am I infp???

**ashlesha** · 04-03-2012, 11:08 PM

loki you gave a thoughtful answer so I feel like I should give one in response even though the impulse is to throw my hands up and say fuck it. because I feel like the dichotomy doesn't apply to me.

I don't like ambiguity in general. if something is unclear no matter what, I like to know that so I can categorize it as "unclear" and forget about it and stop trying to figure out. regarding the obvious example of socionics, thats basically what happened. but over time I've responded to the ambiguity of the theory in different ways. I've solicited lots of opinions and tried to jumble together viewpoints and see different perspectives. and I have stubbornly decided it was all bullshit and cornered people saying they're just making stuff up and trying to get them to confess it was just politics and sophistry.

another example. I stayed with my ex for several years after our relationship was for all intents and purposes "over." partly out of a sense of obligation and duty. partly because I didn't know what life would look like after I left and I was scared. and partly because I wasn't sure if the lack of warmth I felt towards him was a normal part of being in an adult relationship and maybe I just needed to deal with it and accept that. for the last couple years of our relationship it was almost entirely fear. financially, practically. and when I did leave - after all the deliberation and worry over SO much time - it was basically impulse. I decided, "I'm done thinking. I'm doing this." and because of this, I ended up leaving with no savings and no real plan. just started calling contacts and apartments with no idea what was coming because I had to DO something. I feel like this is relevant to the whole ne/se thing but I don't know how to interpret it.

which is all kind of irrelevant to you if you're going between different intuitive types for me lol. its just the stuff that rattles in my head and you brought it out.

**ashlesha** · 04-04-2012, 02:27 AM

oh my god lmao that video wasnt very enticing

**Ver** · 04-04-2012, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by kassie

another example. I stayed with my ex for several years after our relationship was for all intents and purposes "over." partly out of a sense of obligation and duty. partly because I didn't know what life would look like after I left and I was scared. and partly because I wasn't sure if the lack of warmth I felt towards him was a normal part of being in an adult relationship and maybe I just needed to deal with it and accept that. for the last couple years of our relationship it was almost entirely fear. financially, practically. and when I did leave - after all the deliberation and worry over SO much time - it was basically impulse. I decided, "I'm done thinking. I'm doing this." and because of this, I ended up leaving with no savings and no real plan. just started calling contacts and apartments with no idea what was coming because I had to DO something. I feel like this is relevant to the whole ne/se thing but I don't know how to interpret it.
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I hope you are ok now, kassie. I know that break ups can be really difficult and painful. But you are probably much better now - at least that was how I felt after my long relatioship ended.
As for your type, I really don't know. I perceive you ISFj or ISTp but I've said it many times that for me it's not quite relevant what people write here and what their types are. I mean you don't have to be yourself and, which is more, you are sometimes not aware of that. Written word is something different and it's only a part of yourself.
I always take my interpersonal relationship into account while trying to decide what my type is. How I relate to that person, if we can have mutual understanding etc. Maybe that could help decide? Also, I'd say that the less you think about socionics the better for you. I was in that trap a few years ago when I tried to understand everything and analyze it from socionics point of view. Now I think the challenge for me is to go beyond it. The more untypeable you are, the better could it be for you. Doesn't matter what type you are, you will always be yourself. Maybe you are INFj and your S is strong (e.g. you had to deal with Ni/Se types and you've learned it). The most important thing is, I believe, to be in a close relationship with somebody who has similar values. It's just easy and helpful in life. The rest of the people we can easily get on with and with our knowledge in socionics, understand.
I've seen different people of different types and I quess it's not even duality is always the best choice. It depends on individuals. Socionics is just a theory, it's like hmm a substance in a laboratory which behaves in a different way in a polluted environment. I know that while growing older I've become much more introverted, from attention seeking person (I've always felt my parents didn't pay any attention to me) I've become very, very private. Of course my type is probably what it used to be but... the external signs changed a lot.
However, I understand that you are trying to find your type. When somebody doubts my type, I always feel that I don't know what my identity is...but I feel it's so wrong. We shouldn't think this way. Go beyond it is my message for today and I'm going to repeat it to myself

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And do you feel you are INFj Kassie? Because you are probably the type you think you are.

**ashlesha** · 04-04-2012, 01:29 PM

oh, i'm fine. and i'm really not concerned with finding my type, i was just having fun with this and then ended up getting sucked in haha. thank you for your concern, you're kind.

**inumbra** · 04-04-2012, 04:23 PM

Is Ver, Vero?

**ashlesha** · 04-04-2012, 04:30 PM

noop

**blackburry** · 04-04-2012, 11:05 PM

When I read ur shit, it's like reading my shit.
most of the time.

0=|3<

**redbaron** · 04-05-2012, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Loki

Is Ver, Vero?

I wondered that too at first but figured it out. But then it made me miss her!

**Radio** · 04-05-2012, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by blackburry

0=|3<

if that's supposed to be a woman, why are the boobs hanging so low

**ashlesha** · 04-09-2012, 11:42 PM

**Trevor** · 04-09-2012, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by kassie

Creepy.

**ashlesha** · 04-09-2012, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Trevor

Creepy.

what does that mean though, does it mean i'm creepy? lol

**krieger** · 04-10-2012, 12:43 AM

hahah, i don't think your stuff is creepy except in a good way at times. i get both NF vibes and Ni vibes from most of it so i could sort of see it going both ways between INFj and ISFj.

ps. i spent some time around gamma SFs last weekend and could help but keep thinking they weren't much like you. its like comparing a Stradivarius violin to a sledgehammer. i'm sort of back to being skeptical of the notion that you would be ISFj within the context of a single type being right.

**ashlesha** · 04-10-2012, 12:47 AM

thank you! i don't know anything about violins but that smelled like a compliment.

Originally Posted by labocat

hahah, i don't think your stuff is creepy except in a good way at times. i get both NF vibes and Ni vibes from most of it so i could sort of see it going both ways between INFj and ISFj.

or...? hehe

Creepy-female · 04-10-2012, 12:50 AM

I like your blog a lot, Kassie. I don't think it's creepy. I do think it's a bit..repressed kind of? Or jonesing for shock value? That's not quite what I mean. It isn't pure shock value..it's like pure aesthetic artistic shock value. Like art touches a person. Certain art touches me. But I don't jive with all of it. And it's like your art has a bit of a vice grip on absolute sensation. I like it. It's also like sensory overload at times.

This one resonated with me..

**ashlesha** · 04-10-2012, 12:59 AM

thank you dolphin! i think that was really insightful cuz it got at what the blog is to me in a way. like theres an ecstasy and intensity in the pictures that i can't access otherwise. so it is jonesing, kind of.

**ashlesha** · 04-10-2012, 01:23 AM

for the record: lab is not in my opposing quadra!!!

trevor is though.

**krieger** · 04-10-2012, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by kassie

for the record: lab is not in my opposing quadra!!!

trevor is though.

lets start a quadra of our own for us outcast Se/Ne misfits.

**woofwoofl** · 04-10-2012, 02:35 AM

I love the tumblr

makes me want to write music again, something huge in scale, made vast by its massive empty spaces moreso than its jagged, disparate contents... an icy tundra, rusted-out mechanical waste scattered across the frozen plain, bodies shambling naked in the distance, in pairs, some of them bloodied, holding on to each other and nothing else... gotta find my guitarist and bassist... makes me want to... hell, I'm not sure particularly what, but it's stirring up something with me in a good way haha... fucking hell, I need to get those soundproof walls...

**ambivalent existence** · 05-06-2012, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by lungs

I don't like ambiguity in general. if something is unclear no matter what, I like to know that so I can categorize it as "unclear" and forget about it and stop trying to figure out. regarding the obvious example of socionics, thats basically what happened. but over time I've responded to the ambiguity of the theory in different ways. I've solicited lots of opinions and tried to jumble together viewpoints and see different perspectives. and I have stubbornly decided it was all bullshit and cornered people saying they're just making stuff up and trying to get them to confess it was just politics and sophistry.

that's exactly what I was doing here for a few days... I solicited many opinions to get perspectives and remove as much of ambiguity as possible. so why did it bother you lol. (I'm not asking for a response here, am simply pointing this out.)

another example. I stayed with my ex for several years after our relationship was for all intents and purposes "over." partly out of a sense of obligation and duty. (...) and when I did leave - after all the deliberation and worry over SO much time - it was basically impulse. I decided, "I'm done thinking. I'm doing this."

I also did this myself in a similar fashion in a relationship. I felt obliged to stay. but then I had enough and left - with some worries too, though I did have savings and did have a way to go on with life, even if I was pretty unclear about the details... I didn't really have many ideas on it, I simply assumed I would somehow sort it out as I go along.

**ashlesha** · 05-06-2012, 03:19 PM

hahaha this thread.

Originally Posted by ambivalent existence

that's exactly what I was doing here for a few days... I solicited many opinions to get perspectives and remove as much of ambiguity as possible. so why did it bother you lol. (I'm not asking for a response here, am simply pointing this out.)

i did it in a different way. i think we have about the same number of type threads, but mine are accumulated over the space of a couple years. i think i went more towards getting a strong understanding of the theoretical underpinning so i could work from there and my search was more in that direction. (lol an argument for those who type you Te and me Ti valuing.) i see you going more towards picking something specific, like a type, and then finding everything wrong/contradictory with it, and picking something else specific, like a function placement, and then finding everything wrong/contradictory with it - i don't know why that's like nails on a chalkboard to me, but it is. sorry. i also decided on a type before i started posting and i don't know what it would have been like otherwise, so that's a difference. also with your domination of the chatbox and your unwillingness to find links i mentioned, i get the impression you're more dependent on other people than i was and not as interested in independent reading and study.

Originally Posted by ambivalent existence

I also did this myself in a similar fashion in a relationship. I felt obliged to stay. but then I had enough and left - with some worries too, though I did have savings and did have a way to go on with life, even if I was pretty unclear about the details... I didn't really have many ideas on it, I simply assumed I would somehow sort it out as I go along.

yeah, thats tough.

**ashlesha** · 05-06-2012, 03:24 PM

**ashlesha** · 05-06-2012, 03:24 PM

**JWC3** · 05-06-2012, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by lungs

would I enjoy a good spanking?

My ex was probably IEI and she didn't care for spanking which was disappointing. Not because I really like spanking or anything but because now if I ever do want to spank I can no longer assume that there is just a 16th of the population ready to satisfy. Now I have to actually get to know people on an individual level and from there gauge their willingness to spank or be spanked which is a huge pain. I just don't want to put that much effort into spanking.

**redbaron** · 05-06-2012, 05:18 PM

lungs and kassie, the same person?

lungs/kassie, I've always felt like you're IEI. *shrug*

writing style I guess, and the way you respond to stuff in general. but I could be wrong.

**ashlesha** · 05-06-2012, 05:38 PM

yes.

well, i do have a black&white avatar now.

**redbaron** · 05-06-2012, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by lungs

yes.

well, i do have a black&white avatar now.

there ya go.

**ambivalent existence** · 05-06-2012, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by lungs

hahaha this thread.

i did it in a different way. i think we have about the same number of type threads, but mine are accumulated over the space of a couple years. i think i went more towards getting a strong understanding of the theoretical underpinning so i could work from there and my search was more in that direction. (lol an argument for those who type you Te and me Ti valuing.) i see you going more towards picking something specific, like a type, and then finding everything wrong/contradictory with it, and picking something else specific, like a function placement, and then finding everything wrong/contradictory with it - i don't know why that's like nails on a chalkboard to me, but it is. sorry. i also decided on a type before i started posting and i don't know what it would have been like otherwise, so that's a difference. also with your domination of the chatbox and your unwillingness to find links i mentioned, i get the impression you're more dependent on other people than i was and not as interested in independent reading and study.

Well, I will not open another type thread, as I've settled on a type. So over the years I will catch up to you.

It's also because I'm more intense in doing things than most people.

I did pick a type before I first came to this forum, the first sentence I ever typed on this forum says so, I bet you didn't read it though, because most people had an attention span too short to read my first post. Anyway, the thing was that as I started learning more about the theory, I noticed I may not be that type. I originally assumed it was my type because I assumed there was enough correlation between MBTI tests and it (seems not the case however & MBTI tests and MBTI itself suck anyway). I was also told by other people on another forum that I can't be that type based on certain traits I have... that's when I realised my assumption about the correlation was wrong. (My socionics understanding wasn't any good back then.)

I also wanted to get a strong understanding. I was/am doing independent reading; you have no way to tell how much time I spend on that part, as you only see me in chat, you don't see me in front of my computer looking up stuff. Also, I decided that finding the correct type for me within the restrictions of the system would help with gaining more understanding. So that was also a goal, get more understanding while completing this type finding task.

It may feel nails on a chalkboard to you because you're not a Ti valuer but a Fi type. Also, I find it strange that you try to build theories about me without enough tangible evidence (such as checking what I do in front of my computer beyond the goddamn chat), instead you rely on subjective impressions. Maybe that's because of your leading Fi, though. Btw, fuck those links already.

Overall, clearly, you have no real idea about my motivations, just your subjective guesswork based on incomplete information. If you're unwilling to accept my corrections about this, I can't do anything about that. Sorry, I can only use Ti for this, your Fi may not appreciate that.

PS: This is not fully off topic. In response to your question, I think you are a Fi type.

**ashlesha** · 05-06-2012, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by ambivalent existence

I did pick a type before I first came to this forum, the first sentence I ever typed on this forum says so, I bet you didn't read it though, because most people had an attention span too short to read my first post.

you had an expectation that strangers should read a shit ton of text about you and instead of thinking that might be unrealistic you shift it on to everyone else and criticize their short attention spans. could your sense of entitlement get any larger? on that note, i am not obligated to like you. but hopefully now that you've decided you're Ti and i'm Fi you can find some peace and closure. i will continue to complain as much as i want. you following me into this thread to continue it is not helping you there.

Originally Posted by ambivalent existence

I also wanted to get a strong understanding. I was/am doing independent reading; you have no way to tell how much time I spend on that part, as you only see me in chat, you don't see me in front of my computer looking up stuff. ...Btw, fuck those links already.

this is another thing i have tried over and over and over and over and over to explain to you. maybe you should read carefully.

i have two contradictory pieces of evidence regarding the amount of independent study you are willing to engage in. they are as follows:

1. your unwillingness to search for information someone tells you about and your expectation that they should do it for you, along with hours and hours completely dominating the chatbox with conversation about your type.
2. your personal statement that you engage in a lot of independent study.

you tell me, objective Ti valuer, calling out the Fi valuer on their "subjective impressions" - which piece of evidence is stronger?

**Animal** · 05-06-2012, 10:50 PM

I really like this (from your tumblr):

Also, this one makes me cringe:

Something about scratching that makes me extremely squeamish. More so than even the woman pulling off her skin in the other picture. It reminds of this set of photos I saw once of Kurt Cobain in which there were scratch marks on his back, apparently from some rough sex with Courtney Love the night before... it skeeved me out so much.

**ashlesha** · 05-06-2012, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by Baby

I really like this (from your tumblr):

that was bird/hydrangea's avatar for awhile

re: the other one, i'm not much of a scratcher, lol, but i'm very drawn the symbolism (at least what i get from it)

**Animal** · 05-06-2012, 11:03 PM

Ah, it did seem kind of familiar, lol. What is the symbolism you get from that?

Oh God, I just looked at it again. It hurts so much to look at those last two panels. Blegh. lol

Funny enough, I'm fascinated by the new medical oddities, like the guy's head sliced up on your page.

**ashlesha** · 05-06-2012, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Baby

Ah, it did seem kind of familiar, lol. What is the symbolism you get from that?

Oh God, I just looked at it again. It hurts so much to look at those last two panels. Blegh. lol

Funny enough, I'm fascinated by the new medical oddities, like the guy's head sliced up on your page.

lol. organs and insides in general. its like whats underneath, who people really are, there's an intimacy in it. maybe its more obvious in the picture of the girl pulling away at her skin and looking inside - introspection, facing the gross stuff in there. in the scratching picture its like the act of sex is something that makes people very vulnerable with each other - well, literally naked, and she's taking away another layer, exposing something more vulnerable and intimate and real. also i think sex is kind of violent to begin with and what she's doing is on another plane of the same thing in that respect too. if that makes sense.

**Animal** · 05-06-2012, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by lungs

lol. organs and insides in general. its like whats underneath, who people really are, there's an intimacy in it. maybe its more obvious in the picture of the girl pulling away at her skin and looking inside - introspection, facing the gross stuff in there. in the scratching picture its like the act of sex is something that makes people very vulnerable with each other - well, literally naked, and she's taking away another layer, exposing something more vulnerable and intimate and real. also i think sex is kind of violent to begin with and what she's doing is on another plane of the same thing in that respect too. if that makes sense.

I get that. In classical Buddhism, there's actually a powerful meditation that monks do where they go to the charnal grounds (places in Asia where dead bodies are placed before being cremated) and observe corpses in various stages of decomposition. I saw a series of photos of this one time. The skin is the first thing to "dissolve" (that's literally what it looks like), and eventually the skeleton is gradually revealed and you see the insides. It was disturbing and fascinating, lol.

I actually think the best sex is characterized by violently trying to merge with each other, and never quite being able to get close enough. All that sort of sadomasochistic stuff, I think, is some attempt at intimacy. It intensifies the intimacy if you can accept/inflict pain.

**ambivalent existence** · 05-06-2012, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by lungs

you had an expectation that strangers should read a shit ton of text about you and instead of thinking that might be unrealistic you shift it on to everyone else and criticize their short attention spans. could your sense of entitlement get any larger? on that note, i am not obligated to like you. but hopefully now that you've decided you're Ti and i'm Fi you can find some peace and closure. i will continue to complain as much as i want. you following me into this thread to continue it is not helping you there.

feel free to complain; it will get ignored. this was my last attempt to make you understand, and only because I found it ironic you admitting you asked people a lot too while criticising me for it.

this is another thing i have tried over and over and over and over and over to explain to you. maybe you should read carefully.

i have two contradictory pieces of evidence regarding the amount of independent study you are willing to engage in. they are as follows:

1. your unwillingness to search for information someone tells you about and your expectation that they should do it for you, along with hours and hours completely dominating the chatbox with conversation about your type.
2. your personal statement that you engage in a lot of independent study.

who the fuck cares about how much time I spent on a chat for a few days? not any kind of proof for the rest of my life.

you tell me, objective Ti valuer, calling out the Fi valuer on their "subjective impressions" - which piece of evidence is stronger?

Ti is only second function for me, while Fi is your first. so, there.

**Azure Flame** · 05-08-2012, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by lungs

1. that doesn't even mean anything
2. yes, but i desire far more than that
3. i can't even do the splits
4. he has me wrapped around his finger

ha, this is working perfectly!

iei was actually my very first self typing. i daydream a fair amount and i like masculine men.

Who doesn't like masculine men? Shit, sometimes I like myself.

ps: that sex comic is freaking me out. If someone tore my back open like that I'd probably sue.

**HandiAce** · 05-08-2012, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Arendee

Who doesn't like masculine men? Shit, sometimes I like myself.

ps: that sex comic is freaking me out. If someone tore my back open like that I'd probably sue.

Because you're the one that wants to do the back-tearing right?

My initial reaction to it was that the comic is not showing passionate sex, but then again it is showing it because of the need to get "deeper" if you know what I'm saying...

**ashlesha** · 05-08-2012, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Arendee

Who doesn't like masculine men? Shit, sometimes I like myself.

that wasn't meant entirely seriously lol. tbh i'm not into the macho sle stereotype sort of guy at ALL.

but masculinity is important in terms of a guy who wouldn't, like, die after two days in the woods or something. and body hair is hot.

**Aquagraph** · 05-08-2012, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by lungs

that wasn't meant entirely seriously lol. tbh i'm not into the macho sle stereotype sort of guy at ALL.

Rarely are people attracted to stereotypes. Yet too often. But you are way too smart for that.
If I ask you really nicely, will you be IEI?

**ashlesha** · 05-08-2012, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Aquagraph

Rarely are people attracted to stereotypes. Yet too often. But you are way too smart for that.
If I ask you really nicely, will you be IEI?

well if I gave in just because you asked nicely, then I wouldn't be a very good victim, would i?

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