy than Si-PoLR ENTjs?

[Expat]

How come I seem even more clumsy than Si-PoLR ENTjs?

The problem is that it's totally impossible to even begin to assess someone's online. From your own description, does seem like you don't focus well on. It is because of that -- and because of a general impression of you as Beta -- that I often think that ENFj fits you best.

But if I rely on what I can observe directly, from what you say, you do show PoLR tendencies as well as as hidden agenda.

One of the things that makes me think of PoLR is your difficulty in dealing with "undefined uncertainty".

So, if you are Beta, what would point towards ISTj but it is indeed odd to have an ISTj (or ISFj) facing the problems with that you describe.

[Kristiina]

One of the things that makes me think of PoLR is your difficulty in dealing with "undefined uncertainty".

This confused me pretty badly for a very long time. I don't feel that Ne (or lack of it) is my weakness, but I do want certainty in some things... I think I figured it out.
I make a plan. "This is my goal. To achieve this, I have to do the first thing, the second thing, the third thing..." I usually won't add a timescale, but I will count on my instincts to tell me when it's time to move on the the next thing. It sometimes happens that I get stuck in the second phase even though I'm mentally ready to continue with the third phase. If this happens, I will be frustrated that I can't accomplish my goal.

I bet this happens to all strategic thinkers (strategic vs tactic dichotomy if I remember correctly). If there is a small obstacle that stops me from accomplishing a bigger goal, I get very obsessed about getting rid of that obstacle. (even if the obstacle is proving my type, so people would be interested in what I know about types, so my posts would have a bigger importance, so I could get more replies, so I could get the answers to my various questions, so I could start understanding human nature and interactions, so I could achieve enlightenment. Small obstacle, big goal :wink: )