Male ESFjs/ESE men

[silverchris9]

Hmmm... I don't think I know any male ESEs. I'm really tight with a female ESE, but I can't think of a single male ESE that I know. Maybe I've been mistyping some people! I'd imagine male ESEs are very different from the SEIs I know. Actually... my mom's boyfriend might be ESE. I've typed him IEE, SLI, and SEI before... but ESE could actually be a really good fit, now that I think about it. There was just nothing that set of my ESE radar because, well, my ESE radar is full of a bunch of very feminine stereotypes. Oops.

So, to answer your question, I might know a male ESE very well, but I never typed him as such before now.

[Blaze]

i know a ton of them. they're great really down to earth and fun and nice and manly. my hs sweetheart was an ESE.

sometimes they seem similar to SLE, but not for long. they are very giving people, very helpful. very energetic and can be driven. the Fe comes right off them, almost impossible to mistake.

[Satan]

They're really loud and jolly, and can usually be seen with a beer in hand. They seem to know just about everyone in the universe & they're always willing to help people out. They kind of remind me of energetic loyal puppy dogs that are always eager to please. They CAN'T keep still, and they're really annoying to watch movies with.

oh fuck now you've reminded me of them. ok, i know what they're like now.

they can also be really moody and make a big deal of little things like people not responding to their always-enthusiastic-but-nothing-to-say greetings etc.

[Marie84]

The only certain ESE and Beta ST relationship I've observed was between my LSI father and his friend. He (the ESE) is a computer specialist from Ghana; one of the most energetic, talkative, friendly and charitable people I've met.
He tends to get really loud when he talks, and has a rather jovial and energetic tone to his voice. Laughs and claps a lot in conversation, makes a lot of hand gestures when he's speaking.
This guy was so nice he spent about a week building me a computer when I was in highschool, for free. He never asks for anything in return, which I guess can be related to his Si caregiver side as well. He just really loves to help people and lavishes his kids and friends with all sorts of luxuries.

I've seen him get mad at his kids a few times, but it's never "aggressive" really, maybe a bit pushy though.
He'd call my dad a lot and they'd talk on the phone for hours. Sometimes they would get into passionate arguments, I think most of them were ignited by my LSI fathers stubbornness so he rarely ever budges when he sets his mind on something. The ESE generally would get sick of the arguing and move onto a different subject to deflate the conflict.

I don't have any recollection of any in a Beta setting to my memory, might have happened but I didn't realize it. But I typically really like male FeSi, they smile very easily and never miss a beat in a conversation. They tend to be very aware of what's going on at all times and tend to move to interact with whatever while being perfectly fine with you sitting there stationary.

Yeah, that's pretty much how most ESE's I've known are

[cracka]

What they said...lol. ^

lol @ the movie comment. So what if we like to talk about the movie while it's going on...haha. It's even worse if it's a movie we've already seen... I won't put people through that anymore.

[Blaze]

all the ESE's i know have like 500+ friends on facebook. they know EVERYONE it seems. love it.

[redbaron]

I'm married to a male ESE. But lately I've wondered if he might be Delta ST. I dunno. He values Ti AND Te, imo. But he's also very effusive and good with people. Si is a big deal. It's what he *does* all the time. Cooking, cleaning, laundry, tidying up, helping. He's a great host but things must go the way he wants them to go. If something goes wrong with the meal, he's not too happy. One of his great talents is making people feel welcomed. Like if someone new came to the neighborhood, he'd stand out there and talk to them for hours, dropping names and trying to be helpful in any way possible.

With betas it usually starts out okay but then after awhile he retreats, psychologically. Kind of like stuff goes over his head or he tunes it out like he's no longer interested. He's much more at home with alphas and deltas. He thinks beta irrationals are unreliable and unpredictable. Not knowing what people are going to do next makes him uneasy. One-on-one with betas it's a bit better I think. But if there's a group of them, he finds them too intense (would be my guess anyway, based on past behavior and vibes).

[cracka]

I'm married to a male ESE. But lately I've wondered if he might be Delta ST. I dunno. He values Ti AND Te, imo. But he's also very effusive and good with people. Si is a big deal. It's what he *does* all the time. Cooking, cleaning, laundry, tidying up, helping. He's a great host but things must go the way he wants them to go. If something goes wrong with the meal, he's not too happy. One of his great talents is making people feel welcomed. Like if someone new came to the neighborhood, he'd stand out there and talk to them for hours, dropping names and trying to be helpful in any way possible.

With betas it usually starts out okay but then after awhile he retreats, psychologically. Kind of like stuff goes over his head or he tunes it out like he's no longer interested. He's much more at home with alphas and deltas. He thinks beta irrationals are unreliable and unpredictable. Not knowing what people are going to do next makes him uneasy. One-on-one with betas it's a bit better I think. But if there's a group of them, he finds them too intense (would be my guess anyway, based on past behavior and vibes).

That's funny... like everything else I have in common with him, it was the enormous amount of Si I tend to use that first brought attention to the fact that I wasn't a Delta ST as I'd first thought when I got here. After the case of Si was brought up, the Fe just fit in there enough for my type to be ESFJ, with almost no question about it anymore.

[DividedsGhost]

oh fuck now you've reminded me of them. ok, i know what they're like now.

they can also be really moody and make a big deal of little things like people not responding to their always-enthusiastic-but-nothing-to-say greetings etc.

If you don't answer and stare at them at the same time sometimes they get confused (or is it bored?) and they leave you alone .

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[momoking]

Mitchell from Modern Family acts like an ESE

[electric sheep]

So what are you relationships with them like?

Also what are they like in general?

And of course, does anyone have any experience with them in a beta atmosphere?

Also does anyone have any comments regarding their uses of Se and Fe? I think I might know one, and it's easy for me to mistake his natural energy and passion for doing, well anything at all, as Se instead of Fe. Though he is more energetic than I would ever expect from a Se ego.

those silly 3s

[Gilly]

ESEs seem more tense to me than SEEs; SEEs, especially Se subtypes, often have that sort of "made-out-of-thick-rubber-bands" feel about their movements, very mobile, whereas ESEs usually feel more refined, sometimes a bit forced in speech, with measured movements.

[Gilly]

all the ESE's i know have like 500+ friends on facebook. they know EVERYONE it seems. love it.

Take it from someone who fits into that category: there's no way in hell they are actually friends with all of them.

[redbaron]

Take it from someone who fits into that category: there's no way in hell they are actually friends with all of them.

well of course not.

[The Exception]

Take it from someone who fits into that category: there's no way in hell they are actually friends with all of them.

well of course not.

Facebook sets a limit of 5000 friends FYI.

[redbaron]

Facebook sets a limit of 5000 friends FYI.

and I think the limit on newsfeed friends is actually 250.

[Gilly]

and I think the limit on newsfeed friends is actually 250.

That makes a lot of sense, actually, because I almost never see shit on there from the people I actually give a shit about.

[redbaron]

That makes a lot of sense, actually, because I almost never see shit on there from the people I actually give a shit about.

don't you have the people you don't care about on your "hide" list? That's what I do. That way, only the 100 or whatever number people I care about come up on my newsfeed.

[electric sheep]

seems like you all know the wrong kind of of ESFj

[shakealittle]

You can even be their friends - if you are OK with accepting that they think they deserve their pedestals (they all place themselves on pedestals), and can force yourself into feeding their egos, that is. ESEs want people to admire them, and give loads of compliments to everybody.

From my experience, this is SO true. Sometimes the ESE will even put themselves down so they can get others to compliment them. When people don't play that game and just agree with their put downs they will get even more upset so you HAVE to compliment them.
They always need reassurance.
I also get a sense they need the recognition you mention.
There's an ESE guy at my school who acts as if he puts in 100x more work than the rest of the group when in reality, that doesn't match up, as the IEE said, it's all an act.

[MatthewZ]

Sounds like unhealthy ESEs are memorable.

[The Ineffable]

In alphabetical order:

Anoushiravan Rohani, Iranian musician. He composed the Persian equivalent of 'Happy Birthday'.


Danny DeVito, American actor/comedian.


Dem Rădulescu, Romanian actor/comedian.


Louis de Funès, French actor/comedian.

[Trevor]

Danny DeVito

Aren't bald fat guys supposed to be SEIs, according to VI patriarchs?

[Words]

Brad Schumpter, acrylics technician

I disagree with this typing.

[Exodus]

Aren't bald fat guys supposed to be SEIs, according to VI patriarchs?

Don't be silly.

Still not sure about DeVito. Maybe EIE? He seems to use more than . (He's kind of similar to Tarantino, actually.)

[pianosinger]

Tim Allen?

[ashlesha]

seth rogen??

[ashlesha]

gary levox??

[glam]

David Bromstad

[The Ineffable]

@Trevor: ask those patriarchs

@glamourama: I don't know that guy to make an opinion, but he looks like an ESE friend of mine, the one I said that he sometimes could not get up on the beach because of spontaneous boners.
But in communication this guy looks more SEI to me, because he's pretty "mute", ESEs usually have a pretty pompous and verbose style, no? He seems more stiff and "dumb", far from the master of hugging and compliments that the ESE is, more like an SEI to me. Withdrawn, probably loner, devoured by his work and IMO probably spending long hours alone on his interests.

In case that it's just about the filming, he's shy or something, then my bad .
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So about the people in the OP, some stuff:

@thehotelambush: I don't se DeVito similar to Tarantino, but that's just me. SG lists him as SEI, and if I use this description, he's totally right, but that apparently is some astrology rambling. It would be interesting to know about his private life. He's kinda shaggy for an EIE, don't you think? And I saw on youtube that he's too nice and patient with the paparazzi .
I personally don't doubt his Alpha SF-ness.

Saw De Funes typed as EIE on socioniko.net. He's certainly EXE - any objection, anyone?

In an interview with Dem Rădulescu, I found something interesting (approximate translation): "I'm a guy with a very developed critical sense. ... I (often) make the mistake to tell my opinion and that's why I don't go to the theatre. To the movies I do go, but to the theatre much rarer, because me, when I don't like something, I feel a physical pain here, in the chest".

And thehotelambush, as long as you're an ESE: do you too feel sometimes extreme disgust or attraction towards things, or you know, like sickness when something disturbs your taste? I ask you because besides that actor, I know at least an ESE IRL, sometimes describing such reactions (lady).

[Exodus]

@thehotelambush: I don't se DeVito similar to Tarantino, but that's just me. SG lists him as SEI, and if I use this description, he's totally right, but that apparently is some astrology rambling. It would be interesting to know about his private life. He's kinda shaggy for an EIE, don't you think? And I saw on youtube that he's too nice and patient with the paparazzi .

You're right, that description sounds ESE/SEI.

edit: lol ok, ESE works. Definitely an SF.

And thehotelambush, as long as you're an ESE: do you too feel sometimes extreme disgust or attraction towards things, or you know, like sickness when something disturbs your taste? I ask you because besides that actor, I know at least an ESE IRL, sometimes describing such reactions (lady).

lol what? I'm LII. What you're talking about sounds like Fi/Si/mental illness.

[The Ineffable]

lol what? I'm LII.

Oh yeah, I mistook you for the other guy like that... forgot his name right now, so nevermind

Edit: I think I was talking about cracka. He's an ESE male, right?

And no, you're wrong thehotelambush, Alpha SFs often feels emotions like physical pain, afaik. I don't think it's a mental illness.

[krieger]

Devito is ISFp, not ESFj.

[The Ineffable]

Devito is ISFp, not ESFj.

Interesting.

Any logical reasons for that conclusion, or just as usual you go by some consensus?

[krieger]

Where is your "logical reasoning"?

[The Ineffable]

Where is your "logical reasoning"?

Here: tu quote!

And labcoat, for the future, when you're tempted to answer questions with questions or with arguments totally unconnected to the topic discussed, alert yourself - you're almost certainly about to spill again some hilarious fallacy.

[krieger]

You obviously didn't even read that wikipedia page. It's only a logical fallacy when the response form is used in an inconsequent context.

[The Ineffable]

You obviously didn't even read that wikipedia page. It's only a logical fallacy when the response form is used in an inconsequent context.

The article is pretty straightforward; you probably overthink its statements.

A makes criticism P. - Bolt asked labcoat for arguments for why DeVito is SEI.
A is also guilty of P. - Bolt didn't offer in this thread any argument for his typing on DeVito, namely ESE
Therefore, P is dismissed. - labcoat dismisses Bolt's claim

Exactly the "you-too" version of the appeal to hypocrisy fallacy. Any questions?
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If you like, we may debate this, just in another thread.

[Galen]

A brief list of ESFjs I've found recently:


Patton Oswalt
Andy Kaufman
Michael Dorn (Worf from Star Trek TNE)
Patrick Stewart
Mandy Patinkin (hello, my name is Indigo Montoya, you killed my etc)
Neil Diamond
Harvey Milk