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    Is this related to type, not understanding without doing?

    If you give the person directions for how to perform some action, he will listen to you, but only kind of, knowing that the directions will be almost meaningless until the actual action is being performed. So then when he is doing the action he tries to recall what he was told about how to do it, but mostly just pays attention to what's happening, makes a note of what works and what doesn't, and only then "gets it."

    Weak Ne? I was wondering if this person might even be LSI, but don't they supposedly always follow directions and so, I assume, learn from them??

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    ...Its called being slow.

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    lol could be in some people, but this guy is super smart. I wonder even if he doesn't listen to the directions because he knows he'll be able to figure it out on his own anyway. He's one of those people who is good at most things they try. Very enviable. Er, admirable

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    people understand stuff better once they do it. i'm frustrated by this thread because i cant figure out if this obviousness is being missed or if he is unique in that he is genuinely incapable of remembering instructions.

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    Sounds like a kinesthetic learner, if I'm remembering my definitions properly. No clue whether it's related to an IM element.
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    Yeah, gonna pull the NTR card. Who ever understood something better before they did it?

    I've had to teach physical tasks to innumerable people of presumably every type and I never really noticed any that held my words particularly more highly than actual practice. Kinda wish some had, but I'm not sure if they disregarded them or I just wasn't able to transmit the central principles of building brick walls out of boxes. Generally, it's better to show as you explain, walk them through not just the aspects of construction but the way you move, what you look at and look for, sort of the cognitive experience of looking back and seeing a hundred boxes coming down the chute and trying to find the most common dimension and basing each shelf on that, bending at the knees not your back and grabbing each box by opposite corners, giving it a quick spin to find which side the label's on, scan, pivot back to the wall, place, deep even breaths, pivot back, push flow while looking for small boxes to fill inevitable odd holes, intensity, break jams, hydrate, help others, hunt for backed up trailers, control your anger, smile, laugh, elevate, don't look at clocks, focus, feel the muscles you're using, delight in motion, be a dork and post this on the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna1921 View Post
    Is this related to type, not understanding without doing?

    If you give the person directions for how to perform some action, he will listen to you, but only kind of, knowing that the directions will be almost meaningless until the actual action is being performed. So then when he is doing the action he tries to recall what he was told about how to do it, but mostly just pays attention to what's happening, makes a note of what works and what doesn't, and only then "gets it."

    Weak Ne? I was wondering if this person might even be LSI, but don't they supposedly always follow directions and so, I assume, learn from them??
    that's normal human nature. Humans aren't designed to follow lists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna1921 View Post
    Is this related to type, not understanding without doing?

    If you give the person directions for how to perform some action, he will listen to you, but only kind of, knowing that the directions will be almost meaningless until the actual action is being performed. So then when he is doing the action he tries to recall what he was told about how to do it, but mostly just pays attention to what's happening, makes a note of what works and what doesn't, and only then "gets it."

    Weak Ne? I was wondering if this person might even be LSI, but don't they supposedly always follow directions and so, I assume, learn from them??
    This sounds like how I operate. I'm pretty good at kinesthetic learning, it's easier for me to internalize how something is done if I just up and do it. Engage myself in the process, etc. I assumed that most people were like this though?

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    Well, I relate to that. I also psyche myself out when people are giving me instructions sometimes and so then I don't even hear them anymore. I'm much better if left alone with the thing I'm supposed to be figuring out for a while and then after I feel I understand things about it, then would prefer to ask questions if I have any. I remember when I took Chemistry that reading over the lab instructions before the lab so as to prepare myself just rather overwhelmed me because I wasn't sure what they meant exactly as I couldn't see any of the the things in the instructions. Then when I got to lab I'd feel under a fair amount of pressure, afraid that if I got overwhelmed and locked up that I wouldn't be able to resolve it and would just stand there having no idea what to do. And people really swoop in when you're stuck like that and start bombarding you with information and that gets me more stuck, fearing that they'll eventually conclude I'm a hopeless case and will never understand (not smart enough). By then I may agree with them.

    I remember once in a Math class when I was in lock up mode that one of my group members took me aside and managed to somehow interrupt my lock and insisted he knew I could understand the problem we were on. And then after I could pay attention, he explained it and I began to actually get it. This was a long time ago but I still remember it really well because I was really grateful at the time. I was surprised also because I usually avoided him most out of the group because I was a little intimidated by him.

    I also will pretend to understand things when I don't in social situations until I can get away and explore it alone. I'm not very good at thinking on my feet, basically. (Or at thinking quickly.)

    But there have been times with things to assemble that I've read the instructions only part way and then kind of dove in. In part at the time I liked being able to figure things out with minimal help. In part I was impatient driven by a flash in my mind of how it fit together and kind of trying to get there before I lost the image. In part I needed some kind of hands-on component with the instructions. And in part I have little faith in some of these instruction sheets because sometimes they seem to be written in the most retarded and confusing way imaginable. I seem to have lost all interest in these matters in recent years. Last time I had to assemble something I felt really overwhelmed and my mom ended up doing it for me, which was a relief. This something was a table and actually assembling it involved her pounding on it with a hammer and um other things because apparently the pieces were cut poorly and the holes were in slightly the wrong places and so on. This is why for things I prefer them to already be assembled or require the least assembly possible because I think that would have been a hump I wouldn't have gotten over.

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