I went with 4 vs. 3, because of the following reasons.
For contrast: My example for a 3 is Heidi Klum - SEE E3w2 sx/so (maybe so/sx). I have watched her in some shows. She is all over the competency. Her first and foremost priority is getting the job done, mastering the challenge. Petty insecurity or doubting is not what she is about. I remember, when she had some turmoil in her personal life, there was not one incident, where I would say, that her E3 professionalism really slipped. She has more of being in control quality. I remember her talking about her start in the modeling business. How she had to run from casting to casting. There are thousands of girls. They come, walk and then it’s like ‚thank you. Done. You have to stand out among the masses. The more you hear her talk, the more you know, that she has that awareness of ‚what works, what doesnt‘. That’s E3 (image) pragmatism for me. She also talked about , how in one photo shooting a photographer was pretty hard on her, because she was not performing how he wanted. She talked about how she learned to smile ‚that smile‘. Like how she worked until she got it right. When you heard her talk about it, she was really matter of fact about it. She went from that, to telling you, that you have to perform in this business, even if you don‘t feel like it. Lana in contrast can come across as more insecure and doubting (SNL performance). An E3, like Heidi, would ruthlessly weed this out and kill this part of themselves in their working persona. Sophistication and Skill is what they aim for.
Another things is, that Heidi has a more positive and cheerful presentation. That’s how she views professionalism. In her show, she always has a good word for the girls ,who keep it up‘, who create a positive atmosphere, who are energetic/fun. It’s not so much about creating a glossy veneer. There is more of an aspect of not letting out the weakness or letting yourself get dragged down too much, mixed with ‚smile and the world smiles with you, cry and you cry alone‘. Personal feelings have to take more of a back seat in order to get the job done. It’s more of a ‚can do‘ attitude, of keeping yourself upright. It‘s not too much about beeing phony or faking, more of trying to overlay deeper currents (that you might not like to deal with rn) with something positive (so to speak), so that you can keep going on, keep moving forward (see what Don Draper has to say about this).
4s in contrast seem more like to battle with these deeper currents. They are not trying to overlay too much. If you want to be mean, you could say that they can get stuck in their deeper emotions. Like Lana said in that one interview, how she seems to be singing about the same person and is gonna love him forever (Singing about the same person, relishing in the pain of it over and over again?) Integrating these deep heavy melancholic tones, like Lana, into her professional, working persona is something, that I think would be totally foreign to someone like Heidi Klum. For her it’s more ‚I’m gonna make it‘ ‚the show must go on‘ (makes me think of Moulin Rogues, which I see as an Beta E3 movie). Really just contrast the archetypes, that they try to embody. Lana is more along the lines of outcasted, troubled, doubting, searching females. Music videos seem like they try to catch sth. out of another time (yearning, longing of 4). Heidi is more about the Victoria Secret Angel, sophisticated, sexy, successful, the modern women.
Just spin the attitudes futher and more differences between 3 and 4 will emerge. The 3 attitude can create friction/a divide between the working persona and them as a private person, when they have a workaholic slant. Just generally a divide what they are showing and what they might be really feeling. I sense more of this divide in Heidi Klum. It’s like her deepest emotions and thoughts are private. They are not bleeding into her working persona. Lana's career is build up on the total opposite. I don’t know if I’m the only one who thinks, that in her art, in her expression, we get a lot of personal content. Her style, despite what people say about made up, still reeks too much of what her emotional landscape looks like. I’m not saying, that she is not ambiguous. But for me it’s more along the line, that you shouldn’t take it too literal with her (hence my typing of intuitive>sensing). Just take in the images, the music, her style without any pre formed judgements. Like drawing the straight line between her music to how she really lived like. Just experience it. I don’t know why, but I don’t feel myself too much reacting to the ‚modeled‘ persona. It’s like deep down I get the impression that she started out as Lizzy and things where not going that well, then she turned the wheel and I always felt like Lana Del Rey was someone, that always lived inside her and she just jumped for it and gave life to that part of her.
The whole quality of it, it doesn’t remind me too much of an oversell. It’s more like a young person, who had this always deep inside her (this dream) that they honed in their childhood, which gives it this quality, like it’s not too much touched by ‚cruel reality‘ and they are just a little bit afraid of showing it all, because they got laughed at by some person or who is always seen as naive and got underestimated by others, you know not really taken for full and who got a bit defensive and cautious and who wanted to prove themselve because of that. But with all the backlash and all the machinations of the industry, she seems a little bit struggling here and there.
Re. sexual 4: She is more about expressing female archetypes. These archetypes deal somehow with sexual 4 imaginery for me. E4 with themes like longing and shame, and with Lana it gets bleed out in the intimate area (sexual subtype). It’s THE base compenent of her art. And it’s not just like reducing the sexual instinct to relationships. There are probably thousands of singers who cover that area. Lana is really striking a cord with whatever she is doing with her artist persona, her style. Just look at this thread, just look at other comments on the internet, people have a reaction to her. She is the most streamed female artists on spotify right now. Even before Rihanna and Beyonce!
Sexual 4. Envious Competition.
I love you more than those bitches before.There is probably more, but I‘m too lazy to dig it up all now. But you get the gist. It's more like the 4 quality of something deeply individualistic and the sexual instinct, combine to the desire to be the only one. Would be interesting to see if/how she moves to sexual 1 - Jealousy. This is just my guess/take on it. I think you can make arguments for both sides. This is just my personal stand. On a personal note: I like her melancholic pieces. They make you feel heavy around the heart. It’s soothing. I listen to her sometimes before I go to sleep. It brings me down. One thing though ‚he hit me and it felt like a kiss‘. Romanticizing of domestic abuse ... NO.The other woman has time to manicure her nails, the other woman is perfect where her rival fails.
Some Sources: assertive vs. withdrawn, moving against vs. moving away, Naranjo 'Character and Neurosis' Chapter E3 and E4.
Originally Posted by Claudio Naranjo, Character and Neurosis, Chapter E3
Originally Posted by Claudio Naranjo, Character and Neurosis, Chapter E4
Poor Self-image: The most striking of traits from the point of view of the number of descriptors in it is that which conveys a poor self-concept. Included among the specific characteristics are not only “poor self-image” itself, but others such as “feeling inadequate,” “prone to shame,” “sense of ridicule,” “feeling unintelligent,” “ugly,” “repulsive,” “rotten,” “poisonous” and so on. Even though I have chosen to speak of “bad self-image” as a separately (thus echoing the appearance of an independent conceptual cluster of descriptors) it is impossible to dissociate the phenomenon of envy from this bad self-image, which object relations theorists interpret as the consequence of the introjection of a “bad object.” It is such self-denigration that creates the “hole” out of which arises the voracity of envy proper in its clinging, demanding, biting, dependent, over attached manifestations.Refinement: An inclination to refinement (and the corresponding aversion to grossness) is manifest in descriptors such as “stylish,” “delicate,” “elegant,” “tasteful,” “artistic,” “sensitive,” and sometimes “arty” and “affected,” “mannered” and “posturing.” They may be understood as efforts on the part of the person to compensate for a poor self-image (so that an ugly self-image and the refined self-ideal may be seen as reciprocally supporting each other); also, they convey the attempt on the part of the person to be something different from what he or she is, perhaps connected to class envy. The lack of originality entailed by such imitativeness in turn perpetuates an envy of originality—just as the attempt to imitate original individuals and the wish to emulate spontaneity are doomed to fail.


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