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    Quote Originally Posted by d1ffe7 View Post
    hahha. they make ILIs sound autistic too. being a logical doesn't necessarily mean you're unfriendly or incapable of being social/empathetic/whatever other emotional things normal people do, it's just not a primary mode of thought. As far as Fe DS vs. Fe creative, i would just try to read as many Fe descriptions as you can and try to understand it. for SEI, it's wouldn't be your primary mode of thought, but secondary, and something you could supply to other people really easily, without necessarily wanting a WHOLE lot in return. for LII, that means you can use it, and like when other people use it a lot as their primary mode of thought. it's hard to simplify, but after reading it a worded a bunch of times it all came together for me eventually.

    for the record, you definitely seem LII to me thus far. SEI second. you remind me a lot of a good friend of mine. she's LII as well, and she's not socially inept either. she's much more artsy, creative and friendly than i am, haha. she typed herself INFx in mbti too, i believe.
    Good to know, thanks! I'll have to read some more about , then; I'm not sure if this is what I seek in a significant other. Glad to hear that being logical doesn't mean you're a robot. I've also found SEI descriptions to make them sound like simple-minded hedonists, so I've realized that the descriptions aren't the best way to type myself haha.

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    Edited the first post with a bunch of brain vomit that may or may not help in typing me.

    Also, is it useful to compare myself to my ILE boyfriend in order to determine my type, as I am sure of his and know how we interact?

    I'm going to try on the LII label for now, though it doesn't seem like a perfect fit. I'm always open to more opinions or suggestions.
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    You're definitely not an LII. Valuing is not the same as preferring it. Remember, we value what we lack (which is part of the basis for dualization). If you were LII, would be something that permeated every aspect of your life. I believe you're an SEI... and I'll explain why.

    First of all, your descriptions of your past are full of sensory information, and in your video, you "talk with your hands" in a way that suggests to me that the concepts at hand are fundamentally connected to sensory information for you. This is consistent with a dominant function because the dominant function is generally how we store most of our information. (as a dominant , I generally remember things as logical patterns and structures.) Also, your fascination with perception itself fits with this. Many of the interests you list are interesting for reasons.

    Second of all, your tendency to take responsibility for the state of the social interactions around you (making sure people aren't left out, setting up events, etc) is fitting with a strong conscious . The way you like to challenge social norms fits with being your creative function rather than your dominant function as well, always providing new material for your dominant function to sort, filter, and incorporate.

    The way in which you value fits with it being your mobilizing function, and your sarcastic humor fits with in a demonstrative position.

    What you said about "thinking outside the box" fits with as your suggestive, or dual-seeking, function. You like being presented with novel perspectives and ideas, but have difficulty providing that for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tejing View Post
    You're definitely not an LII. Valuing is not the same as preferring it. Remember, we value what we lack (which is part of the basis for dualization). If you were LII, would be something that permeated every aspect of your life. I believe you're an SEI... and I'll explain why.

    First of all, your descriptions of your past are full of sensory information, and in your video, you "talk with your hands" in a way that suggests to me that the concepts at hand are fundamentally connected to sensory information for you. This is consistent with a dominant function because the dominant function is generally how we store most of our information. (as a dominant , I generally remember things as logical patterns and structures.) Also, your fascination with perception itself fits with this. Many of the interests you list are interesting for reasons.

    Second of all, your tendency to take responsibility for the state of the social interactions around you (making sure people aren't left out, setting up events, etc) is fitting with a strong conscious . The way you like to challenge social norms fits with being your creative function rather than your dominant function as well, always providing new material for your dominant function to sort, filter, and incorporate.

    The way in which you value fits with it being your mobilizing function, and your sarcastic humor fits with in a demonstrative position.

    What you said about "thinking outside the box" fits with as your suggestive, or dual-seeking, function. You like being presented with novel perspectives and ideas, but have difficulty providing that for yourself.
    Thanks for the input! Very helpful.

    Could you please explain how you use to organize things into patterns/structures in daily life? That's one part of descriptions that I can't really wrap my head around. I'm not sure if I do this so naturally that I'm oblivious to it, or if I'm not particularly good at it. I am pretty critical/skeptical in general, if this has any bearing. I also can find lapses in other people's logic pretty well.

    I do know that my ILE guy has a nice way of calming me with logic when my anxiety gets the best of me. He'll talk me through things step-by-step, and explain why my fears are unfounded. Even though I know this in the back of my mind, his guidance helps. Perhaps this points to SEI over LII, too.

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    Socionics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Socionics.
    As an example of organizing things (people, cognitive processes) into patterns/structures? OK, I can see that. Would an LII be likely to approach Socionics differently from an SEI, though? I see it as an interesting theory, but I know that ultimately if it holds any water things will happen accordingly whether I study it in detail or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolShrimp View Post
    As an example of organizing things (people, cognitive processes) into patterns/structures? OK, I can see that. Would an LII be likely to approach Socionics differently from an SEI, though? I see it as an interesting theory, but I know that ultimately if it holds any water things will happen accordingly whether I study it in detail or not.
    What?

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    What's your enneagram type, image triad?

    Maybe I'm just mistaking image triad for E observations. If you're I then probably SEI/EII > IEI. I don't really see base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolShrimp View Post
    Thanks for the input! Very helpful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolShrimp View Post
    Could you please explain how you use to organize things into patterns/structures in daily life? That's one part of descriptions that I can't really wrap my head around. I'm not sure if I do this so naturally that I'm oblivious to it, or if I'm not particularly good at it. I am pretty critical/skeptical in general, if this has any bearing. I also can find lapses in other people's logic pretty well.

    I do know that my ILE guy has a nice way of calming me with logic when my anxiety gets the best of me. He'll talk me through things step-by-step, and explain why my fears are unfounded. Even though I know this in the back of my mind, his guidance helps. Perhaps this points to SEI over LII, too.
    I thought for a while about how to explain my use of in everyday life, but after a while I realized that it's easier to highlight the differences in inner workings in the context of the "big stuff" that happens to us psychologically, so I'm going to go ahead and run with that idea.

    I've been diagnosed with severe clinical depression. Fortunately medication has worked quite splendidly for me, but before I was diagnosed, I reached the point of being suicidal. What's interesting about the way that worked inside me is this: I spent large percentages of my internal energy pondering philosophy and how it related to the question of whether I actually had any reasons not to kill myself. I continued not to find any solid logical reasoning against the course of action, and though a small part of me was frightened by this discovery, it was by no means a large enough part to stop the action should I have become logically convinced it was the correct one. Were I more self aware, I might have been able to ascertain (logically) why my musings were focusing in the directions they were, but I was not directly aware of being sad or stressed. It took others to point out to me that these things were the source of my issue, and I needed to treat them as such.

    That situation is essentially the opposite of the one you describe where you sometimes need external to help you control the failings of your . I needed external to help me control the failings of my focus. So in essence, yes, that does point toward SEI over LII as well.
    EDIT: Also, note that for an SEI, is an unconscious function, so it makes sense that you would be unaware of how it interacts with your everyday life, and though it's not the weakest unconscious function, it's not one of the stronger ones either. Generally you would use it sporadically and not always perfectly, but fairly well considering it's not your main focus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tejing View Post
    I thought for a while about how to explain my use of in everyday life, but after a while I realized that it's easier to highlight the differences in inner workings in the context of the "big stuff" that happens to us psychologically, so I'm going to go ahead and run with that idea.

    I've been diagnosed with severe clinical depression. Fortunately medication has worked quite splendidly for me, but before I was diagnosed, I reached the point of being suicidal. What's interesting about the way that worked inside me is this: I spent large percentages of my internal energy pondering philosophy and how it related to the question of whether I actually had any reasons not to kill myself. I continued not to find any solid logical reasoning against the course of action, and though a small part of me was frightened by this discovery, it was by no means a large enough part to stop the action should I have become logically convinced it was the correct one. Were I more self aware, I might have been able to ascertain (logically) why my musings were focusing in the directions they were, but I was not directly aware of being sad or stressed. It took others to point out to me that these things were the source of my issue, and I needed to treat them as such.

    That situation is essentially the opposite of the one you describe where you sometimes need external to help you control the failings of your . I needed external to help me control the failings of my focus. So in essence, yes, that does point toward SEI over LII as well.
    EDIT: Also, note that for an SEI, is an unconscious function, so it makes sense that you would be unaware of how it interacts with your everyday life, and though it's not the weakest unconscious function, it's not one of the stronger ones either. Generally you would use it sporadically and not always perfectly, but fairly well considering it's not your main focus.
    Sorry to hear about your battle with depression; sounds like it was a rough ride for you.

    I too suffered from depression and suicidal thoughts, back in high school; never diagnosed because I was convinced that medication wasn't the answer for me. It's interesting to contrast your experience with mine; for me, depression was a very physical experience. I primarily focused on how heavy, sluggish, fatigued, numb and just plain "stuck" I felt, and thought that I could fix it by resting, listening to music, writing poetry, etc. I didn't attempt suicide because I knew any method would hurt too much (physically), and hurt my family and friends too much (emotionally). I could have used someone to see through the fog and point out alternative methods for dragging me out of it.

    If I am actually a sensing type my mind will be blown, as I've considered myself an intuitive of some sort for YEARS.

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    I think I'm reconsidering SEI now after reading your last post. Full of sensory descriptions. Could you describe your relationship with your boyfriend?

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