# Thread: I need feedback on next picture test choices

1. ## I need feedback on next picture test choices.

Before you begin: I prefer that you avoid looking at other peoples posts before totally reading and doing what is asked in this post. Thanks.

The whole index of the pictures are found here ...
http://socion.info/tpics/

Since there was so much criticism on the last couple of tests about there being a bias towards N and S on some of the questions. I am going to go ahead and let you guys look over some of the other pictures I am considering placing in the test to test for N/S and T/F ... I need pictures that are pretty balanced as far as what needs to be there for N/S/T/F people to diffrentiate between the choices.

The first set P1-5 are all SvN pics, hence they should have properties that could be looked at either abstractly or concretely. An intuitive person should be able to look at the pictures and be able to imagine it is something diffrent than the physical properties entail, and a sensible person should be able to look at the picture and immediatelly derive the physical properties from the picture.

http://socion.info/tpics/P1.jpg
http://socion.info/tpics/P2.jpg
http://socion.info/tpics/P3.jpg
http://socion.info/tpics/P4.jpg
http://socion.info/tpics/P5.jpg

The second set P6-10 is intended to be TvF questions. A person who is a thinking type should clearly be able to see the symmetry, geometry in the picture over the pictures sense of beauty, harmony. And a person being an F type should clearly be able to see the pictures sense of beauty, harmony over the picture's sense of symmetry, geometrically. These pictures need to be very closely balanced between the two for this to work.

http://socion.info/tpics/P6.jpg
http://socion.info/tpics/P7.jpg
http://socion.info/tpics/P8.jpg
http://socion.info/tpics/P9.jpg
http://socion.info/tpics/P10.jpg

Now, I am asking you guys to do two things, and if you atleast do these two things before posting a response and actually posting those two things, I'd be happy. Here we go.

1.) look at each intuitive/sensible picture, and tell me both the physical properties of the picture and/or abstract image of the picture that first pops into your head. Then, I want you to tell me whether you think each of the five intuitive/sensible pictures are balanced enough between abstract and concrete for people of both sensible and intuitive sides to make appropiate choices between the two.

2.) look at each thinking/feeling picture, and either tell me either one of four things. That the picture is both geometric and beautiful, that the picture is both geometric and harmonious, that the picture is both symmetrical and beautiful, or that the picture is both symmetrical and harmonious. Then, say whether each picture is balanced enough between the two for a thinker/feeler to properly make an immediate distinction between the two.

Note that I am not looking for negitive commentary, like "you are attempting to do the impossible" or similar crap. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, that does mean I am not going to try. I mostly am just looking for feedback and info from what I have already asked.

Incredibly hugh space - do not look down until finished!

Incredibly hugh space - do not look down until finished!

2. P1:Robot Butterfly and erector set? or bells and sticks is what it looks like to me. Balanced? Yes
P2:Gingerbread house and cake tin Balanced: Yes
p3iscoball and orb with light coming from the inside? Balanced? I'm not sure because I don't know what it really is.
P4:Absence of hand and hand with green light behind it. Balanced? Sort of
P5:Tub of jello and tub with internal green light Balanced? Yes
P6:symmetrical and beautiful
P7:symmetrical and beautiful
P8:geometric and harmonious
P9:symmetrical and harmonious
p10:geometric and harmonious

I like picture tests

3. Oyburger ... what about the T/F questions ... do you think they are balanced?

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5. Originally Posted by rmcnew
Oyburger ... what about the T/F questions ... do you think they are balanced?
I don't know the only emotional reaction I got from them was that some of them were beautiful, mostly the ones that were most symmetrical because they're the most pleasing to the eye

Olga thought about the pictures alot more than I did :wink:

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7. Originally Posted by Diana
Whoa now! Did you just call me Olga? It's late and I'm tired, and I just spouted what went through my head at the time, thought that might be of some use to mcnew. Ah, nevermind. I'm going to sleep.
HaHa Sorry I looked at something different and that's what I put down, sorry

look at each intuitive/sensible picture, and tell me both the physical properties of the picture and/or abstract image of the picture that first pops into your head.
This is really too difficult. I won't be able to do it in a way that I will be able to stand for. I can tell you this much, though. I got an abstract image with all the five pictures except for P4 (the green hand). But I can't describe my abstract images in words.

Then, I want you to tell me whether you think each of the five intuitive/sensible pictures are balanced enough between abstract and concrete for people of both sensible and intuitive sides to make appropiate choices between the two.
Maybe. But I'm not sure about P8 and P10. I didn't like them as much as the others. They felt more concrete.

look at each thinking/feeling picture, and either tell me either one of four things. That the picture is both geometric and beautiful, that the picture is both geometric and harmonious, that the picture is both symmetrical and beautiful, or that the picture is both symmetrical and harmonious. Then, say whether each picture is balanced enough between the two for a thinker/feeler to properly make an immediate distinction between the two.
This is wrong. The concept beaty has been defined in many ways during the centuries, but if you really investigate this matter seriously, you will realize that real beaty is roughly the same as harmonious, integrated and ordered wholeness. So, most things that are beatiful are also symmetrical. And they are also harmonious. And they are very often also geometrical. You can't divide the concept beauty in the way you presume when you ask your questions.

When I looked at your pictures I found most of them, for the reasons I just mentioned, beatiful, harmonious and symmetrical at the same time.

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10. ## Re: I need feedback on next picture test choices.

P1: Very obviously a butterfly - that is much more obvious than the physical caracteristics (plastic? Metal?)

P2: Very obviously a house, but the characteristics of metal/low relief are also very clear. More balanced IMO.

P3: It makes me think of the sun, but also of a "blue sphere with light". More balanced.

P4: I can think of little else but of the plain image of the hand - or maybe its "aura"? Not sure.

P5: A green bathtub, not sure that it can convey anything else -- tilted towards sensing IMO.

P6: Symmetrical and harmonious mainly. But perhaps it could also be called geometric and beautiful.

P7: Clearly symmetrical and harmonious.

P8: clearly geometric and beautiful. No balance.

P9: Geometric and harmonious, but it could be seen as something else.

P10: Symmetrical and beautiful, clearly so IMO. Little balance.

11. S/N QUESTIONS:

1) butterfly. balanced - yes
2) tin can with house in the mold. balanced - yes
3) ball with light coming out of of it. balanced - somewhat
4) hand w/green motion streams. balanced - somewhat
5) green bathtub. balanced -yes

T/ F QUESTIONS:

1) symetrical and beautiful. balanced - yes
2) geometrical and harmonious. balanced - yes
3) symetrical and beautiful. balanced - yes
4) geometrical and harmonious. balanced - somewhat
5) geometrical and harmonious. balanced - yes

12. p1 - some green alien dude
p2 - some kind of house shape in a box
p3 - a sphere with lines coming out of it
p4 - a black hand with green stuff around it
p5 - some kind of artificial computer generated crap

bah, the whole thing got too complicated for me to finish

13. Originally Posted by Phaedrus
look at each thinking/feeling picture, and either tell me either one of four things. That the picture is both geometric and beautiful, that the picture is both geometric and harmonious, that the picture is both symmetrical and beautiful, or that the picture is both symmetrical and harmonious. Then, say whether each picture is balanced enough between the two for a thinker/feeler to properly make an immediate distinction between the two.
This is wrong. The concept beaty has been defined in many ways during the centuries, but if you really investigate this matter seriously, you will realize that real beaty is roughly the same as harmonious, integrated and ordered wholeness. So, most things that are beatiful are also symmetrical. And they are also harmonious. And they are very often also geometrical. You can't divide the concept beauty in the way you presume when you ask your questions.

When I looked at your pictures I found most of them, for the reasons I just mentioned, beatiful, harmonious and symmetrical at the same time.
I should have a "I analyzed the pictures logically" option. Lol ... I've also taken Art History classes in college and can attest to this. However, I am looking for immediate impressions, not preconceived notions.

14. I can't say if the pictures are balanced before I have seen the responses of other types.

S/N pics
1. Butterfly! Yay!
Abstract: And I wonder how the green things are connected to the metal things... The green things probably have tiny magnets in both ends. I wonder if I could build it if I had this toy...

2. House, metal, pretty heart on the door.
Abstract: If I fill it up with dough and put it in the oven, I'll have a house-shaped cake and I could decorate it with glaceing of different colors...

3. It's round
abstract: in my mind, I saw the light inside a ball that has holes. There were other things too, but they came and went: God, planet, sun, elf (don't ask), and how the hell did they put the light inside the ball. The holes are so tiny!

4. X files.
Abstract: just a hand and bad quality photoshopping. Not too many spontaneous thoughts.

5. Green
I don't have any real thoughts about this picture. It looks weird and it doesn't give me any spontaneous thoughts. It reminds me of champagne.

T/F
The word geometric should probably be replaced. It's somewhat confusing in the beginning.

6. both symmetrical and harmonious
Cool pic! It lacks one or two ghosts.

7. This picture is not beautiful for me, neither is it symmetrical. The corridor might be, but the photographer took a slightly tilted picture.

8. both geometric and beautiful.
Confusing picture. It looks possibly real, but at the same time it doesn't.
Probably balanced.

9. both symmetrical and harmonious.
Probably not balanced. Some people might have an opinion about this palace and the culture, so it might influence the outcome. MIGHT.

10. both symmetrical and beautiful.
It looks balanced.

15. The last picture on the T/F questions freaked me out. ew, i don't like it.

16. I clicked on the link and looked at the pictures before reading through the rest of Mcnew's message and I remember seeing the photo of the Mosque as imposing and powerful and the picture of the clock as being in a timeless space that's somehow removed from our day to day reality. Both of the pictures I would describe as possessing an aura of mystery. I suppose that would be more of a feeling response than a thinking response? When I saw the abstract painting the first thing that came to my mind was a colorful and wrinkled blanket. I'm not sure if that's a thinking response or a feeling one.
On the first set of pictures I pretty much just saw what was there, a butterfly for the first picture, a caketin house for the second picture, etc. Makes me think I might really be a sensor.

17. ## Quadra picture test version 6

Here you go, has changed somewhat for clarity.

http://socion.info/cgi-bin/Q10.cgi

18. No bugs this time

http://socion.info/cgi-bin/Q10.cgi?Q...-1&Q=25&post=1

Based on prediction only

Alpha Ne(2) Fe(0) Ti(5) Si(2) 9
Beta Se(4) Fe(0) Ti(5) Ni(4) 13
Gamma Te(5) Ni(4) Se(4) Fi(2) 15
Delta Te(5) Si(2) Ne(2) Fi(2) 11

(Note: bolded functions are the ones you indicated you use, the Quadra with the most

Alpha = ENTp, ESFj, ISFp, INTj - Ne, Ti, Fe, Si
Beta = ESTp, ENFj, INFp, ISTj - Se, Ti, Fe, Ni
Gamma = ENTj, ESFp, ISFj, INTp - Te, Ni, Fi, Se
Delta = ESTj, ENFp, INFj, ISTp - Ne, Te, Fi, Ni

19. http://socion.info/cgi-bin/Q10.cgi?Q...=1&Q=25&post=1

Tied. At least all of my scores seem to be consistant with each test, either Alpha or tied with Delta

20. http://socion.info/cgi-bin/Q10.cgi?Q...-1&Q=25&post=1

Alpha Ne(0) Fe(1) Ti(5) Si(4) 10
Beta Se(6) Fe(1) Ti(5) Ni(2) 14
Gamma Te(4) Ni(2) Se(6) Fi(1) 13
Delta Te(4) Si(4) Ne(0) Fi(1) 9

21. i didn't get any Ni when irl i am one big fuzzy ball of it. the test was fun to take though.

22. .

23. Sorry to say it, but I can't really relate to any of the alternatives and hence I got nothing. I'm afraid I can't come up with anything more constructive.

24. Alpha Ne(0) Fe(2) Ti(6) Si(5) 13
Beta Se(5) Fe(2) Ti(6) Ni(2) 15
Gamma Te(4) Ni(2) Se(5) Fi(0) 11
Delta Te(4) Si(5) Ne(0) Fi(0) 9

http://socion.info/cgi-bin/Q10.cgi?Q...-1&Q=25&post=1

25. 1. its a butterfly. it appears rather to be made of a rather luminous material.

2. its a house. i tend to notice the shape of the cast and the heart on the door; which exude a sense of homeliness.

3. i have no idea what this is; it looks like an exploding star.

4. it's a hand which is reflecting some sort of light. near the hand, lines are produced which appear as waves; it thus reminds me of radioactive material.

5. i have no idea what it is. it looks like a green bathtub juxtaposed on a stage. it's entirely out of place.

6. symmetrical and harmonious. it's not balanced however, from a literal standpoint; the picture is ever so slightly tilted.

7. symmetrical and harmonious. again, it's not balanced; it's very lopsided.

8. geometric and beautiful, simply because it doesn't qualify as either of the other two.

9. symmetrical and beautiful. again the picture is tilted somewhat.

10. geometric and beautiful.

26. Originally Posted by pesto
Sorry to say it, but I can't really relate to any of the alternatives and hence I got nothing. I'm afraid I can't come up with anything more constructive.
ESFp or ISFj ...

27. HEY.

Explain my fuckin results man.

28. Alpha Ne(1) Fe(4) Ti(2) Si(3) 10
Beta Se(3) Fe(4) Ti(2) Ni(1) 10
Gamma Te(0) Ni(1) Se(3) Fi(6) 10
Delta Te(0) Si(3) Ne(1) Fi(6) 10

http://socion.info/cgi-bin/Q10.cgi?Q...-1&Q=25&post=1

There is something Bad wrong with me these days.

29. http://socion.info/cgi-bin/Q10.cgi?Q...-1&Q=25&post=1

Okay, I tried harder this time.

What seems to get to me is things like the vaccum cleaner and blackhole thing.. I cut the black hole off as irrelevant .. and don't really want to be bothered with "both of these can suck" or some other irrelevant concept.

To me - blackholes don't exist. They're just not important, within my reality. Which makes it hard to make judgements based upon them.

And then things like the chocolate .. if someone held some chocolate in front of me .. and a picture of a japanese shrine .. then I'd want the chocolate.. see food want to eat it ..

Now .. if they tried asking if I would rather experience all the chocolate in japan or be concerned about tracking down the chocolate that I normally ate ... well it'd depend ...

FIRST I would want the chocolate.

THEN I would want to experience all the chocolate .. because chocolate isn't so important to me that I need to track down the right chocolate ...

BUT .. if someone asked me if I could track down the chocolate.. then I'd track down the chocolate .. and experience all the chocolate at the same time .. and so I can do both so nyah nyah.

ALSO...

If they didn't give me any chocolate then I wouldn't answer their question.

30. Chocolate.....mmmmmmmm

Based on prediction only

Alpha Ne(6) Fe(2) Ti(0) Si(1) 9
Beta Se(1) Fe(2) Ti(0) Ni(4) 7
Gamma Te(2) Ni(4) Se(1) Fi(4) 11
Delta Te(2) Si(1) Ne(6) Fi(4) 13

(Note: bolded functions are the ones you indicated you use, the Quadra with the most

Alpha = ENTp, ESFj, ISFp, INTj - Ne, Ti, Fe, Si
Beta = ESTp, ENFj, INFp, ISTj - Se, Ti, Fe, Ni
Gamma = ENTj, ESFp, ISFj, INTp - Te, Ni, Fi, Se
Delta = ESTj, ENFp, INFj, ISTp - Ne, Te, Fi, Ni

32. http://socion.info/cgi-bin/Q10.cgi?Q...-1&Q=25&post=1

Based on prediction only

Alpha Ne(2) Fe(2) Ti(0) Si(3) 7
Beta Se(3) Fe(2) Ti(0) Ni(4) 9
Gamma Te(2) Ni(4) Se(3) Fi(0) 9
Delta Te(2) Si(3) Ne(2) Fi(0) 7

33. ## Quadra pic. test v. 7 - experimental question added + other

This one has one extra question added for experimental purposes and also an enhanced results page that actually gives you a type or series of types along with predicted quadra.

http://socion.info/cgi-bin/Q12.cgi

34. After I pushed start I got an error page.

35. It should work ... maybe it is your connection. I just checked it several times.

36. It was my fault, it was configured to localhost ... it should work now.

Based on prediction only

Alpha Ne(5) Fe(3) Ti(3) Si(2) 13
Beta Se(0) Fe(3) Ti(3) Ni(5) 11
Gamma Te(3) Ni(5) Se(0) Fi(3) 11
Delta Te(3) Si(2) Ne(5) Fi(3) 13

Type(s): INTj INFj INTj INFj

http://socion.info/cgi-bin/Q12.cgi?Q...=1&Q=27&post=1

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