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    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    A common urban legend states that, faced with the fact that ball-point pens will not write in zero-gravity, NASA spent a large amount of money to develop a pen that would write in the conditions experienced during spaceflight (the result purportedly being the Fisher Space Pen), while the Soviet Union took the simpler (and cheaper) route of just using pencils.
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    If anything, I guess that could be an example of Ti vs. Te rather than Se vs. Si. The space pen is the optimised result in which all problems regular ballpens would have in zero gravity are eliminated. The pencil, however, is the alternative which is already at hand and instantly available. It has just some downsides which could make the use of it dangerous (graphite particles, splinters, ect.). The pencil is a cheap and easy solution, while the space pen is maybe one of the best solutions there is even though it's development was relatively costly (no matter if the state or a company has paid for it). I have read that article some days ago actually, but I've heard about this urban legend before.
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    Its T, although I don't think it matters whether or not its Ti or Te. Most likely ST vs NT, and depends on what goal they're trying to reach.

    I had one of those pens....received as a gift. Unfortunately, I never got to use it...im destructive sometimes so it somehow broke.

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    I agree with Agee. Specifically, it sounds like Gamma NT (Space Pen) vs. Delta ST (Pencil). The Russians used pencils because they were a cheap and effective way to resolve the immediate problem of writing in space, demonstrating practicality and efficiency on a short-term scale (Si). The Americans saw that using pencils posed a long-term problem, and spent money to acquire a solution, demonstrating practicality and efficiency on a long-term Ni scale.

    Of course, reality would have been much more complicated, with many people of many types involved on both sides, but the way the story is presented, it's Delta ST vs. Gamma NT. The urban legend is a common motif among forwarded e-mail chains like this (forwarded e-mail chains being an almost exclusively Delta phenomenon) -- the clever Delta heroes (in this case, surprisingly, the Russians) find a simple and effective immediate solution, showing the foolishness of the needlessly complicated Gammas who are "out of touch" with common sense and everyday reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    the clever Delta heroes (in this case, surprisingly, the Russians) find a simple and effective immediate solution, showing the foolishness of the needlessly complicated Gammas who are "out of touch" with common sense and everyday reality.
    This is an interesting explanation. That would make it a comparison between the two types of Te.



    Here is a commercial for a german newspaper which uses this story. The text is basically: "Before the first manned flight into space took place, the Nasa developed (which is false, the Nasa didn't work on it) a ballpen which wouldn't leak in zero gravity. The development expenses add up to over 1 million dollars" *switches to pencil* "And this is how the russians solved the problem." *Substance matters*
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    My experience is most people will decide to use a pencil, because it's a pencil-- you write things with it and erase with it. However in the field of advancement, astronauts are always looking for new approaches to problems, whether its a new pen, a voice reader, a stylus, or keyboard, there's always going to be other solutions to writing in space, that any type is capable of researching. So it is most likely astronaut-related.

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    Neither Te nor Ti. Se or Si? probably more Si than Se.
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