Drake - singer, rapper, actor

[JuJu]

Any ideas on this man's type..?

quotes: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/d/drake.html

[Gilly]

Same type as you, whatever that is.

He's an even bigger ****** though.

[Gilly]

Actually I take that back, he's less pretentious than you are. He's still a tool though.

[JuJu]

Added homophobia to your repertoire..?

[Gilly]

No actually I've had some excellent gay friends.

I'm just giving you SHIT Justin. You're crappy at pretending to be a Beta.

[JuJu]

George, you're acting childish. Anyone have a Socionics opinion..?

[Beautiful sky]

ISTp

[Gilly]

Democratic for sure, he sticks out like a sore thumb from Wayne & Co.

[Slacker]

Hmm well I watched a video, but beyond that I know NOTHING about him. Based on the interview, he struck me as being kind of Gamma and rational.

Should insert here that I only saw part of an interview and it was just my impression. But he didn't seem ESE at all to me. I don't know if not knowing anything makes me not see the whole person, or if it allows me to see him without excess chatter to wade through.

[HERO]

SLE

“If I can find a connection with somebody that can understand what goes on in this life — and when I say somebody who understands, I don’t mean a girl that understands that I’m going to be with other girls; I mean just a girl that’s supportive and makes it easy to exist and laugh,” he said. “Laughing is a big thing. Conversation’s got to flow. We got to laugh at the same things.”

"GQ: People talk a lot of shit, anything you wish they'd stop saying?
Drake: That's tough. I wish that we lived in a time and a generation where people would stop viewing my honesty as overly emotional. People always act like I spend my life crying in a dark room. I don't, I'm good. I'm a man. I want to be remembered as an artist that gave you a piece of me, as opposed to some surface bullshit. I don't think people realize that we die, we leave here, and either they forget about you or remember you. And how they remember you is up to you. I just want to be remembered as a poet that was open and honest because I wake up every morning and I'm me."


http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_a...php?name=Drake

[JuJu]

Personally, I'm open-minded as to his type and won't try to make a case for ESE. I'll just say what I see, from basic to more specific. To agape, all I'll say is that I'd use that same quote to show ethics and rationality.

* Ethical > Logical ... This person is fixated on his own feelings -- they're not surface feelings either, or "idealizations" as he put it... They're analyzed to excess and sometimes to annoyance (my own personal opinion,) although I admire that he's willing to put it all out there.

* Democratic > Aristocratic (like George noted above... And, like ScarlettLux noted: his propensity to work with everyone -- I agree, it makes his stuff better -- seems Democratic, given the varied people he's collaboratorated with.)

* Rational > Irrational -- Drake focuses on actions and (usually his own) emotions rather than on states of mind.

The only two types with those characteristics are ESFjs and ISFjs. Supposedly, he's a close friend of Rhianna's (personally, I haven't tried to type her.)

[Beautiful sky]

This person is fixated on his own feelings -- they're not surface feelings either, or "idealizations" as he put it... They're analyzed to excess and sometimes to annoyance (my own personal opinion,) although I admire that he's willing to put it all out there.

All introverts not ethical types are fixated on their own person.

Drake focuses on actions and (usually his own) emotions rather than on states of mind.

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[JuJu]

and wtf his hairline is freakishly straight.

Last week, I got a haircut in Springfield, Massachusetts, and the "barber" cut me a straight hairline... It's beginning to grow out, and it's in an awkward phase already.


@ agape: Thank you for that well-thought out response. I'm wondering, can you sense Se in Se-base individuals? Drake, to me, comes off softer than Se egos do, generally speaking. There's some aggression in his music... With that said, in my opinion, his mind is generally elsewhere -- even more than Common, who raps about violence in a "teaching you a lesson" way.


Could you, agape, or someone else expand on whether they see him as Merry or Serious?

[HERO]

I'm still leaning towards SLE-Ti (Dominant subtype) [ESTp-ESFj]. I could be wrong about both the subtype and the core type of course.

I think the most 'emotional'/sensitive SLE's tend to be the ones that are singers, musicians, song-writers, etc.

http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...ual_behavior_2

'Sexual behavior
Tend to occupy a “wait and see attitude” as they are prone to doubt others feelings towards them. Their emotional expression may appear somewhat forced as they prefer to await the initiative of others; afterwards are tender and attentive with an aim of improving sexual techniques. Internally are sentimental; love uncommon adventures. Not quick to forget past offences. Have need of someone reasonable, flexible and diplomatic. Their partner should be affectionate, attractive, merry and optimistic.'

I still think he has an SLE face. Compare him to Courtney Love, for instance --



And the random SLE's here: http://www.socioniko.net/ru/type-foto/fl-fil.html
[especially the second woman in the central row counting from the right-hand side and the second guy in the first row counting from the left-hand side]

And Nick Nittoli (from 'Platinum Hit'), who I also type SLE:




Anyway, regarding Drake, I listened to a song which I kind of like:



If he's not SLE (since SLE does seem rather unlikely considering the reactions), then I'd say that ESE or EIE-Fe seem plausible. Either way, I don't really know enough about him (or his music...) to make an informed opinion. I definitely agree that he's Fe/Ti (a Merry type). There seems to be quite a variety of opinions on his sociotype. JuJu has a strong argument for Drake being an ESFj.

[JuJu]

Starfall!! long time no see on the internets?

If Rihanna is Beta NF, most likely IEI -- any idea what that would make Drake..? (Aside from one lucky guy?)

[Gilly]

Lol that might indicate SLE superficially if it wasn't utter bullshit

There is no way in HELL Drake is SLE.

[Gilly]

Lmao..."I'm good, I'm a man..."

[Gilly]

The more I watch the more I find myself agreeing with Jadae. He is kind of Ashton-y. Did you see him at the VMAs performing with Wayne and Eminem? His lack of composure and sloppy stage presence were a rather drastic contrast to the two IEIs. Almost definitely not Merry.

Drake seems to me like the epitome of where sucking a dick can take you.

[Gilly]

Juju has a thing for twisting words.

[Gilly]

Well collaboration isn't exclusively Democratic, but if you look at Aristocrats they tend to be a bit more incestuous, ie Dre produces all of Eminems records, whereas Drake his a bit more promiscuous in his dabbling.

[Creepy-male]

I heard somewhere that he likes to get his ass eaten out --- so Fe-IEI is my guess.

[silke]

Si/Ne irrational, leaning towards IEE/SLI

[Radio]

Si-SEI

[Contra]

It's funny. He actually looks like my EII friend and has similar expressions. Not saying he is one, but I definitely dont think he has Se in his ego.

[yeves]

It's funny. He actually looks like my EII friend and has similar expressions. Not saying he is one, but I definitely dont think he has Se in his ego.

i'd agree to this, he seems too present for an EII but Si-valuing in any case

[suedehead]

[suedehead]

[darya]

SLI imo

[suedehead]

Definitely a caregiver, and probably Ethical

[strrrng]

Si-SEI

[wacey]

Actor? Lul.

[Contra]

just realized he looks (and 'VIs') like this ESE guy i know. Not saying that's his type because i've never bothered to check.

[Olimpia]

Seems like just another Gamma SF musician again. Leaning towards SEE-Fi.
(And how he emphasized how he is all about working etc. sounds like he likely has got E3 in his tritype.)

I don't really see any Caregiver Si "vibes" at all.
What is Si valuing about him? Him wanting to make people feel deeply (Fi valuing) and being annoyed to be "put into a box" (not Ti valuing) rules out Alpha Quadra in my book.
So, it is either Gamma or Delta. And I find he seems rather Se ego, opposed to Si. He is forceful to some extent and likes to project that kind of image. Si is not really concerned with such, usually.

But all of this is just based on some short impressions of him. I would have to actually watch more stuff of him and such to confirm any of this.

[darya]

@SisOfNight actually you might be right and he is SEE-Fi. Alpha sf is wrong for him - imo he's Fi valuing.

[Chae]

@SisOfNight actually you might be right and he is SEE-Fi. Alpha sf is wrong for him - imo he's Fi valuing.

Indeed - congruently he associates with Gamma SF celebs as well.

[Jake]

yup ESE

[flames]

SEE-Fi 3

[Chae]

SEE-Fi 3

Yes about TIM! 3... with a 2-wing? Or 2w3 as an alternative?

[Breather]

ILE

[Breather]

SEI 6, 269, sp/sx