Quote Originally Posted by The Ineffable View Post
Perhaps you mean Te and Se, not Te and Ti. What you describe there is rather this, you talk about the perception of objects and therefore no Fields information is used to collect that.

Note that it depends on how the person takes it or equivocation, but if we stick to the letter, the weight of something is an extrinsic property - and a fact (Te), how much it weighted - while the mass is intrinsic, not a full fact (Se) - not a fact, it is the empirically justified assumption that what gives its specific weight is in the object (Static, in Socionics). Like I said before, what was not tested or not fully empirical is not a fact (not happened), and this is easy to demonstrate in our example: you weight one object and it is one kilogram (in common usage) heavy (happened), then you say that that object has a mass of one kilogram, and always weights 1 kilogram. So when you put it again on another balance, you "know" it will weight one kilo, however that is not a fact, because you haven't measured it yet on this balance. In what Te is concerned, the object may weight differently in the two cases - ie. the first balance may have been not adjusted - those are the actual facts (purely empirical).

Similarily, the value of one object can be seen differently: how much it costs indeed seems to suggest a fact - how much costs in the explored shops - though its worth is not a fact. That is because, similarily to the above case, part of your evaluation of the object is subjective: you assigned the value to the object itself (Static) overlooking how much it is sold on the market all the time.

Remember, facts *occurred* already to the object - in the past. Occurance is not applicable for what is said to be in the object - properties. Therefore Dynamic Egos, though their Je function, primarily use empirical experience as a sum of occurances (facts, events, impressions) in the past, while Static Egos as occasions to gather insight in the properties of the objects, through their Pe function. They are almost indistinguishable in communication, there are certain situations that reveal the real way a peer has interpreted the same phenomenon.
Seems External Static in general to me. You can't just have Ti and I probably automatically associated it with Se.

According to Aushra Augusta: http://socionics.us/works/socion2.shtml#1


Four perceptual elements of bodies (with their symbols):

— Perception of the appearance and shape of an object
— Perception of the inner content and structure of an object
— Perception of the external dynamics of an object — its movements in space
— Perception of the internal dynamics of an object — the changes taking place within it

Four perceptual elements of relations (with their symbols):

— Perception of the internal situation of an object
— Perception of time
— Perception of an object's position in space
— Perception of an object's attraction and repulsion


Comparing that with what I stated:

"The properties of a pencil such as its dimensions, color, material, mass, weight etc"

I can unproblematically agree that what I said fits with the description of . However, it can also fit with . Dimension, weight, color and mass(excluding material) are static properties derived from and used to determine one object's interrelation to other objects in space. None of these could be measurable nor observable without other objects in existence as they are all relative. Height, length, width, volume, etc all these are both fields and bodies, and when I will agree to these being more than is when we are discussing specific, actual objects and not speaking of abstract properties.



Overall I don't support such intensive Information Aspects analysis of words because one can easily overfocus on irrelevant or unsubstantial data and miss the point.