Alpha NT and No. - Absolute nothing is nothing.
Alpha SF and No. - Absolute nothing is nothing.
Alpha NT and Yes. - Absolute nothing is something.
Alpha SF and Yes. - Absolute nothing is something.
Beta NF and No. - Absolute nothing is nothing.
Beta ST and No. - Absolute nothing is nothing.
Beta NF and Yes. - Absolute nothing is something.
Beta ST and Yes. - Absolute nothing is something.
Gamma NT and No. - Absolute nothing is nothing.
Gamma SF and No. - Absolute nothing is nothing.
Gamma NT and Yes. - Absolute nothing is something.
Gamma SF and Yes. - Absolute nothing is something.
Delta NF and No. - Absolute nothing is nothing.
Delta ST and No. - Absolute nothing is nothing.
Delta NF and Yes. - Absolute nothing is something.
Delta ST and Yes. - Absolute nothing is something.
Good choice. Zizek is another of my favorite comedians.
Now explain this in a universe devoid of particles, space, waves, energy, puppies, suppertime, trekkie conventions, colors, or anything at all, let alone two anythings to be distinct or separate from one another.
Yeah, I just prefer to look at it as existence and non-existence being a team that together make the other possible. So basically my point is that nothing and something are just two different kinds of something.
I agree, it is possible that there was something before the big bang and not just nothing. If that's the case then all the big bang did was mix something and nothing into the big chaotic mess that is known as the universe or multiverse if there are a substantial amount of universes. So prior to the big bang, nothing and something were probably more distinct and divided. Also, nothing is something like that Alan Watts video posted by leckysupport suggests because the two need eachother to exist.
“We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand.” Randy Pausch
Ne-IEE
6w7 sp/sx
6w7-9w1-4w5
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
Who are any of us to say it has no hope of being demonstrated? Neanderthals never even knew the moon existed as anything more than a big globe in the sky; for one of them to contemplate being launched at it in a firey missile and landing delicately on its surface in a precision engineered metal robot would probably cause his or her brain to explode with the incomprehensibility of the experience. Never underestimate the shortcomings of your own knowledge and experience.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Nothing is a shade of beta Ti.
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
This is really a question about the mind body problem, and whether there is a god. From our minds perspective, it is impossible to comprehend nothing. There is duality in everything we see. Life is defined by death, positive negative, nothing by something. That is the consequence of the subject / object divide. But if you take a perspective outside of everything; from the eyes of God, the monistic view allows for self defined singularities; life is defined by life, nothing is nothing. It is at this level things are accepted by faith, and logic comes after. I side with that because it provides a basis for reality existing in the first place, and it makes structural sense that duality is secondary to singularity.
Also, things make sense as they match reality, but reality itself doesn't make sense; it just is. Balance is something the mind applies to reality. There are potential realities so far beyond the one we exist in.
Last edited by rat1; 03-04-2012 at 04:06 PM.
When yo momma does nothing all of your life, that is something.
I didn't read everyone's response to this thread by I don't believe in nothing. There is no such thing as nothing. Maybe something that seems like nothing but it's not actually nothing. It's always something.
Rat hits the nail on the head. As I stated in the the OP, my experience of corporeal Being prejudices my outlook and complicates my ability to conceptualize Non-Being. It's because our brains are part of our bodies and because we receive external information and process/act upon it in an embodied fashion that this problem exists at all. In fact when I make the attempt to visualize a reality of non-being (which I first undertook at age 5), or think of how our universe "actually is" absent our mental constructions of Space and Time, it gives rise to a strange pseudo-sensation of bodily warping and distortion to fit the contours of reality's "true" topology instead of the way we perceive it.
But can you now imagine something you don't believe to be real? I assume you can with griffons and dragons. If not an un-universe of nothing, why not? And if you can, is that nothing something?
Eh, I could argue either of these as being valid. We're examining an imaginary problem to begin with. Within our own universe such total nothingness seems impossible, because of the QM arguments pointed out earlier ("empty" space will always contain the possiblity of something) and by the sheer fact that space and time are still apparent properties of any vacuum we can create in our world, no matter how "pure" (because in our world we can only create a nothing relative to somethings, not an absolute nothing; it also requires an effort to maintain this relative nothingness, and the moment the mechanisms creating it fail, something rushes in to occupy that empty space). So from a more or less realistic (or Being-biased) standpoint it'd be necessary to merge or juggle the two positions you've outlined. Viewing the Ne/Si position, it also seems necessary for there to be someone in order to declare whether "constructs can be assumed to exist conceptually", which is also implicit in the idea of playing a godlike observer to a totality of nothingness so potential its properties, including thingness, can be ascertained. Otherwise we're stuck waiting for Nothingness to account for itself.
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Last edited by Korpsy Knievel; 03-05-2012 at 01:06 AM.
Nothing and zero are a few of my favorite things.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
get a life
I don't see how it could be possible to know this without having a proper ontological definition of a "thing". It seems to me that the conception that "nothing" is actually some thing is true only through semantics games. One thing I have noticed in myself recently is how biased I am, and I suppose it is generally true that one is inclined to believe that he believes is true... but the limitations of language make these things much more difficult, for though language is but a tool created by man, it remains something that cannot fulfill its purpose very well. I suspect that the primary source of intersubjective relativity is through language, even though those who have deluded themselves into believing reality is simple and saying man has the capacity to know everything would probably tell you differently. I know that reality as it is commonly understood is shaped within each man by his self, but I am once again coming to vague ideas which I have no words for, ideas which were there for a moment and then gone and have since evaded me for years.
I think that language is insufficient to describe reality in any real sense.
Last edited by nil; 03-05-2012 at 08:13 PM.
well language in itself is meaningless without a connection with another person.
Nothing is always something. Absolute "nothingness" however, is incomprehensible. Therefore it does not exist, at least not to us.
Last edited by Leader; 03-06-2012 at 12:53 AM.
If it has boundaries, then it's something. It's delineated, defined, an empty container if nothing else. To have no boundaries, would mean that it encompasses everything, which is clearly impossible.
nothing and something are both concepts as is everything. nothing in what context?
Nothing is Everything.
A single person wishes and has the *desire* that they can acquire every perspective, but the best they can do is strengthen their own. Nothing is narcisissm - but everything is narcissistic.
We want everything (especially women - sorry couldn't resist the jibe there) but then when we do that we ironically end up with NOTHING.
"People who want the whole world end up being their own worst enemies" - Xena, Warrior Princess.
So brave, so wise.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
If you're an Ne user, the answer to this question is yes.
<dog barking in the distance>
The thing is, "nothingness" is only an idea, because we exist in a self-contained "universe" that has things that inherently negate the idea of "total nothingness" in our minds; anything that would be "nothing" has an inherent relational quality to what we mentally refer to as things, putting it on the same sort of sliding scale and therefore implicitly sharing some qualities, which is logically absurd because "nothing" should have no qualities; it doesn't have anything else, does it? So it is kind of logically incomprehensible, just because of the way we are forced to frame it. But in the strictly theoretical sense, no, I don't think "nothing" is a "something" in any sense beyond what we have to make it into in order to put lines around it and make it "something" to talk about.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Ontological conditions are directly responsible for framing the nature of the experiential and speculative, so it is useful to understand them in both the personal and the cosmic sense. And if the means can be found to achieve both at once then all the better. I am not familiar with Tolle but from reading his wiki-p list of influences it sounds like he speaks my language.
The only real nothing is something you couldn't even talk about or imagine.
Damnit I'm saying it's still something tho
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
Mozart is dead.
Mozart never knew this moment in time would come.
Mozart never knew that you were playing his music.
Every single person who ever played his music will die.
Every single copy of his music will be destroyed by time.
Mozart is dead.
Mozart is dead.
Mozart is dead.
Socionics -
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Before the big bang there was nothing.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
Blah blah monist idealism blah blah blah Indian philosophy blah blah nirguṇa Brahman or "the impersonal Absolute Truth without any material qualities".
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being and non-being are united in becoming. - W.F. Hegel
in as far as the void possess some latent potential for turning into "something" it can be said to have a rudimentary form of something-ness to it.
He sure does, New Age mystical guru preaching anti-reason and at the same time "trying" to remain objective. Korpsey, meet your enlightened Tolle. Tolle meet enlightened Korpsey.
Best part is you reject Christianity but accept Buddhism and I'm sure it's okay in your book seeing a guy "who speaks your language" to utilise it, preach it and live by it.
Last edited by Absurd; 01-21-2013 at 10:38 AM.
Anyway, I'm not 100% sure about Tolle nor have read very substantial stuff on him to check myself, only thing I know do far is what I have bumped in myself when it comes to bits he wrote, not thinking about he is writing them at all. "Clever" fellow...
One thing is for sure, things on here are upside down.
So yes, there is nothing in the world except matter in motion and this motion must assume certain forms - each of you wouldn't be able to walk if it wasn't so - which brings one to Tolle's thoughts ideas are not real (no shit). More interesting is, he goes on how the world is an illusion. The material world, I take it.
1.Thoughts are not real,
2. World is an illusion, not real as well.
3. That would mean he doesn't exist in this plane.
Nothing is the absence of something.
No thing, is still a thing
Now this is a story all about how, my type got changed, turned upside down. Just wait for a minute and watch chatbox right there, & I'll tell how Gem became the moderator with blue hair.
In typology central friended and praised, on the picture thread was where she spent most her days. Chilling out, selfies, relaxing all cool, And all typing some people and getting them schooled.
When a couple of girls who were up to no good, Started annoying her & her friends in the forumhood, She got in one little flame war & got pissed off & said 'I'm moving in with that exboyfriend in the forum with the socionics toffs.
So Gem pulls up to the forum for a year without being a hater, And yells to typocentral 'Yo creeps! Smell Ya later', Became a mod in her kingdom she was finally there, To sit on her throne as the mod with blue hair.
InvisibruJim