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    Not the true God, but the only God I have ever worshipped. I can die for all I care. But I can't turn my back on everyone who was born into this hell, including myself. We are all psychologically raped from birth. Every one of you is terribly flawed and I love that about all of you. All of us worship Satan, this isn't a pledge of servitude this is just an acknowledgment of the reality.
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    How do you embrace death?

    My friend chants every morning that he's already dead.
    “I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden

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    meh changing my mind about things back and fourth, but I am settling on this
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    immortality is a given.

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    ok but what right do we have to claim holiness after being as evil as we are? At least we can all come out and admit we worship satan, and that although he isnt the true God we know who we are and we aren't making any qualms about it. That way we aren't causing any further damage.
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    Only by all of us acknowledging we are satanic can we, by a miracle of christ, be forgiven and even begin to know the one true God. God is not 0, either. God tells what he is in the bible, alpha & omega, the beginning, what is here, and what is coming. What I need to do is found a church of satanic confessions, or maybe write a bible of satanic confessions which people can add to and we can pass around and have everyone read it after we edit it properly, then they can add to it, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    How do you embrace death?
    This question is fairly simple and quite relevant. Can you answer it?
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    starfall, infinity does not "exist within" anything; that is absurd. it is not a positive substance. the second you refer to zero, you commit an act of self-negation; this reveals the nature of space.
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    Forget about the Bible and God and Satan. The existence or non-existence of any number of god(s) or any other supernatural entities is wholly irrelevant to the physical plane of existence.
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    Whether you transcend to immortality or you simply die is determined by what you do here. But here is something about hell; that it is just a place of death, not eternal life in punishment. The mistranslation of what hell is has twisted the message about eternal life and how to achieve it.
    http://www.worldtocome.org/player.ht...!Item=558768,1

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratPULSE View Post
    Not the true God, but the only God I have ever worshipped. I can die for all I care. But I can't turn my back on everyone who was born into this hell, including myself. We are all psychologically raped from birth. Every one of you is terribly flawed and I love that about all of you. All of us worship Satan, this isn't a pledge of servitude this is just an acknowledgment of the reality.
    Stay metal, dude. \m/

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    666 isnt the number of Satan.
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    Merry Christmas, @Typhon

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    Too hairy.
    “I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratPULSE View Post
    Not the true God, but the only God I have ever worshipped. I can die for all I care. But I can't turn my back on everyone who was born into this hell, including myself. We are all psychologically raped from birth. Every one of you is terribly flawed and I love that about all of you. All of us worship Satan, this isn't a pledge of servitude this is just an acknowledgment of the reality.
    You have issues. And no, 666 isn't the # for Satan. That's what the modern world believes, but if you're Biblically accurate, it's a different #.

    But I wish you the best of luck, and I will pray for you.

    Merry Christmas everyone. Let's celebrate Jesus' birth.

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    Sniffing petrol again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain LSE View Post
    You have issues. And no, 666 isn't the # for Satan. That's what the modern world believes, but if you're Biblically accurate, it's a different #.

    But I wish you the best of luck, and I will pray for you.

    Merry Christmas everyone. Let's celebrate Jesus' birth.
    I think rat was actually onto something very true and important. The religious aspect of it wasn't really necessary, but it was a way that many of us could relate to, and now I can't think in terms of anything but religion. Actually, I think rat's OP made me realize something, but something very different from what I think he is saying...

    God in the traditional sense is omniscient. So even knowing everything that would happen; that is, Satan would rebel against God and then later corrupt man and then man would be sentenced to live in hell for a certain amount of time on earth in pain and depression and strife and constant competition of everything against everything, and then way later Jesus would come (apparently he is actually God himself) and die so that the 'sins' of all men would be healed, but not all men so much as those who believe in Jesus and God in this lifetime. They go to heaven/New Jerusalem while everyone else (probably over 90% of the human population that has ever lived) is tortured and burned forever in hell and a literal lake of fire. And that's their just punishment for their sins. Even if ****** himself had repented of his crimes against humanity and believed in god and Jesus he would be counted among the ranks who will rule with Christ, while people such as Ghandi will just burn forever. And this God actually expects us to believe in all of this through an ancient text written by superstitious people groups from the bronze age. So even knowing all of this, God would willingly create everything. What a 'plan'.

    Fuck that guy. I can't believe people actually believe this shit.

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    I liked Nil's post more than that like button would could have shown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nil View Post
    I think rat was actually onto something very true and important. The religious aspect of it wasn't really necessary, but it was a way that many of us could relate to, and now I can't think in terms of anything but religion. Actually, I think rat's OP made me realize something, but something very different from what I think he is saying...

    God in the traditional sense is omniscient. So even knowing everything that would happen; that is, Satan would rebel against God and then later corrupt man and then man would be sentenced to live in hell for a certain amount of time on earth in pain and depression and strife and constant competition of everything against everything, and then way later Jesus would come (apparently he is actually God himself) and die so that the 'sins' of all men would be healed, but not all men so much as those who believe in Jesus and God in this lifetime. They go to heaven/New Jerusalem while everyone else (probably over 90% of the human population that has ever lived) is tortured and burned forever in hell and a literal lake of fire. And that's their just punishment for their sins. Even if ****** himself had repented of his crimes against humanity and believed in god and Jesus he would be counted among the ranks who will rule with Christ, while people such as Ghandi will just burn forever. And this God actually expects us to believe in all of this through an ancient text written by superstitious people groups from the bronze age. So even knowing all of this, God would willingly create everything. What a 'plan'.

    Fuck that guy. I can't believe people actually believe this shit.
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    Nil, I think you explained yourself well here. Your conclusion makes perfect sense in light of what you shared. I have a different conclusion but its due to theological differences concerning some of what you shared.

    So I will share those differences for you or for anyone else who may be interested..

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    I think rat was actually onto something very true and important....

    God in the traditional sense is omniscient.
    yes but that's not all. I beleive the two most important traits of God are Love and Mercy. We know these are important because Jesus lived these traits so thoroughly in his life on earth. Jesus said if we have seen Him we have seen God. So, God is Love and Mercy, and everything He does reflects this.

    He made us and He made the universe out of love for us.

    And He gave us the awesome gift of free will.

    So even knowing everything that would happen; that is, Satan would rebel against God and then later corrupt man and then man would be sentenced to live in hell for a certain amount of time on earth in pain and depression and strife and constant competition of everything against everything,
    Yes, man is corrupted but the Good News or Gospel is that Jesus came. And that now there is Peace on Earth to Men of Good Will.

    So if our will is evil we can choose evil. We won't have the peace of God, but we have our choice. Its an awesome gift, choice.

    Because of Jesus and His Presence in the world we have the power to do good and be at peace in spite of living in a corrupted world. So earth does not have to be pain and strife. Even if circumstances seem like pain and strife is the only thing for us -- we still have the witness of those stories of those starving and beaten in concentrations camps whose spirits soured in spite of circumstances.

    and then way later Jesus would come (apparently he is actually God himself) and die so that the 'sins' of all men would be healed, but not all men so much as those who believe in Jesus and God in this lifetime.They go to heaven/New Jerusalem while everyone else (probably over 90% of the human population that has ever lived) is tortured and burned forever in hell and a literal lake of fire. And that's their just punishment for their sins. Even if ****** himself had repented of his crimes against humanity and believed in god and Jesus he would be counted among the ranks who will rule with Christ, while people such as Ghandi will just burn forever.
    Yes, He told us that He is God Himself. Its a huge claim, but He sure did not come off as a liar... Yes, it is clear, He died for our sins, to pay the price. And in doing so He gave an example of true love: to love is to lay down one's life for the beloved.

    Yes, we are rewarded for our faith in Him, and He calls us to believe. But you cannot leave out the fact that He is Love and Mercy. For some it is naturally (or circumstantially) hard to have faith. Which must be one reason he tells us we only need a TINY bit, the size of a mustard seed compared to our whole body! But a Merciful God would certainly have to account for the fact that it is harder for some to believe than others.

    So does Love and Mercy give the hard-core Lifetime Atheist one last chance to believe right before he dies? Say, perhaps as he is falling from a burning building, or in the unconscious moments before he dies? I believe in that, and that's one of the reasons the Catholic Church does not believe in Euthanasia - because every moment of life is precious, and those last very private live moments between you and God can be quite crucial.

    But do we get a chance to beleive after we die? For example, what about the atheist who dies suddenly, in a car crash, for example, maybe while muttering about "those stupid Christians"? I have always felt that God must extend them Mercy, too, after they die, since they didn't get a chance before. Recently I found words of a mystic that support that belief I have always had. I will follow with a link. Basically, it confirms that God gives us yet another chance to believe Him even after we die and see him!

    Yet, even face-to-face with the God of love and light, some will reject Him. [not so unlike Judas, face-to-face and deeply loved by the God-Man, chose to reject him]. More than one reliable, godly, Sainted Mystic has said that everyone in hell is there because they WANT to be there. Its what they CHOOSE. Yes, they know it is eternal suffering but they choose it because they DO NOT WANT and love and mercy, and since that's what God is they want to assign themselves hell for eternity. Love and mercy seems, to them, a worse hell.

    So why should anyone bother to try to be good when at the last minute - even after we die - we have the chance to say, "Yes. I believe!" and get to heaven? Because what we do on earth makes us who we are. If we choose evil again and again on earth, we risk becoming evil. The more steeped in sin we become the more it gets a hold on us and, eventually, we realize we love sin more than anything else. Man cannot have two masters, God and Mammon... we choose one.

    If we die having given our life completely over to evil as ****** did, we risk on that day of seeing God and choosing now to say "NO thank you!" to Love and Mercy, because we have grown to hate SO MUCH that which is opposite of what we have chosen all our lives to embrace. And according to some Mystics, hell is a choice that all who actually end up there have chosen. Yes, they choose the excruciating eternal torture, physical and spiritual, of hell.

    Yes, the free will God gives us is an awesome power.

    Every time we choose sin and wrong, we go further down this road. But the good news is for those of us with good will. If we will the good at all, we can call on Jesus and He will pull us out of the traps and snares the evil one has set for us, that we are ensnared in because of our own conscious choices do be and do evil. Jesus will set us free, if we ask. Good news indeed!

    Oh, and you forgot, there is also purgatory for those who have not sought and applied the grace of God to become Saints while still on earth. I expect to be there myself though I have certainly already put in some good purgatory time on earth while I was married! Purgatory is a grace of God. We are full of sin, most of us, when we die, and we need a place to get cleaned up and to finish learning the lessons of love that we didn't learn well enough on earth before we can stand being in the presence of the Eternal Love... Purgatory is a lovely gift. All of us who go there, every single one, is heaven bound so there is that wonderful peace while there...


    And this God actually expects us to believe in all of this through an ancient text written by superstitious people groups from the bronze age. So even knowing all of this, God would willingly create everything. What a 'plan'.
    **** that guy. I can't believe people actually believe this shit.
    I believe and would die for this belief: that the Bible is the very Word of God. However, unlike the Protestant faith that has influenced your thinking here, Catholics believe the Word is also manifest elsewhere, such as in the traditions passed on by word-of-mouth, and held-fast-to [as scriptures attest we are told to] to the Apostles and preserved through the Church He established. - [one example, the powerful sign-of-the-cross gesture, which can be traced back to the Apostles - who weren't making things up after Jesus left!]. We believe Jesus established a Church before he left, not a book: the Holy Spirit, through the Church then gave us the Book. And that would be a visible not an d invisable Church. We believe the Church is entrusted with the full and entire truth about God, and these eternal and absolute truths are preserved through this "institution" that staffed by fallible men [tares among the wheat!] and headed by an unbroken line of successors to the Apostle Peter. I believe this and would die for this too.

    Official Catholic teaching, in spite of what you may have heard, has always been that the Infinite God of the Universe is not limited to the Church He established to impart the fullness of truth, but He is fully and well and assessible through other Christian and non-Christian religions, and to all hearts open to the truth. Yes, all hearts, including those who through their experience and reason have concluded that God must certainly not be present in ANY organized religion. If they seek the truth of God in sincerity, they WILL find it.

    The Catholic Church and all those other organized religions desparagingly accused of casting guilt by talking about sin really have our best interests in mind. The more we sin, the further we run from God, and we risk choosing our own eternal damnation the further we get down that road. I would rather be in a restrictive convoluted religious cult like, say, Jehovah's witness, where I sought to be good our of fear of not being one of the 10,000 elect, or in the Church of Scientology, well on my way to becoming a paranoid, but at least having some perverted incentive to avoid sin, which is much better than no incentive, than to have all the freedom I wanted and choose evil till that's all I wanted in the end...

    So I am telling you about my beloved Church and I know lots of you think its the Whore of Babylon! or full of abusers! since that's what the media says. And if its on the news, it must be true, right? Well the prince of this world hates the Catholic Church more than any other church so you can be sure the world and the culture has been infused with many lies about who we are. The kind of lies the evil one loves - twists of truth. But we all have heads to think with, and we can reason things for ourselves, if its truth we are after.

    I will include the words of the mystic in another post.

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    I heard god was incomprehensible and imperceivable.

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    Eliza Thomason, I think the whole problem with the idea of God giving us free will is that he knew that Satan would fall and never have a chance to repent(angels are not allowed to repent like human beings are etc). Yet he created Satan, knowing this being would rebel and roast in eternal suffering forever. He knew it, yet he chose to do it anwyas. This is what seems dubious; how could a god of love create a being in order to have him suffer. This makes me think God is actually an invention of the human mind, rather than the other way around.

    As far as human beings go, they all may have a choice and things like predestination are too theologically complex to get into here, but Jesus himself, in the gospel of John, said Judas was meant to be condemned "it would be better for him if he had not been born", said Jesus.

    See the loophole in your arguement is that God knew Satan would rebel against him and he would have to send Jesus to die for mankind before the time of creation, in other words, Satan is supposed to have free will yet God knew he would fall. This implies either predestination or no free will.

    The Catholic Church and all those other organized religions desparagingly accused of casting guilt by talking about sin really have our best interests in mind. The more we sin, the further we run from God, and we risk choosing our own eternal damnation the further we get down that road. I would rather be in a restrictive convoluted religious cult like, say, Jehovah's witness, where I sought to be good our of fear of not being one of the 10,000 elect, or in the Church of Scientology, well on my way to becoming a paranoid, but at least having some perverted incentive to avoid sin, which is much better than no incentive, than to have all the freedom I wanted and choose evil till that's all I wanted in the end...
    Im glad for you that you are not a member of those cults anymore. I dont agree with the Catholic church's teachings but they are much healthier(with the exception of a few groups within the catholic church) than the Jehova's witnesses and TomCruisology.
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    Default Words direct from heaven to you Atheists!

    Yes, these words are direct from heaven!

    I said I would include a little something from a mystic of our time, so I will introduce you to how they got here as well as link them.

    This is an American woman, divorced, remarried, living with her husband and children in Ireland now. Jesus began speaking to her, interiorly, and she wrote down what He said. [the evil one copies the things of God, so you will see New Age "automatic writers" copying down the twisted lies of the evil on too]. You can read what she says about herself if you are curious.

    I think its fascinating, as can be seen in Volume I [almost the entirety of her works are available to be read free online, but I have most of them, because they are precious to hold and read] that Jesus spoke to her and taught her and gave her vivid visions of heaven and purgatory while she still struggled with swearing and smoking! I could not have accepted this in my old Christian faith tradition, but I do now.

    Others have trouble with the fact that Jesus might speak to one with such moral imperfections[!], and so some have dug up about her "past" -- for example, under her own name,years before she was receiving these messages from Heaven, she wrote an enthralling autobiographical novel called Breakable Vow [a book used in schools and other programs to teach about the warning signs of an abusive relationship]. Many folks just don't think that Anne is the type of woman that Jesus speaks to - they forget that Jesus hung out with and spoke to sinners while on earth, and that the Eternal One probably hasn't changed His ways....

    In spite of all this, her works have been subject to rigorous official Church examination, so, the best minds today have studied her now-many words and approved that they are theologically perfect and do not disagree with any Church teaching. She has the needed approval of her local Bishop [Catholic protocol for mystics] and the Church has assigned a priest to her apostolate [ministry], Direction for Our Times. Even so, like any prophet, she has vehement detractors, most prominently from within the Church, of course.

    The following link is from one of her little "Heaven Speaks" booklets. The little booklets truly reflect "Directions for Our Times". The words are like very small precise and perfect sound bites because yo know our attention spans these days are small.

    The booklet is called, "Heaven Speaks to Those Who Reject God" and in it, people in Heaven speak directly to Atheists, and to those who say "**** that guy" So you can read here what those in Heaven - those who see you and by the grace of God know you and also your thought and motive, and they also dwell in the Knowledge of the Beautific Vision - have to say to you [and its so very logical. Must be logical-types have the hardest time believing...]:

    http://www.directionforourtimes.org/...God%20Body.pdf

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