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    Creepy-Snaps

    Default ESFj's view of information elements

    I thought of an idea that could be fun and helpful. I wanted to give my perspective of the information elements... it makes sense to me, if we're on a socionics forum, why not share our understanding, which might help other people grow and better understand others?

    I've been studying socionics for almost 2 years now. People skills disclaimer: By no means do I understand everything, nor do my views represent the views of all ESE's. This is not intended to say that one view of the world is right or wrong, since every IE is important at some point in life. I believe this could be of value, even to those people whose views aren't normally compatible with mine: for example, perhaps an INTp could find my description of my POLR to help his understanding of his leading function.

    That being said, I'm bound to offend some people regardless. Obviously some people will understand, others won't, but I do know a couple of the rare male ESE's on this forum have PM'd me before, saying they agree with what I say. Regardless if anyone agrees with any of my viewpoints, I hope you can respect that I'm confident enough to say what I think, and be confident enough to open myself up again for criticism.

    Without further ado:

    Fe: My leading function. What I do almost effortlessly, without even noticing it. I pay attention to people's moods, and the overall emotion of groups of people. I find happiness is a key element in life, and I view the energy level of somebody being important to the quality of their life. I believe if everyone is positive, motivated, and energized, society will be extremely productive, and content, and the world will be a much better place. My views of the world tend to revolve around protecting people's emotional states, and condemning those who are negative or attack somebody else. Before learning to be patient with what I say, I tended to easily offend people by commenting on their behavior, correcting them when it's unwarranted: I don't care if I offend someone in the moment, or if they dislike me: I'd rather be the martyr who is loathed, if I can help change others' behavior to be more positive and overall help other people move forward in life.

    Si: An understanding of the physical states... I use this to support the mood of people. I'll be creative in designing atmosphere which are conducive to positive, emotional growth. I pay attention to things like the lighting in a room, how the weather affects people, how physically tired someone is and how it can negatively affect mood, the air quality, smells, textures, tone of voice, etc. I have extremely good hearing as well as a photographic memory. Si comes with a strong attention to detail: how different colors can affect people's moods, how one thing leads to another: I love strategy games, chess, checkers, etc.

    Te: I view Te as an understanding of what is necessary to be done... the ability to do things efficiently, by eliminating the unnecessary. In my life, this function is a general weakness, and comes as an inability to differentiate what is important to do or not. I tend to want to get everything done! Write a thank-you note to this person, leave a present at this person's desk to cheer them up, wish this person a happy birthday, and... oh wait, where did the time go? I feel I get more accomplished than most people, but sometimes I feel like I'm not getting the most important things done really. There's always something more to do, and something more to get done! Maybe that's Ej temperament, and I push myself to continue to do more, and don't feel I need much rest. (One reason I haven't been posting on this forum lately, as I'm more focused on my real life) I don't really differentiate what's important or not, and I can remember only a handful of times where I go to bed at night feeling I got everything done that I wanted to. I appreciate the people with Ti ego in my life, that can help me develop a system for being productive, and help me improve my time management skills.

    Ni: It's 7:41... I need to be at work by 8:30 A.M. I'm just stepping out of the shower... am I running late? I don't know. I just look at the time, try to figure out if I have time or not to do everything, and almost feel blank, nothing comes to mind... so I focus in the moment again: I'll dress, finish grabbing/cooking breakfast, grab my phone charger and put it in my laptop bag, make sure I have my book which I read a few minutes before work, make sure I put my belt on, make sure my tie matches my shirt, see where my coat is, grab an energy drink, tie my shoes, make sure to put on some vaseline on my hands after the shower so my hands don't dry out, make sure all the lights in my apartment are turned off, make sure the burner is turned off if I finished cooking, make sure the computer is turned off so it doesn't use extra energy while I'm gone, make sure I have my sunglasses so it's not too bright when I step outside, and...... OH CRAP I'M RUNNING LATE AGAIN!

    I view Ni as the flow of time. Outside of time management, I have a few Beta friends that seem to use Ni as the 'right timing' to introduce new things in a person's life. Just as Si is about physical comfort, people with strong Ni seem to be aware of psychological comfort: after a person attends an exciting event, Ni, maybe they're ready to make some active changes in order to reach their goal, Se. People with Ni tend to be more 'fluid' as a I like to call it, less pushy. An ENFj friends talks about how they can ease someone into trying new things.

    With Ni POLR, I sometimes seem to be unaware of this psychological timing, or just don't care for it. I can come across abrasive sometimes, or pushy. Sometimes I don't care if a person has gone through an emotional divorce, or they're upset because so-and-so family member passed away, if they need to hear something of value which can help them grow, then it's better to tell them now. Why wait? I can come across impulsive and impatient at times, which is something I need to make a conscious effort with, when dealing with people. Sometimes I view Ni as laziness... waiting around for the best timing... well nothing's ever going to be perfect, why not just act now, so you can move on to doing more things, helping more people? Maybe it's my Ej temperament. If I offend someone, at times I don't mind, I'd rather challenge them to be stronger.

    Ti: My suggestive function, I normally find sort of boring, but end up finding the most value in. People with strong Ti help me with time management and clarity of thought, and sticking to my principles. AND... they appreciate my sense of humor the most, it seems. In terms of time management, there is an INTj at work whom I sit next to, that helps me avoid meaningless tasks: one time I wanted to jump on a conference call, for which I wasn't a part of the activity or the team on the call, just to have fun and listen to/ talk with more people, and the INTj scolded me and said I should focus on my work. Lol, but I end up appreciating that, so I don't waste my time. I have another friend with Ti ego that suggests how I can best use my evenings to build my business, and I greatly appreciate that as well. Ti offers the insight/organization I need, whether it's organizing folders for work, organizing stuff around the house, or organizing my schedule, I greatly value Ti to assist me in doing what I value most.

    Ne: I'm still not completely sure how to describe Ne. I appreciate the light-heartedness in Ne ego, and the ability to understand multiple perspectives. In seems to work with My Si, as I like using different ideas that can help people grow steadily / easily. I tend to view Se/Ni as a more take-charge, more impactful way to make changes in life, and Si/Ne as a more subtle, easier way to navigate/grow through life. Si/Ne is doing different graceful dives into the pool of life, and Se/Ni is doing a big ol' cannonball to make the biggest splash at the opportune time! Of course change is brought about when we're outside our comfort zones, but I feel steady, constant, CONSISTENT change is sometimes more beneficial than periodic, gigantic changes.

    Fi: I don't care what people feel about certain things lol. Fi is my ignoring function... I don't really care how someone feels about me, if I say something offensive, I don't care who likes who. I never really even paid attention to the drama of high school, it was never really important to me. I never care about others liking me, which can make me come across like a jerk sometimes, while at other times helps spur great confidence in me, and in taking action. I enjoy public speaking and being able to send a message, and was never really too afraid what others thought of me.

    In terms of disputes/conflict, I find taking sides based upon who you like as abandoning your principles... I value objective ethics more! If you're boyfriend/girlfriend gets caught stealing something, do you support them, or do you ditch them because they hurt someone? Do you value Fi, who you like, or the objective ethics of the situation? Neither is more or less important, it's just what you personally value. I'd rather stick with my objective principles, and change my circle of friends if need be. I'm not at all a fan of being friends with a family member, just because they're in my family. If we don't believe in the same values, I don't care. To capture Fe+Ti and Si+Ne: I think sticking to objective, ethical principles is crucial to creating a consistent system in life to effect steady, constant, consistent beneficial change.

    Se: I find violence humorous. Lol. That probably sounds horrible. I have an ESTp friend that always tries to out-do everyone else, and be the best dressed, most impactful, most respected person in any group he's a part of: he purposefully does stuff over-the-top, just to be the biggest and the best. He cracks me up.

    At work, this poor guy who's not very popular, bless his heart, gets picked on: people will say, in one quick, 2-second sentence, "Hey Rick, say something if you don't want staples shot at you!" and them IMMEDIATELY start firing off staples before giving him a chance to respond. Haha. And all of a sudden this guy, who was peacefully checking his email, has like 5 people shooting staples at him. It's funny.

    I find random jokes about punching people in the head funny. In one college town, my ENFj friend was telling me how there's this incredibly steep hill, that drunk people like to walk up at the end of the night, after they leave the bars. I commented it would be fun to take a bucket of soapy water and splash it on the pavement they're walking up, and watch them slip and fall down lol. Maybe that's horrible, but it'd be fun.

    In terms of Se motivations, I always find office politics hilarious. Who's trying to sleep with who, who's trying to suck up to so-and-so, who's trying to climb the corporate ladder to get paid more, who's trying to dress well to get more respect, etc... I kind of see those things and just laugh to myself. I used to be a jeans and t-shirt guy in high school, not really concerned with how I come across, before realizing how the objective image you project is important to getting where you want to go, and reaching your goal. I'm aware of it, but never really view it as important, as just creating a positive atmosphere that all people can comfortably have fun in.

    Again, I hope this was of some value. I hope this insight/ my perspective can perhaps help people understand male ESE's better, understand socionics better, or hey, maybe you even got some value out of this that I couldn't think of. Regardless, I wanted to share my perspective. How do you view the information elements?
    Last edited by Snaps; 05-17-2012 at 05:09 AM.

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