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I guess IJs continue to exist because some of us enjoy loosening them up.
LSI: “I still can’t figure out Pinterest.”
Me: “It’s just, like, idea boards.”
LSI: “I don’t have ideas.”
IJs don't make less stupid mistakes. This is from an EP pov.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
Depends on the Ij, but I consider myself a very stable and grounded person. I'm like the tree planted firmly on the ground whilst the turbulent winds and storms hast attempted to topple in vain, and thine small birds perch on mine branches and poop, thus fertilizing my soil. *bows*
I think EPs tend to make more drastic mistakes
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Using the reinin descriptions from that one test, one might say that IJs use their imagination and reflections to grasp the state of a situation at a given point in time. They assess that incoming info, and then draws from his/her personal experience in finding solutions/responses to the situation.
To me, this seems like a very calm and centered approach to situations.
It might lead to repetitive/off response patterns if the IJ has limited personal experiences with that kind of situation to draw from. But if the IJ gains, or has gained, a variety of experiences, then they will have a wider variety from which to draw from.
Either way, like Aqua said...IJs will likely make less (wildly) stupid mistakes than EP.
IEE 649 sx/sp cp
Human society need ppl who cant be passionnate, cant be anything. While other are happy go lucky, have fun, passionate, have a life bursting of experiments, Ij do the dirty work and become gradually robotic. But dont fear, in some time you will end revendicating it, like a slave offering his life to his master.I've investigated and come to the conclusion that IJ people are mostly rigid, stressed, dispassionate, predictable, passive-aggressive & boring people that expect others to initiate contact and lack fun big time. Why hasn't the natural selection done its job yet?
The natural selection always do great, you see.
haha.
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"The final delusion is the belief that one has lost all delusion."
-- Maurice Chapelain
Because LSE's need 'em, and LSE's regulate the world.
I don't find anything particularly cool about being IJ, nor do I hate it; it just "is".
Johari/Nohari
"Tell someone you love them today, because life is short; shout it at them in German, because life is also terrifying."
Fruit, the fluffy kitty.
When I stayed with my EII sister a while back I actually found a lot of benefit from structure. She thought a certain time was bed time and this actually really helped me. Now I'm back to my schedule though (or rather lack of schedule). I suspect that some aspects of self-discipline come more easily and automatically to IJs than to irrationals. In fact I think that XSIs really take the cake on self-discipline. The other thing about my EII sister is this air of accountability and responsibility. I feel less liable to hold myself accountable and less liable to be responsible.
one of first things i thought of regarding Ijs' value is their role in the socion. in groups, or even in the grand scheme of things, they help bring about stability in the system - as opposed to Ep types, who do the opposite, e.g. some ILE descriptions talk about the element of "chaos" that they bring to their endeavors. Gulenko (LII) mentions the instability brought about by Ep types in one of his social progress articles:
Under Marshall's [SLE's] rule do not expect stability ever.If SEE is allowed to manage a system, it will come to anarchy. Absolutely.nothing like that is written about the Ij types.IEE brings elements of absurdism and disorganization.
Ij temperament is also called "balanced-stable" temperament. i guess you could say that Ijs play the stabilizing roles within the system: they're the perfectors (LII), structurists (LSI), guardians (ESI), and edifiers (EII).
Well, many people in general are stressed, dispassionate, predictable, passive-aggressive, and boring. I estimate you being Sx first + Ne sub would be why you don't identify with those IJ descriptions, assuming that you don't actually identify with them in the first place.
FWIW I hardly identify with the descriptions of EP as spastic, forgetful, easily distracted puppy dogs that they tend to get.
You guys are just jealous of my system to which I neurotically cling.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
We keep a cool head and don't get rattled too much; we have a hard time understanding people and why they do things, but situations never get the better of me; you'll never hear me say "I don't know what to do here," because I can grasp the state of a situation very well.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
i like having control over fate. it is the closest thing to the experience of being God. every other type is generally under influence of something other than their personal discretion:
EP: whim, randomness
IP: helplessness, aimlessness
EJ: hard work traps, impersonal duties
IJ: self-direction, personal duties
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They help me EJ's feel better and special because they laugh at my jokes, without them there would be no audience.
Beta NF - E-(6w5), 9w1, 4w5 sp/sx
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I've been thinking about temparaments in general for the last few days and I've come up to the conclusion that maybe the definitions are too rigid... IMO we usually have SOME traits of certain temperaments but not all of them. I think the theory of socionics will change in the future, like almost everything does. The more people research it, the more changes/modifications will apear. I'm also inclined to think subtypes affect your rationality/irrationality.
This may be me being too rigid, boring and predictable, but it's nice to have a system which doesn't have too many nuances and inconsistencies? I mean, I guess if temperament is more complicated than the current system, it might do service to change it, but I'm not sure the temperaments are necessarily too rigid as they are. And I also like them all neat and tidy.
Warm Regards,
Clowns & Entropy
We just want logical consistency in thing. Between what you say and what you mean to say. When you say Ej but mean Ij; we want to know if what you meant was consistent with what you said; and lung, noticing that people post two clips of pictures isn't a form of Ij; it has nothing to do with consistency of meaning because both pictures mean the same thing. This is why in the other thread where you asked why cpig posted the two things, one under thumbnail, that didn't correspond with internal logic of things. It's more of internal sensation; it bothers you somehow that there are too many things of the same kind posted all over, so to say, this is also what I've noticed of Minde's behavior, in the past; it certainly does not correspond with mine and other Ijs that I've observed.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I've investigated and come to the conclusion that IP people are mostly unreliable, lacking self discipline, passionate about either meaningless sensory stimuli (Si) or like this guy (Ni), predictable in the fact that they complain about wanting something that takes work, then acting impulsively, lazy & stupid people that expect others to get rid of their inertia and make them try fun new things. Why hasn't the natural selection done its job yet?
I've investigated and come to the conclusion that EP people are mostly unreliable, lacking self discipline, ADHD based meaning they are passionate only for a few minutes then forget and move on, predictable in the fact that they complain about wanting something that takes work, then acting impulsively, overly-aggressive & selfish people that expect others to either baby them in every sensory way possible or to tell them what to do because they can't see two steps ahead. Why hasn't the natural selection done its job yet?
I've investigated and come to the conclusion that EJ people are mostly rigid, stressed. . . blah blah blah you get the point.
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the IP temperament is probably the least capable of controlling it's own fate of all 4 temperaments if we go by 99% of what is written about temperaments. if you want to diverge from the accepted lingo to that extent i suggest you take your musing to a non-socionics forum or start your own, lonely and useless personal socionics school.
I like being IJ. I'm passionate. actually alot of IJs I know are very passionate. in a focused way, where they actually go after their passions.
I envy the stability of IJs, they seem to have their lives under control. I've noticed that me and other EPs' lives usually tend to be a wild mess.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
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lol, on which basis have this been said ??? Anyway I agree with the ego part.And then I found it offensive to be told IJs are the closest to God
"The final delusion is the belief that one has lost all delusion."
-- Maurice Chapelain