New type test that goes by quadra!!!

[Cone]

rmcnew, have you ever heard of a test-making technique called "coupling"?

[Angel von Himmel]

rmcnew, have you ever heard of a test-making technique called "coupling"?

Vaguely ... what about it?

[Joy]

wtf?

http://socion.info/cgi-bin/NTEST.cgi...&function=post

[Angel von Himmel]

by the way, both of the questions that have to do with beta don't apply to it at all. MAYBE ISTjs, but definately not all of them. No other type in beta actually fits those questions in the slightest.

The only alternative is to add more questions, but when I start doing that people begin hating the test, lol.

[Joy]

help my with mine mcnew

it's a good idea

[Cone]

rmcnew, have you ever heard of a test-making technique called "coupling"?

Vaguely ... what about it?

Alot of times, personality test questions are too ambiguous to really make a choice about. Thus coupling allows the test maker to further specify what his intent really is. For example, your very first question has different meanings for me. Yes, I dislike emotional conflict, but I do enjoy non-serious conflict (e.g. I love competition.) So I could answer either way and still be right. Coupling takes the same question and adds a qualifier:

If TRUE, then ...

You add there specifically what you are trying to get across.

A value is given for each part of the question. Coupling is effective in testing for both a set of traits and a subset of those traits in one question. It might be important to both test for liking conflict in general and liking only a subset of conflict.

[Angel von Himmel]

rmcnew, have you ever heard of a test-making technique called "coupling"?

Vaguely ... what about it?

Alot of times, personality test questions are too ambiguous to really make a choice about. Thus coupling allows the test maker to further specify what his intent really is. For example, your very first question has different meanings for me. Yes, I dislike emotional conflict, but I do enjoy non-serious conflict (e.g. I love competition.) So I could answer either way and still be right. Coupling takes the same question and adds a qualifier:

If TRUE, then ...

You add there specifically what you are trying to get across.

A value is given for each part of the question. Coupling is effective in testing for both a set of traits and a subset of those traits in one question. It might be important to both test for liking conflict in general and liking only a subset of conflict.

Hmmm, I'll look into that ...

[Scrummy]

Oh crumble... http://socion.info/cgi-bin/NTEST.cgi...&function=post

Quadra: Gamma




Gamma Quadra Members: ENTj,INTp,ESFp,ISFj


Further information clarifies that you could be one of the above NT types

The following is debug information:
Alpha = +Ne,Fe,Ti,Si
Beta = +Se,Fe,Ti,Ni
Gamma = +Te,Ni,Se,Fi
Delta = +Te,Si,Ne,Fi



Q1 = 0 <- Alpha/Beta vs Delta/Gamma (1=Gamma/Delta,0=Beta/Gamma)

Q2 = 1 <- Alpha Quadra question (1=YES)

Q3 = 1 <- Alpha Quadra question (1=YES)

Q4 = -1 <- Beta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q5 = -1 <- Beta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q6 = -1 <- Gamma Quadra question (1=YES)

Q7 = <- Gamma Quadra question (1=YES)

Q8 = -1 <- Delta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q9 = -1 <- Delta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q10 = -1 <- Te vs Ti (1=Ti)

Q11 = 1 <- Fe vs Fi (1=Fi)

Q12 = 1 <- Ne vs Ni (1=Ni)

Q13 = -1 <- Se vs Si (1=Se)

Ne = 0

Ni = 1

Se = 0

Si = 1

Te = 1

Ti = 0

Fe = 0

Fi = 1

[Joy]

LOL

[implied]

http://socion.info/cgi-bin/NTEST.cgi...&function=post

?

[implied]

Alot of times, personality test questions are too ambiguous to really make a choice about. Thus coupling allows the test maker to further specify what his intent really is. For example, your very first question has different meanings for me. Yes, I dislike emotional conflict, but I do enjoy non-serious conflict (e.g. I love competition.) So I could answer either way and still be right. Coupling takes the same question and adds a qualifier:

is there no standard definition for the meaning of "conflict" without consulting the OED? competition and conflict seem to have pretty clear, distinct meanings in my head, but i suppose that's the problem with any sort of testing. culture-free tests are just as difficult to design, for the same reasons.

[Megan]

HI. I did not understand much except the fact that I am more likely to be within Gamma/Delta thatn within Betta/Gamma. If you make it more clear for not very intellectual people than It would be of more use. I am not sure how i suppose to analyse the result you need to include instructions of interpretaion of results more clearly. may be your test will help to determine the differnces within the types? Can you translate to me my results, please?

The following is debug information:
Alpha = +Ne,Fe,Ti,Si
Beta = +Se,Fe,Ti,Ni
Gamma = +Te,Ni,Se,Fi
Delta = +Te,Si,Ne,Fi



Q1 = 0 <- Alpha/Beta vs Delta/Gamma (1=Gamma/Delta,0=Beta/Gamma)

Q2 = 1 <- Alpha Quadra question (1=YES)

Q3 = -1 <- Alpha Quadra question (1=YES)

Q4 = -1 <- Beta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q5 = -1 <- Beta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q6 = -1 <- Gamma Quadra question (1=YES)

Q7 = -1 <- Gamma Quadra question (1=YES)

Q8 = -1 <- Delta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q9 = -1 <- Delta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q10 = -1 <- Te vs Ti (1=Ti)

Q11 = -1 <- Fe vs Fi (1=Fi)

Q12 = 1 <- Ne vs Ni (1=Ni)

Q13 = -1 <- Se vs Si (1=Se)

Ne = 0

Ni = 1

Se = 0

Si = 1

Te = 1

Ti = 0

Fe = 1

Fi = 0

[Expat]

http://socion.info/cgi-bin/NTEST.cgi...&function=post


Quadra: Gamma
Gamma Quadra Members: ENTj,INTp,ESFp,ISFj


Further information clarifies that you could be one of the above NT types

The following is debug information:
Alpha = +Ne,Fe,Ti,Si
Beta = +Se,Fe,Ti,Ni
Gamma = +Te,Ni,Se,Fi
Delta = +Te,Si,Ne,Fi



Q1 = 1 <- Alpha/Beta vs Delta/Gamma (1=Gamma/Delta,0=Beta/Gamma)

Q2 = -1 <- Alpha Quadra question (1=YES)

Q3 = -1 <- Alpha Quadra question (1=YES)

Q4 = -1 <- Beta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q5 = 1 <- Beta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q6 = 1 <- Gamma Quadra question (1=YES)

Q7 = 1 <- Gamma Quadra question (1=YES)

Q8 = -1 <- Delta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q9 = -1 <- Delta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q10 = -1 <- Te vs Ti (1=Ti)

Q11 = 1 <- Fe vs Fi (1=Fi)

Q12 = 1 <- Ne vs Ni (1=Ni)

Q13 = -1 <- Se vs Si (1=Se)

Ne = 0

Ni = 1

Se = 0

Si = 1

Te = 1

Ti = 0

Fe = 0

Fi = 1


End debug info

[Creepy-]

Quadra: Alpha




Alpha Quadra Members: ENTp,INTj,ESFj,ISFp


Further information clarifies that you could be one of the above NT types

The following is debug information:
Alpha = +Ne,Fe,Ti,Si
Beta = +Se,Fe,Ti,Ni
Gamma = +Te,Ni,Se,Fi
Delta = +Te,Si,Ne,Fi



Q1 = 1 <- Alpha/Beta vs Delta/Gamma (1=Gamma/Delta,0=Beta/Gamma)

Q2 = 1 <- Alpha Quadra question (1=YES)

Q3 = 1 <- Alpha Quadra question (1=YES)

Q4 = -1 <- Beta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q5 = 1 <- Beta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q6 = 1 <- Gamma Quadra question (1=YES)

Q7 = 1 <- Gamma Quadra question (1=YES)

Q8 = 1 <- Delta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q9 = 1 <- Delta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q10 = 1 <- Te vs Ti (1=Ti)

Q11 = 1 <- Fe vs Fi (1=Fi)

Q12 = -1 <- Ne vs Ni (1=Ni)

Q13 = -1 <- Se vs Si (1=Se)

Ne = 1

Ni = 0

Se = 0

Si = 1

Te = 0

Ti = 1

Fe = 0

Fi = 1


End debug info

...... that was a strange test

[Cone]

is there no standard definition for the meaning of "conflict" without consulting the OED? competition and conflict seem to have pretty clear, distinct meanings in my head, but i suppose that's the problem with any sort of testing. culture-free tests are just as difficult to design, for the same reasons.

Yeah, some of us like to imagine a million meanings for one question and make tests more involved than they actually are.

[Joy]

yeah, that's what I do

[FDG]

I scored DELTA QUADRA.

Delta Quadra Members: ESTj,ISTp,ENFp,INFj


Further information clarifies that you could be one of the above ST types

The following is debug information:
Alpha = +Ne,Fe,Ti,Si
Beta = +Se,Fe,Ti,Ni
Gamma = +Te,Ni,Se,Fi
Delta = +Te,Si,Ne,Fi



Q1 = 0 <- Alpha/Beta vs Delta/Gamma (1=Gamma/Delta,0=Beta/Gamma)

Q2 = -1 <- Alpha Quadra question (1=YES)

Q3 = -1 <- Alpha Quadra question (1=YES)

Q4 = 1 <- Beta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q5 = 1 <- Beta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q6 = 1 <- Gamma Quadra question (1=YES)

Q7 = 1 <- Gamma Quadra question (1=YES)

Q8 = -1 <- Delta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q9 = 1 <- Delta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q10 = -1 <- Te vs Ti (1=Ti)

Q11 = -1 <- Fe vs Fi (1=Fi)

Q12 = -1 <- Ne vs Ni (1=Ni)

Q13 = -1 <- Se vs Si (1=Se)

Ne = 1

Ni = 0

Se = 0

Si = 1

Te = 1

Ti = 0

Fe = 1

Fi = 0


End debug info

[Kristiina]

I scored alpha! seems like I'm the least similar to beta.

http://socion.info/cgi-bin/NTEST.cgi...&function=post

Q1 = 1 <- Alpha/Beta vs Delta/Gamma (1=Gamma/Delta,0=Beta/Gamma)
Q2 = -1 <- Alpha Quadra question (1=YES)
Q3 = 1 <- Alpha Quadra question (1=YES)
Q4 = -1 <- Beta Quadra question (1=YES)
Q5 = -1 <- Beta Quadra question (1=YES)
Q6 = 1 <- Gamma Quadra question (1=YES)
Q7 = -1 <- Gamma Quadra question (1=YES)
Q8 = -1 <- Delta Quadra question (1=YES)
Q9 = 1 <- Delta Quadra question (1=YES)
Q10 = 1 <- Te vs Ti (1=Ti)
Q11 = 1 <- Fe vs Fi (1=Fi)
Q12 = 1 <- Ne vs Ni (1=Ni)
Q13 = -1 <- Se vs Si (1=Se)

Ne = 0
Ni = 1
Se = 0
Si = 1
Te = 0
Ti = 1
Fe = 0
Fi = 1

[anndelise]

*gets all happy and smiley to see rmcnew doing his tests again*

[felafel]

I scored DELTA QUADRA.

Delta Quadra Members: ESTj,ISTp,ENFp,INFj


Further information clarifies that you could be one of the above ST types

The following is debug information:
Alpha = +Ne,Fe,Ti,Si
Beta = +Se,Fe,Ti,Ni
Gamma = +Te,Ni,Se,Fi
Delta = +Te,Si,Ne,Fi



Q1 = 0 <- Alpha/Beta vs Delta/Gamma (1=Gamma/Delta,0=Beta/Gamma)

Q2 = -1 <- Alpha Quadra question (1=YES)

Q3 = -1 <- Alpha Quadra question (1=YES)

Q4 = 1 <- Beta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q5 = 1 <- Beta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q6 = 1 <- Gamma Quadra question (1=YES)

Q7 = 1 <- Gamma Quadra question (1=YES)

Q8 = -1 <- Delta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q9 = 1 <- Delta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q10 = -1 <- Te vs Ti (1=Ti)

Q11 = -1 <- Fe vs Fi (1=Fi)

Q12 = -1 <- Ne vs Ni (1=Ni)

Q13 = -1 <- Se vs Si (1=Se)

Ne = 1

Ni = 0

Se = 0

Si = 1

Te = 1

Ti = 0

Fe = 1

Fi = 0


End debug info

you've often sounded estj to me

[Expat]

The questions for differentiating and are not good, that is a source of the confusion. types would be inclined to prefer and types, according to the phrasing.

I think the idea of a test based on quadras is excellent, but the questions themselves must be improved.

[Angel von Himmel]

The questions for differentiating and are not good, that is a source of the confusion. types would be inclined to prefer and types, according to the phrasing.

I think the idea of a test based on quadras is excellent, but the questions themselves must be improved.

Yeah, I am doing a major rewrite and will be adding 20 more questions or so. Hopefully that will help clarify some things.

[felafel]

strange...
and i agree with the comment above. and more questions would also be helpful.

Quadra: Gamma
Gamma Quadra Members: ENTj,INTp,ESFp,ISFj

Further information clarifies that you could be one of the above SF types

The following is debug information:
Alpha = +Ne,Fe,Ti,Si
Beta = +Se,Fe,Ti,Ni
Gamma = +Te,Ni,Se,Fi
Delta = +Te,Si,Ne,Fi



Q1 = -1 <- Alpha/Beta vs Delta/Gamma (1=Gamma/Delta,0=Beta/Gamma)

Q2 = 1 <- Alpha Quadra question (1=YES)

Q3 = 1 <- Alpha Quadra question (1=YES)

Q4 = -1 <- Beta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q5 = -1 <- Beta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q6 = -1 <- Gamma Quadra question (1=YES)

Q7 = 1 <- Gamma Quadra question (1=YES)

Q8 = -1 <- Delta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q9 = <- Delta Quadra question (1=YES)

Q10 = -1 <- Te vs Ti (1=Ti)

Q11 = 1 <- Fe vs Fi (1=Fi)

Q12 = -1 <- Ne vs Ni (1=Ni)

Q13 = 1 <- Se vs Si (1=Se)

Ne = 1

Ni = 0

Se = 1

Si = 0

Te = 1

Ti = 0

Fe = 0

Fi = 1


End debug info

[Angel von Himmel]

Can you translate to me my results, please?

Looks like a toss-up between Alpha and Gamma.

[Raver]

The questions for differentiating and are not good, that is a source of the confusion. types would be inclined to prefer and types, according to the phrasing.

I think the idea of a test based on quadras is excellent, but the questions themselves must be improved.

I agree with Expat and find the right balance of number of questions. Too much will cause loss of interest and too little will produce inaccurate results. Maybe somewhere between 25 to 50 questions would work.

P.S. Expat, I like how you are now using your old avatar.

[Joy]

For the record, I agree with expat. but just because I'm amused...

okay fine. keep in mind that for most of these, I'm merely saying that the type I listed is, imo, at least as likely as the type they claim. I refuse to argue.

gilligan: INFp
Kristiina: ISFp (Se as a 7th function... and people who know about socionics and know her irl typed her as ISFp)
FDG: ESTj
Benny: ESTp
Ashton: ESTp
Catholic Schoolboy: INxp
mcnew: ENFp or IxFp
discojoe: ISFj
Implied: ESFp or ENTj (lots and lots of pics with friends)
Jadae: delta NF
transigent: ISFj
pedro the lion: ISFj??? (only because he reminds me of transigent somehow)
Aleesha: INTp
hugo: ISTj
dioklecian: ISTj
chibikeba: INFp

I know it doesn't actually mean anything... but...

Delta Quadra Members: ESTj,ISTp,ENFp,INFj


lol...

zomg i am beta

I scored DELTA QUADRA.

Delta Quadra Members: ESTj,ISTp,ENFp,INFj


Further information clarifies that you could be one of the above ST types

I scored alpha!

where are your results mcnew?


:wink:

[dreamer]

GAMMA???

I'm taking it again...

GAMMAAAA???

Either I'm doing something wrong or the test is inaccurate.

[Gronau]

Gamma Quadra Members: ENTj,INTp,ESFp,ISFj

Further information clarifies that you could be one of the above SF types

SF? What´s going on?

[Olga]

I would be very happy to know that I am not alone here !
ISFJs, stop hiding, come and join me in pastel and pinky-yellow shades!

@Rmcnew, I think you may be on the right truct I do have a good feeling and potential. But I do hate too long tests, make it short and smart. You probably could do it very short to start with because i believe there should be very clear differences between quadras in a way there are clear differences between functions. If the person is clearly in Gamma, make step 2 test to identify the type. If the person is a tossa, prepare the step to clarify the dominance of a quadra and then to common step to identify the type within quadra. Take as much time as you need.

I wonder what description/general points of quadras you have in mind when you do your test? Or may be interaction between the quadras? What info do you use, may be a link?

[Joy]

I would be very happy to know that I am not alone here !
ISFJs, stop hiding, come and join me in pastel and pinky-yellow shades!

while I can asure you that you are not alone... I cannot imagine a male ISFj being all about the pastels and pinky-yellow

[Joy]

Peter wears dark colored button down collared shirts and khaki pants most of the time.

[Angel von Himmel]

Same link - 18 questions now instead of 12.

http://socion.info/QUADRA.html

My own results:

http://socion.info/cgi-bin/NTEST.cgi...&function=post

[Angel von Himmel]

I rewote the test and made a new thread ... reply there please.

http://the16types.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4566

[Angel von Himmel]

Ohh yeah ... and please post the results link if you have problems so I know which answers you choose!

[Raver]

Not bad. Delta NF.

http://socion.info/cgi-bin/NTEST.cgi...&function=post

#13-18 was a little strange though, however it's a good premise perhaps if you used more terminology it would work better.

[oyburger]

Got the same results as before

Quadra: Alpha


Alpha Quadra Members: ENTp,INTj,ESFj,ISFp


Further information clarifies that you could be one of the above NT types.

[Joy]

http://socion.info/cgi-bin/NTEST.cgi...&function=post

Quadra: Gamma

Gamma Quadra Members: ENTj,INTp,ESFp,ISFj


Further information clarifies that you could be one of the above NT types.

15 and 18 were tough for me to answer. I went back and changed the answer to 15, then 18, then both 15 and 18, and still got gamma NT every time.

[Angel von Himmel]

#13-18 was a little strange though, however it's a good premise perhaps if you used more terminology it would work better.

I added that section to cut down on manipulation attempts by those who know the functions ... it keeps people on edge as to what they would get

[Kristiina]

Further information clarifies that you could be one of the above
http://socion.info/cgi-bin/NTEST.cgi...&function=post

[Angel von Himmel]

Further information clarifies that you could be one of the above
http://socion.info/cgi-bin/NTEST.cgi...&function=post

It is because you tied on two quadra and did not calculate the information.

http://socion.info/cgi-bin/NTEST.cgi...n=post&debug=1

I need to make a tie-breaker question for when that happens I suppose :/