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    Would that seem strange?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Would that seem strange?
    Ask Gilly/Jadae/Ashton. Nothing is impossible. Nothing is forever and forever is nothing.

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    inb4 thats ridic

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    ugh absurd you ruined it

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    no. just no.

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    thread lock, plz.

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    all this because he won chess

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    well what if one feels it's the only possible way to mangle themselves into anything

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    I saw one once, but I cannot recall when/where/what/etc. If they exist, theyre super rare. ISTp 8's are less rare, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kassie View Post
    ugh absurd you ruined it
    How so?

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    all this because he won chess
    I didn't, not my cup of tea.

    Correlating Etypes to sociotypes can be a bit tricky for the sole fact one is comprised of 9 and the other of 16. I've seen people on here focusing more on Etypes than on socionics intertype relations or whatever it is called, to get their point across, as in, literally giving more importance to the former than the latter. It's fine with me.

    Problems arise when you actually decide to roll with it, still wanting to marry them both together which means that, for utmost compatibility you're looking for an E4 ILE. What follows is, you're going to have to(?) post a thread inquiring about ILEs, specifically, E4 ILEs.

    All in all. Enneagram stuff says E8 is quite an extraverted type, at least when it was tried to pin down a correlation between Etypes and MBTI.

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    I have been mistaken for both SEI and E8, so surely it's possible. Hah.

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    honest answer: whatever works, shrug

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    I doubt it, maybe an 9w8 sx could come off like that.. or e8 2nd/ 3rd place in the tritype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    How so?



    I didn't, not my cup of tea.

    Correlating Etypes to sociotypes can be a bit tricky for the sole fact one is comprised of 9 and the other of 16. I've seen people on here focusing more on Etypes than on socionics intertype relations or whatever it is called, to get their point across, as in, literally giving more importance to the former than the latter. It's fine with me.

    Problems arise when you actually decide to roll with it, still wanting to marry them both together which means that, for utmost compatibility you're looking for an E4 ILE. What follows is, you're going to have to(?) post a thread inquiring about ILEs, specifically, E4 ILEs.

    All in all. Enneagram stuff says E8 is quite an extraverted type, at least when it was tried to pin down a correlation between Etypes and MBTI.
    Close. E8s are a highly externalized type -- not specifically extroverted. 7's are the positivist extroverts. Theyre like pure sugar in your veins.

    I think some of us focus more on Enneatypes because we are simply bored. Some of us should seriously be retired and shot, lol.

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    Yeah i've seen some SEI 8s. They are more introverted, peaceful type of 8s, not as aggressive as others because of their Si. Like this guy who reminds me of stalin (who could have been an 8) a little bit, dunno why he just does..

    and this guy..

    I can just feel the anger resonating from this picture alone...its so intense, too intense that I hesistated even putting the picture up because it might offend certain people because of his energy. Its almost like hes mocking you with his expression. But at the same time...there is some sort of..."innocence" and calm surrounding him. Very intriguinging.

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    INTENSE

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    I can just feel the anger resonating from this picture alone...its so intense, too intense that I hesistated even putting the picture up because it might offend certain people because of his energy.
    lol? I think he looks like someone's garden gnome come to life. That's not quite it. But if that's an SEI 8 well I suppose he must be quite unique... one of the few of this rare breed.

    Oh, I don't know anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadae View Post
    Close. E8s are a highly externalized type -- not specifically extroverted.
    Not quite convinced about that but hey, you're the dinosaur apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Not quite convinced about that but hey, you're the dinosaur apparently.
    Are you always an asshole for no reason?

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    Problems arise when you actually decide to roll with it, still wanting to marry them both together which means that, for utmost compatibility you're looking for an E4 ILE. What follows is, you're going to have to(?) post a thread inquiring about ILEs, specifically, E4 ILEs.
    I don't feel "compatible" with ILE, or um E4 in that complementary opposites way. I'm kind of dismissing complements from my thinking, mainly because anything akin to "dual-seeking" can actually just end up being internalized in a way. I don't know if it necessarily has to apply to others. It can apply maybe to the part of one's own perception where one sees "other" but it need not involve actual others (though it can, depending). At least that's how I'm looking at it these days. I think that it could be related to projection in a way. The more one develops "other" in their mind, the more they kind of project it outward and then it becomes a little more concrete actually being something that can be applied to actual other people in a way. But I don't think one necessarily has to go that way.

    I suspected EI was just probably "wrong" about E8 and Jung's Ne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    The more one develops "other" in their mind, the more they kind of project it outward and then it becomes a little more concrete actually being something that can be applied to actual other people in a way. But I don't think one necessarily has to go that way.
    No idea. Never looked at people in terms of their Etype nor Sociotype in real life before. Don't know why, I think I was quite disinterested. This site is actually where I indulge in such fancy having some time on my hands and to some extent it did [the theory] influence my perception of certain people, which doesn't mean much anyway, for I did enjoy their company and vice versa before and after.

    I suspected EI was just probably "wrong" about E8 and Jung's Ne.
    Agree. An useless description. I have to yet see Jung dabbling in Enneagram.

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    Absurd, why are you here? I'm not agitated for using foul language. I'm agitated that you seem to think that this is a dive bar for the Absurd show. I'm agitated that you tend to sink threads to nothingsville for no fucking reason. Last, I'm agitated that you are so passive-aggressive with what you really mean. Note that it took this long to even get that out and across.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Would that seem strange?
    Yes.

    I see E8 as generally EXXj + ESXp. SEIs are usually 4, 6, and 9, sometimes 3. Maybe 2?

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    Michael Posner is an ISFp 3. It is quite a contrast when an assertive triad has an ISFp or INFj. Generally, I see more ISFp 6w5 than ISFp 6w7. Si is such an antithesis to the nature of a 7. I imagine an ISFp 8w9, although likely very rare, would be more likely than an ISFp 8w7.

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    How is Si antithetical to escapism? I agree that there are probably more Se ego 7s than anything else, but there are also a lot of Ne ego 7s.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    This is all very interesting.

    They [instinctive triad] think that all significant problems lie outside themselves in the environment, which they attempt either to dominate (Eights), find union with (Nines), or improve (Ones).
    This reminds me of someone I had to work with long ago. This person was I felt usually asking me to do unreasonable, pointless & time-wasting things; always getting in my space; and was rather aggressive in her need for some kind of "I help you, now you help me" exchange (I think it was how she connected to others and so my not cooperating probably just made her try harder). I had the most difficult time trying to assert myself around her, in part because I would get upset that she seemed unable to comprehend my point of view--no amount of talking would change anything was rather the view I had eventually. When I'm frustrated like this I often get on the verge of tears and this makes me unable to talk until I can get rid of the excess emotion and so I usually feel rendered speechless and trying not to go a certain way emotionally in a context where it's rather inappropriate and not a good time (if this weren't at work, it would be easier).

    My preference (after I decided there was no point in trying to mend things--we were just too different) was to avoid her as much as possible and minimize areas where we would end up intersecting. I felt this was the only way (long-term) to solve my problem. Some others had gotten on her case for how she treated me and this would temporarily get her to back off, but as long as things were arranged a certain way in terms of duties and how they were perceived, the problem would continue. So I rather got the help of my supervisor (who I knew was on my side) by rather hinting at problems and ways that things could change that just happened to separate our areas a little more so as to minimize my necessary contact with the one I had a problem with (although I didn't say that was my primary goal--but it did go well with my other goals to not be involved in her busy body, time-wasting activities as that meant two people were wasting their time rather than just one). I essentially used one person as a road block to protect me from another and it freed me to carry on my work in peace. This is the kind of crap that I may do in some of these situations

    Anyway this was all very much about my space. I loathe situations where people are in my space and I'm upset about them and yes, sometimes I'm not sure where the boundaries of "my space" are. I just expect people to not trample through them out of common decency or something. I mean I usually am thinking about questions of am I going too far or not far enough, and I'm bad at knowing sometimes, but I am at least considering it. But I don't mean to imply that I'm always an unassertive person. I feel like I'm more assertive with my family and then I wonder if I'm being too assertive.

    These all sound like Nine issues to me. However, to actually be concerned enough to use one person as a roadblock as I said above, to me hints at trying to in some sense "dominate my environment" although for me what I usually want is protection from the demands and intrusions of others (I like my job set up so that I'm safe to do my work without having to worry about others... I can transition into liking to work with others if we actually work well together and I begin to like them). I feel ambiguous about whether or not I care that I struggle with self-assertiveness in some situations. I think I'm bothered by both my assertiveness and non-assertiveness. I'm probably also afraid of being aggressive because I don't want to be aggressive--it's like some sort of social role ingrained or something. I prefer to be the "passive one" and so if it seems that a total role reversal can actually be pulled off, then what is rising out of me. So that's when I wonder about being an incredibly repressed Eight. Because all of these paragraphs do speak to some kind of boundary awareness and intentionality.

    Maybe wanting to be the "passive one" is itself Nine-ish. The "passive one" can merge with all the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadae View Post
    re: ESTj vs. ISFj.

    I do not know what he is. I try not to think too far into people I interact with. I try to limit myself to those on TV and movies. It is not that I am capable, but it is that I actively dislike doing it. It ruins any sincere feelings and thought about another, and I do not want to destroy that sort of interaction of sincerity from myself or the other person. I wish I had not done so in previous time.
    For real...
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadae View Post
    D1. I never paid any attention to Loki. I do not know why you are so up in arms about making sure everything converges into a singular consistantcy.
    Neither did I and I think you have me mixed up with someone else yet again.

    D3. E8 is not specifically extroverted, which was the entire point until you decided to be a cunt to yet another person, which happened to be this time.
    And that's exactly what I was aiming at. Descriptions are rubbish, bollocks and bunk. What am I saying is, taking any description as an objective measure used in comparison between what is examined and the person taking the exam, fails miserably. Example is this very thread. And if what I'm saying is correct, then I don't know how any of us are actually able to state that this or that type is the one and the only one that fits the bill, ergo it's all pretty subjective to begin with. Prone to interpretation ad infinitum, which explains those numerous 'type-me' threads where dinosaurs, excuse me, old members re-discover themselves talking in length and in depth about enneagram and socionics, just to arrive at nothing or their previous self-typing. Cycle continues, forum draws "fresh" blood, some drama here, some drama there, and it withers and dies. Cycle continues.

    I don't have any qualms with you saying that E8 is externalised or not specifically extroverted. Just contrasted what you have been claiming with what has been written in that description I linked. You're not arguing with me, you're arguing with the author of that description even though you can't see it.

    As for you whining again that I use foul language because it is what this boils down to, hey I don't consider what I am about to say before I open my mouth to speak and just blurt out the first thing that comes to my mind. I don't censor myself nor intend to. You've got a problem with that, join IRC or socionix for pleasantries, and a tea party.

    D5. You never answered my original questions.
    I think I did.

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    re: ESTj vs. ISFj.

    I do not know what he is. I try not to think too far into people I interact with. I try to limit myself to those on TV and movies. It is not that I am capable, but it is that I actively dislike doing it. It ruins any sincere feelings and thought about another, and I do not want to destroy that sort of interaction of sincerity from myself or the other person. I wish I had not done so in previous time.

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