Typing me

[woofwoofl]

The only system that I know of that has as the HA of Ne-LII is Model X. No Model A type has both HA and PoLR... though... I think Model X's Ti-ILE did? In summary, what are you talking about?

Edit: My suggestion for her type: SEI. EII second. That's based on the first page of this thread only.

Right idea, wrong word damn three hours of sleep haha

Fe DS is what I meant to say...

[Brilliand]

Right idea, wrong word damn three hours of sleep haha

Fe DS is what I meant to say...

Now that you mention it, I do see much evidence for PoLR. "Always there for the family--but too overprotective." tends more toward EII (or Feeling in general), but there is much evidence for .

[woofwoofl]

Now that you mention it, I do see much evidence for PoLR. "Always there for the family--but too overprotective." tends more toward EII (or Feeling in general), but there is much evidence for .

Yes as for Feeling/Ethics? I see them, though the "which" and "where" I want to choose for them are Fe and Super-Id respectively; all of this focus on cheering people up and making them laugh, focusing moreso on the general mood than anything person-specific? Makes me want to go valued Fe > Fi...

For whatever it counts, one of the most animated people I knew, given the circumstances to allow for it, was an Ne-LII, and yes, he reminded me a lot of Yaaroslav, both in humor and bodily movements...

[Creepy-Snaps]

Just saw this thread now. I say Ne-INFj. What's clear to me is definitely Ne ego.

[AimfortheBrain]

im so conflicted now.

[mu4]

Okay, well. This is something I once wrote trying to get people to figure out my MBTI type:

I was thinking that maybe a good way to help type me would be to explain how others in my life see me, so I'm going to list some of the comments/remarks that I have heard people have say about me over the years. Some of these remarks actually made me feel bad about myself when I heard them, but they are probably true nonetheless.

Sits in her room watching tv, going on the internet, playing video games alot
Has a good but weird sense of humor
Really good grades and never gets in trouble
Always there for the family--but too overprotective.
Is quietly judgemental
Always wants to learn about something strange or useless
Can be blunt, but may not realize it
Acts much more carefree around the family than anyone else.
Likes to work on her own.
Modest about how she dresses.
Doesn't like to be told what to do.
Doesn't take enough risks--holds herself back too much--worries too much


According to my sister I am "weird, analyzing, judgemental, and paranoid." She also says that I'm too sensitive. Everyone seems to think that I always think people are out to get me.
One of my friends says "I seem really vanilla but I'm actually not." and another says that "I have personal space issues." She also said that I'm harsh because I don't sugarcoat and lie to her.


Again, I'm not proud of some of these descriptions, but those are some of the ways my friends and family have described me.

IJ something, maybe EII/ESI

[Beautiful sky]

I don't type her EII because EII don't come up with methods of doing things; she's basically saying "a good way for you to do something is for me to do this" EII don't come up with methods and that is a method or a way of solving a problem. I can see those who are dynamic types doing that and maybe even strategic types.

EII would say, "this is the way I am" as a static depiction of themselves; like presenting a portrait and telling people what's in that portrait.

[Beautiful sky]

Ok, I'm ready to give you your type, but first, for exercise and awareness purposes, I want to go through this thread with you. First, I would like you to go back to your very first post in this thread and please reread what you wrote in it. I'm looking for the following information;

1. What is your orientation, introvert or extravert.
2. What functions do you observe? is what I observe primarily and that comes from you saying "I don't want to put up a picture because that makes me feel uncomfortable." The sensory data is putting up pictures, because pictures are visible to sense perception, to people looking at them and your reaction to that sense perception is changing your internal state (aka making you feel uncomfortable). This would be the qualities of subjective experience.
3. What is your behavior? What is your relation to other? What/who do you react to both positively and negatively? What are your typical characteristics?

You can generally make yourself out by following some of these guides.

[Brilliand]

I don't type her EII because EII don't come up with methods of doing things; she's basically saying "a good way for you to do something is for me to do this" EII don't come up with methods and that is a method or a way of solving a problem. I can see those who are dynamic types doing that and maybe even strategic types.

EII is a strategic type.

[Beautiful sky]

EII is a strategic type.

This is a dynamic person

[AimfortheBrain]

Ok, I'm ready to give you your type, but first, for exercise and awareness purposes, I want to go through this thread with you. First, I would like you to go back to your very first post in this thread and please reread what you wrote in it. I'm looking for the following information;

1. What is your orientation, introvert or extravert.
2. What functions do you observe? is what I observe primarily and that comes from you saying "I don't want to put up a picture because that makes me feel uncomfortable." The sensory data is putting up pictures, because pictures are visible to sense perception, to people looking at them and your reaction to that sense perception is changing your internal state (aka making you feel uncomfortable). This would be the qualities of subjective experience.
3. What is your behavior? What is your relation to other? What/who do you react to both positively and negatively? What are your typical characteristics?

You can generally make yourself out by following some of these guides.

1. I'm kind of 50/50.
2. Well, I don't want to put my picture up because of creepy people on the internet, and I'd rather not put too many pictures of myself up. I don't know what functions I use actually.
3. What is your behavior? What is your relation to other? What/who do you react to both positively and negativelyWhat are your typical characteristics??--these questions are way too broad to answer.

[Creepy-Snaps]

I don't type her EII because EII don't come up with methods of doing things;

No, you don't type her EII because you don't type any girl EII, ever. Because you're biased and you want to be special, to be the only EII on the forum.

[Beautiful sky]

No, you don't type her EII because you don't type any girl EII, ever. Because you're biased and you want to be special, to be the only EII on the forum.

Then, how can she use dynamic reactions?

[Beautiful sky]

1. I'm kind of 50/50.

Ok.

How do you feel when you're in a crowd of individuals; picturing yourself in one, what happens to you?

2. Well, I don't want to put my picture up because of creepy people on the internet, and I'd rather not put too many pictures of myself up. I don't know what functions I use actually.

Ok. Is this because you are unfamiliar with the functions?

3. What is your behavior? What is your relation to other? What/who do you react to both positively and negativelyWhat are your typical characteristics??--these questions are way too broad to answer.

In that first post, how do you come off to other? You don't joke around, I take this to mean you're a serious type. You seem a bit serious, but at the same time, you don't mind disclosing certain intimate things about yourself, like you get into ruts, "I'm not proud of some of these descriptions." Though you're concerned about how some of the things you've posted make you seem, nevertheless you've posted them for typing. I still find it fascinating that you wanted to find "the best way" for you to be typed. You don't try to influence anyones emotions here.

I am 100% on Dynamic and serious type. That you need specific situations to answer and apply your response to tells me that broad things present too many factors for you to consider in answering a question.

I confirm your type is LSE.

[AimfortheBrain]

Ok.

How do you feel when you're in a crowd of individuals; picturing yourself in one, what happens to you?

When I'm in a crowd, I spend a lot of time looking around at all the different kinds of people. I'm very aware of people being too close or looking suspicious. If the crowd is too rowdy or obnoxious then I try to get away from it. I don't mind being in crowds as long as I feel safe and secure basically.

Ok. Is this because you are unfamiliar with the functions?

I'm fairly new to socionics, so I'm not entirely familiar with the functions. I know more about the MBTI functions though. Either way, I have a really hard time figuring out which ones I use and which ones I don't.

In that first post, how do you come off to other? You don't joke around, I take this to mean you're a serious type. You seem a bit serious, but at the same time, you don't mind disclosing certain intimate things about yourself, like you get into ruts, "I'm not proud of some of these descriptions." Though you're concerned about how some of the things you've posted make you seem, nevertheless you've posted them for typing. I still find it fascinating that you wanted to find "the best way" for you to be typed. You don't try to influence anyones emotions here.

I am 100% on Dynamic and serious type. That you need specific situations to answer and apply your response to tells me that broad things present too many factors for you to consider in answering a question.

I confirm your type is LSE.

Well, I made this thread with the purpose of being typed, so I wanted to find the best way to get that done. I also know that its extremely difficult to accurately type someone without getting to know them in person, so I wanted to see what information would be most valuable in figuring that out.I guess that makes me come off as serious. I've been told that I'm serious before, but I've also been told that I'm very silly as well. I'm not just one thing all the time. I made this thread with a purpose so I was trying to follow through on that purpose. Thats also why I got annoyed when a couple people started invading my thread just to curse at eachother. If I knew those people or if they were helping to type me then I wouldn't have been annoyed, but it seemed like that one guy Absurd randomly chose my thread to start saying all kinds of nonsense.

I'll look into LSE some more.

[Beautiful sky]

Your reaction to the way you are in a crowd affirms you being Extraverted type; compare that to myself, when I am in a crowd, I feel a resistance towards it; I have to get away and daydream another situation, one that exists in my mind, like a fantasy; I often don't notice anyone except for close friends and family and I can't scan the situation to notice what's happening; I often feel lonely and lost because I find that everyone is paying attention to something that's happening and not me and no one's there to "embrace" and comfort me.

There are many personalities in forums as there are in real life; many LSE choose in real life, as they do on forums, to ignore people and shut them out because they can't find any real use/advantage to continuing to heed certain people. You can imagine that, being a humanist, I would ask you to skim over those who are not of particular and immediate help because there is potential in every person; it may be also, that Absurd may have been "testing" you in his own way. Your reaction to him may have given him a sense (he is a sensory perceptual) of what kind of character/person you are.

Keep things in an open mind and you'll not only learn to enjoy life and people more, shut them out less often, and actually may find humor in what people have to offer, even if it's not the kind you're looking for.

That's just my regular dual speech.

Oh, since you're great at organizing other people's stuff....ummmmm...... I need some of that

[AimfortheBrain]

Your reaction to the way you are in a crowd affirms you being Extraverted type; compare that to myself, when I am in a crowd, I feel a resistance towards it; I have to get away and daydream another situation, one that exists in my mind, like a fantasy; I often don't notice anyone except for close friends and family and I can't scan the situation to notice what's happening; I often feel lonely and lost because I find that everyone is paying attention to something that's happening and not me and no one's there to "embrace" and comfort me.

There are many personalities in forums as there are in real life; many LSE choose in real life, as they do on forums, to ignore people and shut them out because they can't find any real use/advantage to continuing to heed certain people. You can imagine that, being a humanist, I would ask you to skim over those who are not of particular and immediate help because there is potential in every person; it may be also, that Absurd may have been "testing" you in his own way. Your reaction to him may have given him a sense (he is a sensory perceptual) of what kind of character/person you are.

Keep things in an open mind and you'll not only learn to enjoy life and people more, shut them out less often, and actually may find humor in what people have to offer, even if it's not the kind you're looking for.

That's just my regular dual speech.

Oh, since you're great at organizing other people's stuff....ummmmm...... I need some of that

I mean, I only shut out one guy who was being nothing but a menace. I don't like that you assume that I shut people out and need to enjoy life and people more.

Also, I relate very well to the whole fantasy thing you were talking about. I often escape to a fantasy world as well. But I'm very suspicious of people so when I'm in crowds, I still notice who is trustworthy and who isn't. I aware, maybe even hyper-aware, of what could possibly go wrong in most situations.

[Beautiful sky]

I mean, I only shut out one guy who was being nothing but a menace. I don't like that you assume that I shut people out and need to enjoy life and people more.

Also, I relate very well to the whole fantasy thing you were talking about. I often escape to a fantasy world as well. But I'm very suspicious of people so when I'm in crowds, I still notice who is trustworthy and who isn't. I aware, maybe even hyper-aware, of what could possibly go wrong in most situations.

I think I was just thinking too far ahead...like assuming that one guy shut out will eventually mean more people. I apologize for getting ahead of myself or external circumstances - this is probably another reason why I'm an introvert; things make sense to me, subjectively, but aren't what they are in the real and objective world, even though to an introvert, what they think and assume is often objective to them.

Being suspicious of people isn't introverting; looking out to see who is trustworthy or not is also not introversion. What you wrote about how you are in a crowd is extraversion. Extraverts tend to drift around the room, observe the happenings of the situation. Introverts escape from the situation because external stimulus wears them out.

I don't scan a crowd, looking at all the different kinds of people. A lot of people and information escapes me because I'm thinking about the life inside my mind.

[Beautiful sky]

Yeah, LSE like concrete plans and they are very decisive; I doubt you are LSE. I'm adding you to my list as an EIE. You work by priorities, it seems; the way I know this is because you like things to be up in the air and for you to choose which one to work on; this is common for people who work with Se type of energy as opposed to Si, which is conserving energy rather than broadening.

You can see that I like to toss types around to get into conversations.

[Brilliand]

Your reaction to the way you are in a crowd affirms you being Extraverted type

What? Curiosity, followed by suspicion and possibly withdrawal? How is that extraverted? You contrast it with (figurative) claustrophobia, which is more extreme, but I don't think that it's common enough to account for all introverts. It applies to my sister (who is self-typed LSE, actually), but not to me, for instance.

[Beautiful sky]

What? Curiosity, followed by suspicion and possibly withdrawal? How is that extraverted? You contrast it with (figurative) claustrophobia, which is more extreme, but I don't think that it's common enough to account for all introverts. It applies to my sister (who is self-typed LSE, actually), but not to me, for instance.

It's extravert because this person

1. Spends time looking around at all the different kinds of people. Energy is not flowing inwards it is actually going outwards. "I spend a lot of time looking around at all the different kinds of people."

2. Just being around people and observing them instead of his or her inner thoughts and emotions is being an extravert. "I'm very aware of people being too close or looking suspicious."

3. Anyone could potentially want to avoid rowdy and obnoxious crowds; that's not a trait of E/I. "If the crowd is too rowdy or obnoxious then I try to get away from it."

4. The question is what is a "safe" and "secure" feeling or what things give that feeling? "I don't mind being in crowds as long as I feel safe and secure basically."

[Brilliand]

It's extravert because this person

1. Spends time looking around at all the different kinds of people. Energy is not flowing inwards it is actually going outwards. "I spend a lot of time looking around at all the different kinds of people."

Introverts can do that too. If being in a crowd is a relatively rare event, it wouldn't be surprising for her to always do something somewhat extroverted for the occasion.

2. Just being around people and observing them instead of his or her inner thoughts and emotions is being an extravert. "I'm very aware of people being too close or looking suspicious."

Being around people may not be intentional, or an end in itself; sometimes it's necessary. Introverts have to interact with the outside world to survive.

3. Anyone could potentially want to avoid rowdy and obnoxious crowds; that's not a trait of E/I. "If the crowd is too rowdy or obnoxious then I try to get away from it."

Of course too much is always a bad thing, but an introvert would come to that point more quickly.

4. The question is what is a "safe" and "secure" feeling or what things give that feeling? "I don't mind being in crowds as long as I feel safe and secure basically."

I doubt that the answer to that question would be useful... it's all too easy to learn arbitrary fear/calm reactions that have nothing to do with personality.

[Beautiful sky]

I I aware, maybe even hyper-aware, of what could possibly go wrong in most situations.

So would you say that you're more of a negativist type rather than a positivist?

[Beautiful sky]

Introverts can do that too. If being in a crowd is a relatively rare event, it wouldn't be surprising for her to always do something somewhat extroverted for the occasion.

I doubt, as it is true in my case, that I'm interested in looking out and viewing all the different kinds of people. I'm more in my head, fantasy, emotions, judgments to notice the things around me.

is engaged with separating moral values
types are engaged with separating thoughts
types are engaged with viewing possible morphology of events
types are engaged with their internal interpretation of the object

ummmm.....I doubt that they are so busy looking at who they can trust.

[Brilliand]

I doubt, as it is true in my case, that I'm interested in looking out and viewing all the different kinds of people. I'm more in my head, fantasy, emotions, judgments to notice the things around me.

is engaged with separating moral values
types are engaged with separating thoughts
types are engaged with viewing possible morphology of events
types are engaged with their internal interpretation of the object

ummmm.....I doubt that they are so busy looking at who they can trust.

Introvert still has the creative function. I think is nicely suited for viewing all the different kinds of people.

[Beautiful sky]

Introvert still has the creative function. I think is nicely suited for viewing all the different kinds of people.

But does not judge; it sees the different kinds of people, but this person is judging according to who is "trustworthy" or not which is external

[AimfortheBrain]

So would you say that you're more of a negativist type rather than a positivist?

What do you mean? Sorry, I don't know what negativist and positivist mean.

[Beautiful sky]

What do you mean? Sorry, I don't know what negativist and positivist mean.

negativist sees the cup half empty
positivist sees it half full

[AimfortheBrain]

negativist sees the cup half empty
positivist sees it half full

oh, okay. like optimism and pessimism. i'm kind of a realist with a little optimism sprinkled on top. i get annoyed with people who think the glass is half empty. the glass is half full and unless you are in a bad mood or just trying to ruin everything for everyone, there is no reason to keep pointing out that the glass is half empty.

[Beautiful sky]

oh, okay. like optimism and pessimism. i'm kind of a realist with a little optimism sprinkled on top. i get annoyed with people who think the glass is half empty. the glass is half full and unless you are in a bad mood or just trying to ruin everything for everyone, there is no reason to keep pointing out that the glass is half empty.

Then why in a given situation do you have to size up whether people are trustworthy or not; I'm an institute emotional type and I go by my reactions to how I feel about people rather that seeing what they are doing. I think you rely on seeing what they are doing to gain that "trust."
A purly negativist type is likely to just distrust people until proven otherwise; they just assume, that in a crowd, they are all trustworthy until they prove otherwise. You have this mix of both. You're optimistic yet you're suspicious, and you have a tingle of not being fully positivist mixed in with that whole thing. I think, overall, some kind of Fe type is a good fit for you. SEI, EIE, but I don't see and

"when I'm in crowds, I still notice who is trustworthy and who isn't. I aware, maybe even hyper-aware, of what could possibly go wrong in most situations."

Sometimes, people who are aware of Te (the how things could play out in the algorithmic sense), especially those who have that function in their conscious block act like that; they keep in mind all the things that can possibly go wrong; this is because that function wants to be ready for anything that can happen, to make a plan for them; I'm not saying that I think this is a base function for you, but I'm just explaining how some of this stuff works.

I'm curious to learn, why is your user name a verb? Aim is a verb and not necessarily a noun. I have noticed that some users have nouns and adjectives as names etc... I've never typed a user who had a verb for a name. Makes you special.

[Brilliand]

But does not judge; it sees the different kinds of people, but this person is judging according to who is "trustworthy" or not which is external

I think you've made a poor choice of words. I would tend to think of judging whether someone is "trustworthy" as static, and hence ; however, that's not what AimfortheBrain said:

When I'm in a crowd, I spend a lot of time looking around at all the different kinds of people. I'm very aware of people being too close or looking suspicious. If the crowd is too rowdy or obnoxious then I try to get away from it. I don't mind being in crowds as long as I feel safe and secure basically.

"Looking suspicious" isn't the same thing as "being untrustworthy". I'd call that or (depending on whether being suspicious is seen as a lasting feature of the person or just something that they're doing). People being too close probably fits best under .

the glass is half full and unless you are in a bad mood or just trying to ruin everything for everyone, there is no reason to keep pointing out that the glass is half empty.

This quote does fit rather well with ESE. Specifically, it sounds like the complaint that ESEs stereotypically have against ILIs.

Then why in a given situation do you have to size up whether people are trustworthy or not; I'm an institute emotional type and I go by my reactions to how I feel about people rather that seeing what they are doing. I think you rely on seeing what they are doing to gain that "trust."
A purly negativist type is likely to just distrust people until proven otherwise; they just assume, that in a crowd, they are all trustworthy until they prove otherwise. You have this mix of both. You're optimistic yet you're suspicious, and you have a tingle of not being fully positivist mixed in with that whole thing.

This might be a good time to note that Positivist/Negativist is not the same thing as Optimist/Pessimist. Positivist/Negativist says more about what you pay attention to than about whether you're happy or sad; a negativist notices problems (and might be inclined to fix them), whereas a positivist notices good things (and might be inclined to bring out their full potential).

[Beautiful sky]

does not judge trust worthiness of others. Fi judges the internal statics of things...feelings, other people's feelings, tries to interpret them.

[AimfortheBrain]

Then why in a given situation do you have to size up whether people are trustworthy or not; I'm an institute emotional type and I go by my reactions to how I feel about people rather that seeing what they are doing. I think you rely on seeing what they are doing to gain that "trust."
A purly negativist type is likely to just distrust people until proven otherwise; they just assume, that in a crowd, they are all trustworthy until they prove otherwise. You have this mix of both. You're optimistic yet you're suspicious, and you have a tingle of not being fully positivist mixed in with that whole thing. I think, overall, some kind of Fe type is a good fit for you. SEI, EIE, but I don't see and

"when I'm in crowds, I still notice who is trustworthy and who isn't. I aware, maybe even hyper-aware, of what could possibly go wrong in most situations."

Sometimes, people who are aware of Te (the how things could play out in the algorithmic sense), especially those who have that function in their conscious block act like that; they keep in mind all the things that can possibly go wrong; this is because that function wants to be ready for anything that can happen, to make a plan for them; I'm not saying that I think this is a base function for you, but I'm just explaining how some of this stuff works.

I'm curious to learn, why is your user name a verb? Aim is a verb and not necessarily a noun. I have noticed that some users have nouns and adjectives as names etc... I've never typed a user who had a verb for a name. Makes you special.

Well, I don't think being optimistic means you should be blind to things and people that could go wrong. I like to be protective over myself. I am usually aware of everything that could go wrong and I do like to be prepared for it. As long as I feel like I can handle a situation, then I don't feel threatened. I guess a better way to describe it would be that I notice who and what could be a problem, and assess whether or not I can handle it. I don't think that's pessimism, especially since most things in my daily life can be handled easily.

I really like my username. I don't know why it's a verb, but I quite like it when I think about it. The main reason I picked it is because I'm really into zombie stuff right now, but I also like it because it could have other meanings. It could mean something deeper if you wanted to interpret it that way, or it could just be about liking zombies. I thought it was clever and catchy. I think it fits my personality well too.

edit: maybe I should add this. when it comes down to it, theres not a lot in life that i feel like i'm incapable of handling. i think this leads to me being optimistic. when i realize that i can't do something or can't fix something, then i feel very pessimistic, sometimes even hopeless.

[AimfortheBrain]

If it makes any difference, the MBTI tests keep telling me I'm one of the SJs, or sometimes an ENFJ or INFJ.

[Beautiful sky]

What is some things people around you accuse you of being/doing?

[AimfortheBrain]

What is some things people around you accuse you of being/doing?

I think I listed that in one of my first posts. Let me see if I can find it...

Here you go:

Sits in her room watching tv, going on the internet, playing video games alot
Has a good but weird sense of humor
Really good grades and never gets in trouble
Always there for the family--but too overprotective.
Is quietly judgemental
Always wants to learn about something strange or useless
Can be blunt, but may not realize it
Acts much more carefree around the family than anyone else.
Likes to work on her own.
Modest about how she dresses.
Doesn't like to be told what to do.
Doesn't take enough risks--holds herself back too much--worries too much


According to my sister I am "weird, analyzing, judgemental, and paranoid." She also says that I'm too sensitive. Everyone seems to think that I always think people are out to get me. My sister also calls me "her getaway driver" because I'm always there to pick up the pieces of some mess she made, or get her out of a bad situation when everyone else is too unreliable or bails on her.
One of my friends says "I seem really vanilla but I'm actually not." and another says that "I have personal space issues." She also said that I'm "harsh" because I don't sugarcoat and lie to her. Her mom seems to think I'm "the sweetest girl ever" though.

[AimfortheBrain]

Im going to bump this since its been a while and I'd like some new opinions.

[mu4]

You sound like some sort of LSI/ESI.