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    Default World population will hit 11 billion by 2050.

    What do you think about that?

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    Okay with me.

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    i don't think i'll be around bY then. the future freaks me out
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    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
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    China and India are getting richer every day, they'll reach a point in their development in which they will live like we live right now because the western lifestyle is still the ideal. And Europe suffers from a high decrease of birth rates almost throughout the continent. It somewhat paradox, but richer societies seem to have lower birth rates in general.
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    Also, that:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Actually, mid-range extrapolations of population growth suggest that we'll plateau around ~9 billion and probably fall from there (see pg. 5 here).

    I'm pretty sure overpopulation is one of the least things humans will need to concern themselves with in the future—all you need consider is the fact that birth rates in much of the developed world are already well below replacement levels, and that many of these countries are increasingly reliant on a steady influx of immigration to boost their sagging population growth rates.

    You should probably worry more about how there simply won't be enough young people in the future to sustain social security, medicare, and the lush retirement pensions many currently enjoy. At least not without a drastic cut in benefits.
    Nice so you think the population curve is stabilizing out and soon it will reach a sort of equilibriated state where net births and deaths balance out. The main issue is in how to economically make that transition smoother.

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    It's completely dependent on the rate of technological development (arbitrary) vs. rate of consumption (increasing at an increasing rate). It's interestingly reminiscent of the antibiotic crisis.
    technological development also occurs along a reasonably well extrapolable exponential curve:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_change

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Privatize entitlement programs.
    So the main source of people's retirement comes from growth in the market, rather than from income generated from taxes on the population, and while that income is being "grown" it can be used to create innovation in our technology, infrastructure, and other needs. Is that the way its supposed to work?

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    I just think we're heading towards a decrease of anonymity. Real names like Facebook or something idk how this shit works
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    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
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    Most of it is going to be in third world countries, like it is now and has mostly been. How do I feel about this? That's another story. Do I want people to become masses rather than individuals? No. I feel that the irresponsible growth does that. Look at what it takes now to get somewhere in life. To go to the school you want, you must compete with other. You're no longer valued for your unique personality but are for your outstanding test score that competes with everyone else. It raises competition and that world we created to surpass evolution of human kind (by making the selection determinant on qualities other than basic evolutionary tendencies such as strength is going to be lost and the losing party becomes the fragile souls).

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    Population will eventually plateau, even if just by the limits overpopulation places on mankind-- outbreak of disease, warfare, economic hardship, etc. hopefully....

    The whole idea disgusts me. Why the fuck have generations before us made it so easy for humans to thrive, especially those who have no business procreating-- ie the dumb and useless? Now, humans are just one big problem. We've largely defeated most natural bounds of Darwinism as the strongest are definitly not the only group thriving.. destroying the planet, la de da.. I know, I'm horrible, but life, to me, seems so much more practical with less people; take me back to the 1800s..

    people living in a shack or ghetto shouldn't have six or seven kids when they can't afford having even one. For extra labor? I work in a hugely "ghetto" area...and these kids do anything but work, they play videogames all day, fight, rob, eat, take up space, skip school.. and yet their mommas and sisters keep popping out kids.
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    I personally am a little scared about the future, and not only because of the population growht, but also the weaknesses of our monetary system, possible climate change(?), pensions crisis etc.. On the other hand, I feel like this is a very interesting generation to be a part of, whatever may happen.

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    The planet should be able to handle several more billion people without a problem, however eventually the population would reach a point where it would be too high to sustain. When? I don't know. However, either humanity as to cut down on its lifestyle to sustain more people, or simply cut down on its birthrates to sustain its way of living.
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    There has never been over-population. Nature always takes care of it. Everything will be fine. After a bloodshed for last resources, starvation, wars and other economic, ecologic catastrophes. I deeply believe that humankind will persist and will kill it's inefficient as well as counterproductive structures. The progress just will be slow and painful until the boiling point is reached.

    In some areas, bunnies and foxes have statistically visible, reversely correlative birth and mature rates. This phenomenum is cyclic as the foxes will start to overpopulate and die as the bunnies reproduce due to lesser threat of a predator.
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    the world is almost polluted past the point of no return already, i really don't see a hope in some natural balance sweeping in and the population re-leveling. you guys act like death isnt natural, death of the planet; or at least what's on its surface

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    demographic predictions are lame. They never get them right. Since the 1980s, demographic projects have been consistently downward shifted i.e. they never got them right in the first place, and they keep on getting them wrong. It's just impossible to tell.

    Ashton's link seems good, but since the report has been written in 2004, I believe it's already outdated.
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    I have faith earthquakes will hit major cities before then wiping out hundreds of thousands.


    I was texting someone just last night about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Mmm, Malthusian Crunch…



    The problem with these sorts of arguments, is that commodity supplies keep increasing over the long-term (because of technology advances, etc). You can look at the supply levels for any basic commodity—oil, copper, corn, what have you—and find that in 10+ years the supply yields are greater than they were before.

    The idea that we're somehow going to run out resources (in the near future) has been proven false time and again. We've yet to reach this critical threshold of resource scarcity that doomsayers have been prognosticating about for decades/centuries.
    In my opinion it isn't as much as a matter of supply levels as it is the quanitity of fucking people. They just take up space. They sprawl out. They infest. They damage, they overuse. Disgusting, gluttonness people. I hate "the masses". I realize the hypocrisy, as I'm human and technically a part of "the masses" BUT, I'm fairly intelligent, I try to help people, I try very hard to not waste anything and keep my carbon use minimally. But my city is becoming bigger and bigger, traffic is an absolute nightmare. it's a college town where everyone from ages 18-28 drink, drive drunk, speed, go out every night, there's concerts somewhere every night, events everywhere...omg, I need out. I hate how pretty this place used to be, now it's polluted and loud and ugly. And honestly the more I see of other walks of life, especially working at a hospital...holy shit, people are rude, inconsiderate, wasteful and it's RARE to see decent, good, not-desperately-looking-screw-you-over people. why can't the horrible people just disappear?..

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    Why not raise ecologically aware offspring?
    By doing nothing we let the 'selfish' raise the next generation.

    Though I have to agree in some degree with Doug Stanhope:
    “I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden

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    someone tell me what i am supposed to do when there is no future at all and we are all going to die; and death is quite imminent? only the faintest hope for forgiveness remains.. but I have tried many times and failed to achieve it. This attempt is only my most public failure. How do I escape this madness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    The idea that we're somehow going to run out resources (in the near future) has been proven false time and again. We've yet to reach this critical threshold of resource scarcity that doomsayers have been prognosticating about for decades/centuries.
    As if there weren't expensive resource wars executed by the most dominant world military power?
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    the world is almost polluted past the point of no return already, i really don't see a hope in some natural balance sweeping in and the population re-leveling. you guys act like death isnt natural, death of the planet; or at least what's on its surface
    Do you think that humans can keep polluting at this rate even when people start dying due to the effects pollution? Even polluters must live in order to pollute more. That's natural balance for you. You (and other bystanders) reap what you (and other) sow.
    Even if a nuclear fallout would cover the whole earth, there would be survivors.
    We are not dying as a race. We're just getting really emotional by massive amounts suffering.

    But then I guess it fits well in to your end-is-near-have-a-christ-theme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie
    but he is such a bad example, it embarrasses me too.
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    I don't even do drugs. I smoked marijuana a few times while I was on here in the past. At this point I'm not worried about the world, I'm thinking about how to fulfill the law of God, and I am not sure if I should post a confession on here or not; or if confessions are made in private, or with God alone, or if my confession may sway people to their confessions; which I do think it may, and nothing else can be lost, and I cannot have shame. I need someone who knows about these things to tell me, and I am still reading the bible to find out. All of you I recommend do the same, not out of fear from what we've said - we're only afraid of our sins which are numerous - but by recognizing the testament of Christ, and that the law of God has not been fulfilled, and we must fulfill it; it will be fulfilled whether it is done in this life or the next.

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    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratPULSE
    I don't even do drugs. I smoked marijuana a few times while I was on here in the past. At this point I'm not worried about the world, I'm thinking about how to fulfill the law of God, and I am not sure if I should post a confession on here or not; or if confessions are made in private, or with God alone, or if my confession may sway people to their confessions; which I do think it may, and nothing else can be lost, and I cannot have shame. I need someone who knows about these things to tell me, and I am still reading the bible to find out. All of you I recommend do the same, not out of fear from what we've said - we're only afraid of our sins which are numerous - but by recognizing the testament of Christ, and that the law of God has not been fulfilled, and we must fulfill it; it will be fulfilled whether it is done in this life or the next.

    it's just that those who exist in ignorance of something which they at least unconsciously grasp the potency of (i.e. reflect their divinity in a capsule), need to feign distant superiority to justify their unwillingness to integrate it; this attitude is -always- bolstered by some pretense of "building a life," when in fact, such idiots who actually believe life is out there, don't exist to begin with, and never will, which is why the majority of you people are set to live out another cycle of third-density incarnations; it has nothing to do with sin or whatever, just the fact that you willingly ignore your divine nature, convince yourself that physical mortality implies finitude, and subserve yourself to the specter of a dark lord reigning over all affairs. the kinder need god, the more hostile, resigned, they like "the man," and seek to fight for their survival, because of course animals have to die hard. so when someone like me who's been there for a minute comes in and relays a fucking shred of information regarding the movement in this sphere, suddenly I'm a crazy druggie, a "bad example." I would tell them to get fucked if they didn't already exist with a cock lodged in their esophagus; ah, and will your cries be muffled, only because the chords entwine around my fingertips. lol reserve tickets now please.
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    I don't think the dying frog situation is amusing. It was more that I was trying to stack on the bad things so as to further compound the overall sadness. The frogs were something that more quickly occurred to me off the top of my head which was why that example was selected, and it really wasn't a great example as what I needed was some impending human caused tragedy that is now just happening. Although I really did kind of mistake the tone of your post originally and was apparently taking accusations of being sad personally because I'm incredibly paranoid and exist in an emotionally immature state. Sorry.

    But about the frogs, although people did not cause this specific disease and it isn't even the lone factor, I think amphibian declines are quite relevant to the rest of the discussion: http://oregonstate.edu/ua/ncs/archiv...imple-solution

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    I'll put my concern hat back on when the bees are dying on a massive scale.
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    "If everybody was gay the world would die out"

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    I know a good place to shove pregnant women downstairs. Anyone interested in population control by VI as a hobby?

    I'd like to remind you that killing unborn makes you even steven with nature if you want to have a baby of your own.
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    Dear tcaudilllg,

    I'm not having kids. How else can I contribute to curving the world's population growth in a more downward way? (I don't consider murdering others an acceptable answer.)

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    Well I'm not saying all processes don't exist, just that some form more lasting connections than others; and that there is an absolute interconnection of life which is of only one form. You can choose a life of limitations; and people choose to be wrong; and there are plastic bags and debris forming a floating mass the size of texas in the ocean, and our planet has decayed because people have taken the kinds of liberties you're talking about. I never said they don't exist, just that they result in death. Straying from the one path is falling into a fixation pattern. There exists perfect harmony of life, everything else is death, the patterns of this life carry on to the next.
    You're right what is outside is inside, and I can connect to the outside without fixating on it.
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    the path is within, not etched into the pages of a canonized tome. seriously.
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    I've read that we are currently living at the time in human history when the most children will be living...about 4 billion? We may take some time to top out in terms of overall population, but at the same time, the population may well be stable in a 100 years.

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    LED lightbulbs, further development of the gathering and harnessing of solar energy, the development of a nanotechnology-based battery whose details I can't fully recall but it's incredibly efficient, physically flexible, visually transparent, and made of carbon; the future's gonna be just fine. I expect the power grid to be obsolete soon, and the world's gonna look a hell of a lot better without all of those dumb electrical poles. If you're worried about food shortages, there's always replacing meat meals with some oatmeal here and there, or any eating further down the food chain for that matter. It takes a minimum of 6 pounds of grain to create 1 pound of chicken, and it takes a minimum of 10 pounds of grain to create 1 pound of beef.
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