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    Come on haters! Let me know what type you think he is.

    I don't reallly have a strong opinion on it I guess. I have a few thoughts about traits that could be type related but I'd like to hear other people's thoughts.

    I'm reading his new book, Here Comes Trouble, and it made me think of what type he might be.








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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker View Post
    Come on haters! Let me know what type you think he is.

    I don't reallly have a strong opinion on it I guess. I have a few thoughts about traits that could be type related but I'd like to hear other people's thoughts.

    I'm reading his new book, Here Comes Trouble, and it made me think of what type he might be.
    Does he remind you of your mom or dad? Socionically wise.

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    Hmm. I guess more my dad than my mom. More subdued than my dad I think though.
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    He's an ENTp, a really annoying one.
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    Michael Moore is hypocritical I think.

    It's fun to hate on Republicans but he's filthy rich and selfish himself, and pretends to relate to his home town of flint michigan when really he condescends and looks down on it.

    I agree with him on his values but sometimes he's just ugh.

    (I don't know it's so easy for me to hate on everybody famous. Except for Fefe Dobson.)

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    Wouldn't it be fun to throw anybody you didn't like into a volcano?

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    My impression has always been ENTp.

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    I'd say Michael Moore is an IEE.

    Introverted Logic is certainly not in his ego block but rather a pretty clear PoLR. His moralism is pretty clear, but it's sketchy and situational, lacking any logical order to it. Would an ILE subscribe to the Catholic faith AND then take moral issue with that faith (abortion/gay rights etc.)?

    He's motivated by change and progress, also having a rather haphazard lifestyle which points to Ne leading, also his weight (despite having the build of a less robust individual) points to the eating fixations often (although certainly not necessarily) seen by someone who is Si valuing, at the same time suggesting it to be weak (super-id) due to the lack of care towards his appearance. Se is thus better suited in the Role form, i.e. quick, pushy uses of force when needed or using indirect volition such as making a highly critical film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echidna1000 View Post
    I'd say Michael Moore is an IEE.

    Introverted Logic is certainly not in his ego block but rather a pretty clear PoLR. His moralism is pretty clear, but it's sketchy and situational, lacking any logical order to it. Would an ILE subscribe to the Catholic faith AND then take moral issue with that faith (abortion/gay rights etc.)?

    He's motivated by change and progress, also having a rather haphazard lifestyle which points to Ne leading, also his weight (despite having the build of a less robust individual) points to the eating fixations often (although certainly not necessarily) seen by someone who is Si valuing, at the same time suggesting it to be weak (super-id) due to the lack of care towards his appearance. Se is thus better suited in the Role form, i.e. quick, pushy uses of force when needed or using indirect volition such as making a highly critical film.
    You seem like a smart guy, echidna, but half of what you are saying here is complete hogwash, and you say it with such simplistic certainty that I wonder if you really have any idea what you are talking about. His weight has zilch to do with his type, more to do with lack of an active lifestyle and genetics. Being motivated by change and progress has squat to do with Ne. His "moralism" does not indicate a lack of Ti in any way.

    I'll throw ESE-Si out there as a possibility. He strikes me as the kind of guy who could raise a good crowd in the street, but isn't really cut out for ideological or political leadership on a larger scale, which, to me, says Democratic>Aristocratic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    You seem like a smart guy, echidna, but half of what you are saying here is complete hogwash, and you say it with such simplistic certainty that I wonder if you really have any idea what you are talking about. His weight has zilch to do with his type, more to do with lack of an active lifestyle and genetics. Being motivated by change and progress has squat to do with Ne. His "moralism" does not indicate a lack of Ti in any way.

    I'll throw ESE-Si out there as a possibility. He strikes me as the kind of guy who could raise a good crowd in the street, but isn't really cut out for ideological or political leadership on a larger scale, which, to me, says Democratic>Aristocratic.
    Misusing a Reinin trait after criticising me is hardly a smart move. Aristocratic and Democratic is to do with whether you tend to see people by the groups they belong to or by their individual traits, it has nothing to do with whether you'd be cut out to be a political leader or not. After all, SEE is democratic.

    I did say that it was not necessarily the case that his weight would only have been due to being a judicious type. However, an Se leading type is far more likely to keep his body in better shape and SLE was being considered. Indeed 'lacking an active lifestyle' would be a very good reason to say he is not an SLE.

    You misunderstand my Ti vs Fi point. I'm not saying ILEs can't have moral views, I'm saying that if they do have moral views they'll be far more logically driven with their moral views i.e. not being a proud member of the religion they are openly criticising.

    Change and progress are almost always in line with interest and novelty, which is the Ne motivation. It's one reason why IEEs are far more likely to be 'against the system' than SLEs are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echidna1000 View Post
    Misusing a Reinin trait after criticising me is hardly a smart move. Aristocratic and Democratic is to do with whether you tend to see people by the groups they belong to or by their individual traits, it has nothing to do with whether you'd be cut out to be a political leader or not. After all, SEE is democratic.
    I challenge you to look through a list of the presidents of the united states and find out what percent were from Aristocratic quadras. Off the top of my head, George Washington LSE, George W. Bush LSE, Bill Clinton EIE, Ronald Reagan EIE, Abraham Lincoln EII, Jimmy Carter EII, FDR SLE, JFK EIE, Theodore Roosevelt LSI, Richard Nixon LSE...obviously these are not solid evidence, they are my typings, but I would just bet that if you typed US presidents without your own agenda in mind, you, too, would see a trend.

    Also, think of the most famous political leaders of the 20th century from elsewhere: Saddam Hussein EIE, Adolph ****** EIE, Joseph Stalin LSI, Winston Churchill SLE, Vladimir Lenin SLE, Fidel Castro EIE, Muammar Gaddafi EIE, Mahatma Ghandi IEI, Mao Zedong SLE, Kim Jong Il LSI, Kim Jong Un SLE, Tony Blair IEE, Vladimir Putin LSI...I could go on.

    I did say that it was not necessarily the case that his weight would only have been due to being a judicious type. However, an Se leading type is far more likely to keep his body in better shape and SLE was being considered. Indeed 'lacking an active lifestyle' would be a very good reason to say he is not an SLE.
    Bullshit. In todays world, where most people live like gerbils, driving to and from boxes in which they are typically sitting, it is foolish to think that size would be a better indicator of type than genetics and lifestyle habits. Absolute rubbish. Get your fucking head out of the sand, you overestimate yourself and it makes you stupider.

    You misunderstand my Ti vs Fi point. I'm not saying ILEs can't have moral views, I'm saying that if they do have moral views they'll be far more logically driven with their moral views i.e. not being a proud member of the religion they are openly criticising.
    Who would be a member of a religion they are openly criticizing? Do you also believe that all ILEs are scientists? What's the deal here?

    Change and progress are almost always in line with interest and novelty, which is the Ne motivation. It's one reason why IEEs are far more likely to be 'against the system' than SLEs are.
    Lmao, are they now?

    This is absurd, I feel like I'm talking to Maritsa...
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    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I challenge you to look through a list of the presidents of the united states and find out what percent were from Aristocratic quadras. Off the top of my head, George Washington LSE, George W. Bush LSE, Bill Clinton EIE, Ronald Reagan EIE, Abraham Lincoln EII, Jimmy Carter EII, FDR SLE, JFK EIE, Theodore Roosevelt LSI, Richard Nixon LSE...obviously these are not solid evidence, they are my typings, but I would just bet that if you typed US presidents without your own agenda in mind, you, too, would see a trend.

    Also, think of the most famous political leaders of the 20th century from elsewhere: Saddam Hussein EIE, Adolph ****** EIE, Joseph Stalin LSI, Winston Churchill SLE, Vladimir Lenin SLE, Fidel Castro EIE, Muammar Gaddafi EIE, Mahatma Ghandi IEI, Mao Zedong SLE, Kim Jong Il LSI, Kim Jong Un SLE, Tony Blair IEE, Vladimir Putin LSI...I could go on.
    It doesn't matter how many examples you list (many of which are debatable). Aristocratic vs. Democratic does not mean that a person can be a leader or not. Even if I were to trust your ability to type people, which blatantly I do not as I'm arguing with you over Michael Moore's type, you would still be basing your argument on a misunderstanding of a Reinin trait and thus be incorrect.

    I could explain why there are several deltas and many more betas in the list you have mentioned... For instance, deltas tend to try and bring about positive changes in their society. At the same time, betas tend to try and unite people towards a single, ideological goal. This doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of alphas and gammas who were also leaders, for reasons other than the quadras you have mentioned. For example, among gammas we have Gordon Brown, Barack Obama and Julius Caesar.

    You're also forgetting that Kim Jong Il inherited his position from his father and the same for Kim Jong Un. Their ascension was nothing to do with political leadership on their behalf.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Bullshit. In todays world, where most people live like gerbils, driving to and from boxes in which they are typically sitting, it is foolish to think that size would be a better indicator of type than genetics and lifestyle habits. Absolute rubbish. Get your fucking head out of the sand, you overestimate yourself and it makes you stupider.
    I don't see why there is any reason to stoop to an ad hominem, it's not as if it improves your argument. I just said that 'lifestyle choice' is directly influenced by your personality type, an argument that someone trying to connect the choice to lead people with being Aristocratic would be silly to disagree with.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Who would be a member of a religion they are openly criticizing? Do you also believe that all ILEs are scientists? What's the deal here?
    *sigh* What I mean is that it's illogical to subscribe to any religion or set of beliefs or ethos or code of practice while at the same time openly criticising it. If Michael Moore is a Catholic, it is illogical for him to go against his own religion and criticise it for its policy on homosexuality. Indeed to be Catholic is to take a stance against homosexuality as an 'abomination' [Leviticus]. Such a 'having your cake and eating it' error is the benchmark of IEE's Ti Vulnerability and something an ILE is unlikely to commit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Lmao, are they now?

    This is absurd, I feel like I'm talking to Maritsa...
    Well, yes they are. Ti PoLR also contributes to this dislike of the system.

    An SLE is a type far more likely to conquer the established system rather than be averse to even participating in the formal bureaucracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by echidna1000 View Post
    I'd say Michael Moore is an IEE.
    I think so, too. He is not even close to the ever-analyzing and rationalist nature of the ILE. He is empathetic, but also manipulates (and provokes) people's negative feelings, discontentment, repultion to war, inequality, discrimination, abuses, but without a direction and at least a more clear sketch of what end is he looking for - besides destroying the current system. He has an irrational - as in emotional - problem with authority. He apparently supports everything there is to protest against. He commits fallacies pretty easily and logical mistakes are all over the place - for example claiming that policemen always confuse a wallet in the hand of a black person for a gun, though based on only few incidents across the country (this is just a drop in the ocean). He is defiant. The emotional impact is more important to him than understanding a situation, he believes that this mobilization is a solution by itself, but IMO he is just growing irreconciliable standpoints between the system - which indeed is defectuous - and the average citizens.

    I think as typical to an IEE, and in contrast to an ILE, he plays the role of a reporter, he just notices possible problems and points the finger, though without trying to come up with elaborate, constructive solutions. I would see him, as an ILE, rather an economic or political analyst, who would immediately propose long-thought ideas to build something that could work, even if utopic, instead of just call for destroying what doesn't work. He has no answers, he is just exposing what is bad without knowing what is good, apart for an undefined "not bad". Check this out (04:22):
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    Moore seems SEI to me.
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa Darmandzhyan View Post
    Moore seems SEI to me.
    I sure do hope not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echidna1000 View Post
    I sure do hope not.
    It's not a confirm on that
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    There's actually lots of understated humor in his movies, esp the earlier stuff. He tries to bring out the irony (I'm not saying any of this is type-related) and appears to want to affect the emotions of his viewers. Totally bad with logic, I agree.
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    Ne - ENFP.

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    He's not a sensing type. imo.
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    Lol hkkmr, nice apologist rant...
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Lol hkkmr, nice apologist rant...
    Quote Originally Posted by Me
    If someone actually calls out a ILE on a flaw, I find they are open to correcting the logical error, but I think most people just call them names and make attacks on them, which of course is not going to change their minds.
    Hardy har har...

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    i would have less issues with IEE than ILE i guess but i'm not really sure where the Ne is... if he were ILE i would expect to see the Ne paraded about a little more and feel less likely to miss it. i mean also, what Ti creative, what Fe HA? i don't see any of that...

    i'm actually wondering about SLI. i think he's an IP type, but am not sure which one.

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    Hmmm I completely forgot what thoughts I had about him when I was reading the book. I'd have to re-read it to discuss his type, and I don't want to re-read it, though I enjoyed it the first time. Drat. I should have written down what he had written and what it had made me think at the time, but I can't remember what I was thinking at all.
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    Just noticed he's a bit fat, never heard heard about this guy before.

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    damn Gilly, it's not that serious lol

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    He's hard headed, its necessary
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I just have a hard time imagining echidna leading the discussion productively; everything he has said in other threads leads me to believe that his grasp of socionics is rather simplistic, and his typing abilities limited at best, so you'll have to excuse my pessimism in assuming that he leads discussions because he talks the loudest.
    I can't take what you say seriously until you either
    1. Provide a good response to my argument on the Michael Moore thread that successfully defeats my argument.
    2. Give an explanation as to why you have yet to provide a response, making sure that the explanation is consistent with my arguments being simplistic and relying on limited typing ability.

    To persist without meeting either of these two conditions suggests that either I am not the things you say I am or that regardless of what I am, you are even more inept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echidna1000 View Post
    I can't take what you say seriously until you either
    1. Provide a good response to my argument on the Michael Moore thread that successfully defeats my argument.
    2. Give an explanation as to why you have yet to provide a response, making sure that the explanation is consistent with my arguments being simplistic and relying on limited typing ability.

    To persist without meeting either of these two conditions suggests that either I am not the things you say I am or that regardless of what I am, you are even more inept.
    Hows this for an explanation, robot boy: I don't give a shit what you think

    You claim Michael Moore is an IEE because he is a moralist. In my book, that qualifies as "limited typing ability."
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Hows this for an explanation, robot boy: I don't give a shit what you think
    If that's the case, then why bother talking to/about me in the first place? You seem too angry to be doing it all for the lulz.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    You claim Michael Moore is an IEE because he is a moralist. In my book, that qualifies as "limited typing ability."
    You're not showing why my argument is simplistic, you're instead revealing that you frequently misinterpret my arguments in an overly simplistic fashion.

    What I actually said was this:

    "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD0dmRJ0oWg Watching this video you can see how he simply is incapable of 'arguing the principle' as Milton Friedman puts it. The young Michael, looking like the most stereotypical young, male IEE I have seen in a while * , gives the facts (Te) "Ford did this and that" with his moral conclusions (Fi) "I think this is wrong". Friedman points out what his Ti vulnerability simply cannot appreciate i.e. it's the principle that needs to be considered, not the facts of the specific case with moral judgments derived from it."

    ^^ An argument that instead of making the simplistic association that you claim instead points to three information elements, noting how they possibly fit into Moore's personality according to an informed view of Model A and based on observation from a cited source.


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    Quote Originally Posted by echidna1000 View Post
    If that's the case, then why bother talking to/about me in the first place? You seem too angry to be doing it all for the lulz.



    You're not showing why my argument is simplistic, you're instead revealing that you frequently misinterpret my arguments in an overly simplistic fashion.

    What I actually said was this:

    "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD0dmRJ0oWg Watching this video you can see how he simply is incapable of 'arguing the principle' as Milton Friedman puts it. The young Michael, looking like the most stereotypical young, male IEE I have seen in a while * , gives the facts (Te) "Ford did this and that" with his moral conclusions (Fi) "I think this is wrong". Friedman points out what his Ti vulnerability simply cannot appreciate i.e. it's the principle that needs to be considered, not the facts of the specific case with moral judgments derived from it."

    ^^ An argument that instead of making the simplistic association that you claim instead points to three information elements, noting how they possibly fit into Moore's personality according to an informed view of Model A and based on observation from a cited source.


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    Kid you crack me up. Whooped? Because I wasn't here to respond immediately? I think you're more "whooped" than i am for being on this topic like white on rice.

    Secondly, if you read the description, and, FOR FUCKS SAKE LOOKED AT THE KID, ITS NOT EVEN MICHAEL MOORE

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA this is great fun, please, more more more!!
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    Has anyone in this thread met Michael Moore? I don't think anyone has sufficient knowledge to establish a firm and confident typing.


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    Thanks, Brian. We shall do so - look into your type at some point!
    I got interested in the Moore -type argument and watched the video. It is difficult to judge the type just by this short video. Apparently it was not M.M but somebody look alike. Although M.M raised an athical question about how human the policy was I would not judge him as ethical - just because of that. He seems to be intuitive and introverted and he was looking confused but it could be anything really.

    Friedman is a very fishy extravert (impression) and showed not just logics but also NE-qualitiy- very quickly turned over the whole conversation inside out. From a discussion of a very concrete question he moved away to the bigger picture: is it worth to consider safety if the worth of person's life would be not that amount but much bigger amount? Ethics is transferred into logics. Should we consider pros and cones then? Is it worthy? Do you want the safety of the car to be considered first even if millions of people will be starving (?- not producing that car). Can we judge FORD for his policy? Can we rely on those numbers? Or shall we better consider life has an infinite value on one hand and risk is a part of life on the other hand and to say more - people do not want to pay much for their safety. Philosophy.
    Friedman showed too many aspects using not just logics but intuition of possibilities too. That is how I saw this argument.
    And who thinks what about the type of M.M except the version of IEE? Could be some intuitive introvert, ILI, may be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olga View Post
    I got interested in the Moore -type argument and watched the video. It is difficult to judge the type just by this short video. Apparently it was not M.M but somebody look alike.
    Damn! Let's hope Gill-brains doesn't see this.




    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Kid you crack me up. Whooped? Because I wasn't here to respond immediately? I think you're more "whooped" than i am for being on this topic like white on rice.

    Secondly, if you read the description, and, FOR FUCKS SAKE LOOKED AT THE KID, ITS NOT EVEN MICHAEL MOORE

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA this is great fun, please, more more more!!
    He already did? Double Damn!!!

    My point still stands that the argument, although founded on the false premise that the person in the video was Michael Moore, is a complex and thorough one and that your point is a simplistic misinterpretation of that argument.

    On the plus side, you may actually have found something new to say on the Michael Moore thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echidna1000 View Post
    He already did? Double Damn!!!

    My point still stands that the argument, although founded on the false premise that the person in the video was Michael Moore, is a complex and thorough one and that your point is a simplistic misinterpretation of that argument.

    On the plus side, you may actually have found something new to say on the Michael Moore thread.
    No I'm not really interested in the Michael Moore thread, or Michael Moore's type for that matter. It's true that it's a more nuanced argument than I gave you credit for, but I still have yet to see any evidence of good typing skills in you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    No I'm not really interested in the Michael Moore thread, or Michael Moore's type for that matter. It's true that it's a more nuanced argument than I gave you credit for, but I still have yet to see any evidence of good typing skills in you.
    You have yet to vindicate any evidence of bad typing skills. *shrugs*

    So far my only mistake is to go on an unfortunate red herring which can only be said to be irrelevant rather than a bad typing of Michael Moore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by echidna1000 View Post
    That doesn't prove your point. In fact it could not possibly prove your point...
    This is a case of not typing the right person, rather than typing the right person wrong. The latter is required for your point to be proven.
    Look, typing people involves more than logically dissecting their behavior. You apparently cannot grasp this yet. Try again in 4 years or so.

    The point is, you are SO bad at typing people, than you couldn't discern the OBVIOUS discrepencies in that kid's behavior, as compared to the actual Michael Moore. Not being able to tell the difference between two obviously different people? THAT is evidence of poor typing skills, if you ask me.

    Quote Originally Posted by echidna1000 View Post
    You have yet to vindicate any evidence of bad typing skills. *shrugs*

    So far my only mistake is to go on an unfortunate red herring which can only be said to be irrelevant rather than a bad typing of Michael Moore.
    VINDICATE BLAHBBITY BLEE BLAAHH

    Sorry, there is no form for me to fill out to have you filed away as a shitty typer. I've been around a while, so I call it like I see it: you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olga View Post
    Thanks, Brian. We shall do so - look into your type at some point!
    I got interested in the Moore -type argument and watched the video. It is difficult to judge the type just by this short video. Apparently it was not M.M but somebody look alike. Although M.M raised an athical question about how human the policy was I would not judge him as ethical - just because of that. He seems to be intuitive and introverted and he was looking confused but it could be anything really.
    It was more the reliance on and the confusion at Friedman's response that points to Delta Intuitive-Ethical.

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    Also Milton Friedman is an academic douche.
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    I'm sorry but if you weren't balls deep in confirmation bias, there's no WAY you would have mistook that skinny ass kid with brown eyes for a young Michael Moore.

    Thus proving my point: you suck at typing people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I'm sorry but if you weren't balls deep in confirmation bias, there's no WAY you would have mistook that skinny ass kid with brown eyes for a young Michael Moore.

    Thus proving my point: you suck at typing people.
    That doesn't prove your point. In fact it could not possibly prove your point...
    This is a case of not typing the right person, rather than typing the right person wrong. The latter is required for your point to be proven.

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