Nothing about his writing style or self-presentation points to beta. One of my main issues with Infinite Jest was that he would always digress into these overly detailed Si monologues that were just caricatures of some theme he had been developing for the past ten pages or so. It was just a way of contextualizing things without any boundaries; this is not beta at all. An EIE, if they did monologue, would be much more measured and seem less like they were indulging it for some kind of quirky fun. Oh and the writing style lacks the naturally stream-of-consciousness quality of beta NFs; it's fluid and definitely well put together, but it just doesn't have that internal continuity. And none of this is to critique ILEs or anything, the guy was a genius; it just doesn't fit.
edit: I could see ESE, but high dimensional Fe seems off.
Wallace was so embarrassed by his tendency to sweat that he carried a tennis racket in high school, hoping people would think he had just left the court.
gulenko on EIE:
Has an innate feeling of own inferiority for which he compensates by demonstrative behaviors.
I've watched interviews, and I agree that he is nervous, but it comes off as more of a kind of childish insecurity, like he's waiting for someone to tell him it's ok. And while there are some Si-related qualities to it, IMO it points more to suggestive than polr, as the latter is always eschewed and downplayed, not continually projected or compensated for. And the only tension I see is just social awkwardness that could apply to any type, not the more controlled, inwardly directed kind you get from Ni-EJs.looking at his interviews, I think he's the opposite of a Si type. he's always very tense and nervous, which is a huge indication for me that he had Si as vulnerable function.
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I fail to see that in DFW at all. you can have your own opinion of Si, but it's not how socionics describes it.
When the person continuously refers to logical standards he/she shows weakness in it but likes to evaluate ethics qualities from their own perspective shows person's strong point in ethics. He evaluates ethical qualia of the society a lot.
Measuring you right now
Winning is for losers
One of my favorite authors. His works are emotion-saturated though subdued by his logic. DFW said somewhere that he identified with the character Smerdyakov in Dostoevsky's The Brother Karamazov. Smerdyakov is more beta or gamma than alpha or delta. DFW's logic is service of his ethical agenda imo. The essay Consider the Lobster is an example. He logically and cool-heartedly discusses whether lobster suffers but essentially he's trying to persuade readers to Consider the Lobster. He talks and writes a lot about what fiction is for. To make suffers less lonely and get the contented to think (Fe obvious and anti-Si). Plus, there are plenty of masked religious discussiones in his works. One of his statements: choose your faith, choose your passion, choose what you love, but carefully. DFW went to Church regularly, he was desperate for faith, and he appealed people to seek the capitalized TRUTH. The big-T truth is a stereotypical beta theme imo.
I'm not sure of his type but I feel he has a lot in common with Van Gogh personality-wise (there is even a poem parallelizing DFW with VG). Though shy in public and lovely towards his students and acquaintances, DFW was emotionally turbulent and violent in private (according to his biography and DFW's ex-girlfriend's accusation in the MeToo movement, DFW threw a chair at his ex and stalked her). Another beta trait?
Last edited by Ada; 01-11-2020 at 05:01 AM.
English is not my mother tongue.
yea the first time i opened Infinite Jest (and that was also the last time) I thought "what's this ILE shit" because it seemed full of irrelevant tangents and smart words that seemed to be there only to say "look how refined I am"(sorry I had kind of a bad opinion of ILEs). But since then I learned that ILEs actually have a point/structure when writing, and it's always written clearly, not like DFWs muddled style.
I would actually type him EII with strong Ne subtype(so strong role Ti too). The Ij vibe I get from him in the videos is pretty strong, and he's deffo not a Ti dom. Ne creatives can have a way with Ne which infuriates me, they use Ne not for insight about the world but to show off how smartypants or "creative" they are. Sometimes it seems like they say stuff in overcomplicated ways ("look ! I wrote a BOOK OF MORE THAN ONE THOUSAND PAGES!!!") to have XSE's swoon over them "OH! OOOOH!!! OHOHOH WOW!!!! Look at him, he's SOOOO smart". And that's all there is to it, smartness, not real intuitive intelligence. There were Ni demonstrative topics in what I read from him too.
@Heretic 007, I hope you're better and not planning suicides anymore haha Otherwise you should check out the movie Harold and Maude, might give you some ideas! (i hope dark humour is permitted here)
PS: No questions about this typing pls, too lazy to answer
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EII is a really good typing, I can see that more than EIE.
I can't see EII writing something like this:
“I read," I say. "I study and read. I bet I've read everything you read. Don't think I haven't. I consume libraries. I wear out spines and ROM-drives. I do things like get in a taxi and say, "The library, and step on it." My instincts concerning syntax and mechanics are better than your own, I can tell, with all due respect. But it transcends the mechanics. I'm not a machine. I feel and believe. I have opinions. Some of them are interesting. I could, if you'd let me, talk and talk.”
I'm wondering if this hints a little bit at EIE's occasional narcissistic nature. he's just constantly talking in interviews, covering many different topics. it's the typical extroverted broad perspective. introverts usually study single topics that they become experts in. EII doesn't make much sense tbh, considering how he interacted with women and his suicide, which hints at valuing Se, and is clearly not Fi humbleness.
exroverted broad perspective: Ne
but he doesn't really pose, behaves, writes like an extrovert, especially a Fe one, he couldn't care less of expression, of fitting in the crowd, of playing by standard etiquette or merging/meddling in people's stuff and moods.
A supposedly fun thing I'll never do again, good example of Fe avoidance tendencies.