Cone has agreed to make a computerized test on my behalf

**HumanBean** · 07-05-2006, 05:00 AM

blah

**Catholic Schoolboy** · 07-05-2006, 05:08 AM

http://www.people.iup.edu/rdxm/ptest...yn3=Si&final=B

**Capitalist Pig** · 07-05-2006, 06:04 AM

http://www.people.iup.edu/rdxm/ptest...yn3=Se&final=A

Also using this befitting emoticon to convey my feelings about my result:

**Phaedrus** · 07-05-2006, 06:23 AM

I have tried to manipulate my answers in several ways to see if I could be an INTp, and every time it seems like to be an INTp it is necessary that I choose alternative 1 out of these two:

1. Natural and complete understanding of the nature of relations/attitudes between any people, their harmony and disharmony. Skill to understand desires and interests of people. Excellent understanding of the various aspects of relations between people. Excellent understanding of a person's attitude towards you.

2. Understanding the most concealed emotions of other people. Skill to understand the mood of other people and to influence it. Ability to bring out the necessary emotions in yourself and other people. Bright emotionalism. Skill to create around yourself joyful and holiday/celebratory mood. Raising the energy of the surrounding people. Talkativeness. Tendency to avoid negative emotions. Jovial merry person. Wealth of sincere experiences and feelings. Romanticism, passion. Bright and strong emotionalism. Cheerfulness.

This question is very difficult to answer in itself, and yet it also seems that I might have to answer to the final question that it was not difficult to choose between 1 and 2.

Now I wonder if choosing alternative 1 is in line with your understanding of INTps in general. Does everyone think so? And should it really be easy?

How should an INTp answer above if the following is true about an INTp?

She is as uncomfortable and insecure about sensing and influencing people's moods and emotional impressions of her as you are regarding your appearance. That results into an unawareness of "proper" emotional behavior in social or work environments which leads to occasional awkward behavior. It also leads to an extreme insecurity as to how others relate to her emotionally, and she dislikes extravagant displays of emotion since she never knows how to react to them or what exactly they mean.

From: http://oldforumlinkviewtopic.php?t=5...=asc&start=165

Whatever you might think about it, I think that to get the correct test result, everything should not depend on your answer to a question like that one. Is there another solution to this problem?

**aestrivex** · 07-05-2006, 07:37 AM

what phaedrus describes is, i believe, a fundamental flaw of these tests. a lot of these quadra tests and functional tests dont make much sense in this regard.

is unquestionably a weak function for an INTp.

is also a weak function. Thus, the question becomes paramount to having to choose between two weak functions. The question furthermore describes the functions as if they were very strong. While it might be reasonable to assume that an INTp would agree that his

is stronger than his

if presented with such a question, this type of question which presents both functions as strong is really not answerable. This problem is exacerbated by the following stage which asks "which of these questions was harder to answer," which is also not an appropriate question.

thats why i think tests that use this method (testing for the first two functions, however, do not fall under this category) such as this one and mcnews quadra tests aren't really valid. they might be improved by generating some sort of mechanism for determining which function pairs are strong and which pairs are weak and presenting different types of questions for both.

**Ms. Kensington** · 07-05-2006, 10:05 AM

i got entp. the last question was hard, and changing it gave me INTj.

**Expat** · 07-05-2006, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Phaedrus

1. Natural and complete understanding of the nature of relations/attitudes between any people, their harmony and disharmony. Skill to understand desires and interests of people. Excellent understanding of the various aspects of relations between people. Excellent understanding of a person's attitude towards you.

In principle,

, but not a good description IMO.

Originally Posted by Phaedrus

2. Understanding the most concealed emotions of other people. Skill to understand the mood of other people and to influence it. Ability to bring out the necessary emotions in yourself and other people. Bright emotionalism. Skill to create around yourself joyful and holiday/celebratory mood. Raising the energy of the surrounding people. Talkativeness. Tendency to avoid negative emotions. Jovial merry person. Wealth of sincere experiences and feelings. Romanticism, passion. Bright and strong emotionalism. Cheerfulness.

In principle

, a somewhat better description.

Originally Posted by Phaedrus

This question is very difficult to answer in itself, and yet it also seems that I might have to answer to the final question that it was not difficult to choose between 1 and 2.

Now I wonder if choosing alternative 1 is in line with your understanding of INTps in general. Does everyone think so? And should it really be easy?

An INTp has

over

preference and should answer 1. It should be "easy" since

is the PoLR, but I think that the phrasing in the

description - such as "excellent understanding" etc -- may make the choice more difficult.

Originally Posted by Phaedrus

How should an INTp answer above if the following is true about an INTp?

She is as uncomfortable and insecure about sensing and influencing people's moods and emotional impressions of her as you are regarding your appearance. That results into an unawareness of "proper" emotional behavior in social or work environments which leads to occasional awkward behavior. It also leads to an extreme insecurity as to how others relate to her emotionally, and she dislikes extravagant displays of emotion since she never knows how to react to them or what exactly they mean.

From: http://oldforumlinkviewtopic.php?t=5...=asc&start=165

Whatever you might think about it, I think that to get the correct test result, everything should not depend on your answer to a question like that one. Is there another solution to this problem?

I think that the bits I highlighted from my own quote clearly relate to

, and later in my description I indicated that INTps crave deeper connections

.

So an INTp should choose 1 over 2; the problem is in the phrasing which applies somewhat better to ego

types.

**Hugo** · 07-05-2006, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by gilligan87

A1
B2
C1
D2

A1
B2

If those are your result then it is not possible to get ESTj. Perhaps you did the test when there was a problem with it.

**Expat** · 07-05-2006, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Phaedrus

I am also dissatisfied with how INTjs and INTps are described in Socionics, and at least niffweed17 seem to be too. Jonathan might still not be convinced that he is an INTp, but if we can agree that he is also an INTp, then he also seems rather dissatisfied. The INTjs seem to be happy with (their own) descriptions of how they (as INTjs) are, though, and also with how they describe us (the INTps). How does it look like from your impartial perspective, Expat?

Honestly I haven't followed all those discussions with Jonathan and niffweed17 so closely to make my own impression of their types.

IMO most of the discussions about INTjs and INTps have focused too much on precise definitions of what is

and

. Some of that confusion may be made worse by INTjs having

as dominant function, while

for INTps is creative, and I wonder if part of the confusion is not also a mix-up between

and

.

I think INTps are very well described in socionics by Stratyeskaya and the profile in socioscope.com . I'm not as sure about INTjs since my experience with them - and my knowledge and understanding of them - is much lesser than with INTps.

**Gilly** · 07-05-2006, 05:37 PM

whaaaaaat the fuck

This thing is WHACK.

http://www.people.iup.edu/rdxm/ptest...yn3=Se&final=B

**Joy** · 07-05-2006, 05:38 PM

lol!

**Scrummy** · 07-05-2006, 05:45 PM

http://www.people.iup.edu/rdxm/ptest...yn3=Si&final=A

**XoX** · 07-05-2006, 07:04 PM

Ok one more test then I go watch some soccer...
http://www.people.iup.edu/rdxm/ptest...yn3=Si&final=A

and now..GO FRANCE!! I meant GO PORTUGAL!! Nah who cares as long as something interesting happens. Ok, I do hope Zidane plays well. It makes me feel younger.

**Hugo** · 07-05-2006, 09:27 PM

I have made a new edition of the test, which will be out soon.

**Zeia** · 07-07-2006, 04:54 PM

I got ENTp.

**Cone** · 07-07-2006, 07:06 PM

The test has been updated, folks, so that means that your old links won't work anymore.

**snegledmaca** · 07-07-2006, 07:17 PM

Got ENFp, changed one answer on the first page and got INFp. It was Se over Ne.

http://www.people.iup.edu/rdxm/ptest_results.htm?Type=1

**oyburger** · 07-07-2006, 07:31 PM

For the new version
Your proposed type is:
INTj

**aestrivex** · 07-07-2006, 08:31 PM

i think some of the questions are a little leading.

more importantly, i think that some of the questions are still not appropriate and are phrased as if the function were strong where this is not necessarily the case. i.e. i had to pick between having strong Fe and Fi, neither of which are strong. if a group (in this case NT) has already been established, then the questions differentiating between the weaker functions should display the weak functions rather than the strong ones. it would be easier to indicate that i have, for example, weaker Fe than Fi.

http://www.people.iup.edu/rdxm/ptest_results.htm?Type=2

**XoX** · 07-07-2006, 08:50 PM

I think the test is better now! Just it is hard to answer some of the questions that compare my weaker functions or otherwise very equal functions (maybe "I can't tell" option could be useful if it can be added without destroying the test)

Anyways I again get INTp as my "default" type.

By changing some answers...
* Se/Ne question was hard and if I change that then I get INTj
* Fi/Fe was another hard one and if I change that then I get ISTj
* If I change Fi/Fe and the answer to last ("dynamic") question I get ISTp
* If I change Se/Ne and Fi/Fe concurrently I get INTj again.

All possible options seem to be some IXTx type so there is consistency in that sense.

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