i dont expect you to listen to me but imo you should take a step back and think about what motivates your opinions on this. wouldnt you prefer the ability to have control over your actions over the ability to defer blame?Originally Posted by Typhon
I see your point, I dont know what motivates my opinion on this. I guess I dont see why I cant have both; control over my actions and yet capacity to defer blame? Because I think what motvates my opinion, I think, is probably that its unjust to assume responsibily for another's fault, and if you dont look really whos at fault in a situation, you cant render justice. I know people hate words like "justice"(Im beginning to think that people who hate words like "justice" really do hate justice, not just the word). Think about it. All our lives we have people telling us not to blame our problems on others, that everything is our responsiblity. Bullshit. Sometimes, others are to blame for your problems. eg: you get into your car with your family only to get hit by a drunk driver. You break your arm and you're paraplegic for life, and the rest of your family in the car dies. Now whos to blame? Dumb idiots who get behind the wheel and drive drunk, and no amount of control over your actions is gonna change that, except maybe that if this drunk driver gets punished itll set an example that our society actually gives a fuck. Its an extreme example obviously but the point is that civil justice doesnt exist to prevent crimes, it exists to punish offenders once they do commit crimes. At least, thats what i beleive, feel free to differ lol.
i think you're right that its not that simple, sometimes people are provoked, etc. i just think its best for yourself to look at the role you play for a lot of reasons, like having a clearer view of justice that isnt motived by self-interest, for one. also because you can change your own behavior to try to avoid the same things in the future but in situations like this one theres not much you can do to fix anyone else. the only reason i even said anything is because its something i feel like i have to keep a reign on in myself.
Hmmm justice that isnt motivated by self interest? Awlays seemed like an odd concept to me. It would seem that rational selfishness is the first motive for social justice, if you beleive that "love of others stems from love of oneself". Edit: maybe you mean "justice" in ones eyes can be distorted to serve one's own interests rather than justice itself?
I dunno, lol, this is derailement from the OP's topic, I know, but I was just curious as I've heard it before this whole concept of justice not motivated by self interest, though noone cared to explain it to me.
She does play dirty. Hard to catch her at it though, I think its not wholly deliberate; she just doesn't have much introspective capacity...
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Darling, I never wanted to screw with any mans mind and I feel very sorry if I did. I'm fickle, that's my problem. I get fascinated easily and disinterested as easily. Where Gilly really attracted me as a MAN, dj only interested me as a LSI and as a tool to end what I started with Gilly. My own immaturity and curiosity...
And with the ENFp... I found him attractive but I wasn't completely sure and when he started talking about a relationship I didn't want to hurt him and push him away...
Sincerely Yours,
Beyond the clouds. Beyond the sun.
The Rebel without a cause.
Fuck off!!! I did this cause I cared about you! I imagined you coming to Europe and us being all good together for 2 or 3 years, then we would start fighting and driving each other mad, eventually we would break up and then you would think to yourself "I wasted so much time of my life in a foreign country for this psycho woman!" I just didn't want this to happen.
Sincerely Yours,
Beyond the clouds. Beyond the sun.
The Rebel without a cause.
I hope that's true. I would like to believe it. We had fun at least
Its too bad my Amsterdam fantasy never came true, though...I still had love for you when you left. But its too late now. Oh well, it was worth itMy memories are good.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Hope I'll get to read your book one day..I hope that's true. I would like to believe it. We had fun at least
Its too bad my Amsterdam fantasy never came true, though...I still had love for you when you left. But its too late now. Oh well, it was worth it
Sincerely Yours,
Beyond the clouds. Beyond the sun.
The Rebel without a cause.
impressive ain't it
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" isand not
It's over. He realized himself that we are too different and suggested we should be friends and get to know each other better first. I agreed. Next day I made him understand that there is no way we will be together as couple ever again and after this he became a passive aggressive jerk. I feel sorry for him. But it had to end sooner or later.
Sincerely Yours,
Beyond the clouds. Beyond the sun.
The Rebel without a cause.
A relationship either works or it does not. You either want to be with the person or you do not. If they want to be with you, then there is not going to be a nice way to say that you are not interested anymore. The best thing you can do is to just get it over with so the both of you can get on with your lives, and hopefully find fulfillment with somebody else. The longer it drags on the more resentful both parties feel.
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