IDEAlistsOriginally Posted by Pa3s
Why can't you other types just understand?
IDEAlists
Why can't you other types just understand?
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
„Man can do what he wants but he cannot want what he wants.“
– Arthur Schopenhauer
Yeah it is actually true that people other than FiNe choose their relationships based on their physical form only. Most people prefer individuals that they think are slightly uglier than them; the too ugly ones are be embarrassing and too attractive ones are likely to turn into competitors. It makes me sad how people that aren't EIIs - like me and you - can't see all the beauty there is in the soul of a human being. They never love people for who they are, nor do they care about relationships. Poor little fucks. I wish I could help them become more like me. :/
I'm sorry but you've either misquoted or misunderstood me.Oh and like Korpsy said of the word "distasteful," "repulsive" is also a non-ETHICAL word/reference; instead, both of those words point to aesthetics, which he also said is in combination of F + S.
How in any way, shape or form do you explain your non ethical statements?
Firstly, to declare this good and that bad, to say this object has more value than another, to adjudge any entity as possessing qualities of worth, these are all instantiations of the ethical.
Secondly, Jung regarded aesthetics as a joint product of S and F, the sensual-affective aspect of experience. So you understood my meaning up to that point. However, here is where you're made a second error: given that each type within Model A comprises the full range of 8 possible functions, it can then be demonstrated that each type is capable of SF apperception and computation, each in a characteristic manner determined by speculative say-so operated upon its particular constellization within Model A, glory forever unto the One True Power and its final Prophet, Aushra (pbuhmfa). So for a person to make any manner of aesthetic action or judgment, or to have any sort of aesthetic experience, this is common to all types and exclusive to none, because all types possess their respective S and F functions, valued and otherwise dichotomized.
Your disqualifying tactic against Agarina has failed. She is awarded 50 of your EII points and possession of the ball.
!! I think you just found a solution to the problem of bitter, unattractive males who weep about getting friendzoned. Let's just guide them to EIIs as they won't even notice. Wanna start a business?
Seriously, what is wrong with you? I just said you're not EII. And, OBVIOUSLY I ignore sarcastic twatty statements like yours.
^there's a judgement of what you said.
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Typically she acts, says does SF so give her some more points LOL
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
How do you judge human beings by that? I see how you choose your relations. Nice knowing you.
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
We can hope that when you have "ugly" kids, per your qualifications, that you don't treat them like sub par humans.
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Agarina, read both Fi and Xi from Jung and tell me if you feel you can sincerely relate to it whatsoever. Also, read the meaning of a judging rational type (what seperates a perceiving irrational from a judging rational), and see if you can relate to that meaning.
Ah, the infamous function X with the introverted attitude. Please tell us all about this new magical Xi? Maybe you can refer us to the page in Psychological types where Xi is described in detail.
its just another way of saying "introverted irrational element." there's nothing magical about it.
Im sure youve learned how to navigate a book.
Xi just means introverted dominant, which includes both Ji and Pi dominants. Xi just covers all of the bases for reasons of contrast and holism of the ideas of introversion.
That's fair, Jung doesn't use that symbology though.
Apparently not! Could be Ji also. I'm sure you understand my confusion.
oic. whoops. there's still nothing magical about it.
Correct. Its a term we here have used before, but Jung does cascade his thoughts into that pattern of that structure (Introvert to Ji. Introvert to Pi. And relating Ji/Pi back to introvert, and so on.).
Guide them to Maritsa and Ryan, they're blind, so they won't notice.
Humans still go by eyesight so denying the fact they actually don't is like shooting oneself in the foot. Wonder how Maritsa and Ryan are going to explain Visual Identification, and those numerous threads on here dealing with people's neurotic in the middle faces to which Galen, labcoat and Ashton contributed extensively...
Oh, and I'm 3mm now, give myself a haircut every week.
Watch out, Agarina, Jadae talks theory now, you don't mess with Jung theory. Not unless you're Absurd...
Last edited by Absurd; 01-21-2013 at 06:50 PM.
why should it
it has nothing to do with being a Fi dominant
That means EIIs and ESIs are not Fi dominant. I bet they don't deal in moral categories, attraction/repulsion/attachments and friendships either, for it is indeed just Socionics, and so far there would be one, maybe two Fi dominants on this site that fit the bill - Maritsa (funny, eh?) and some other person the name I forgot...
As for for the (in)famous hair comment in this thread, you really think Maritsa doesn't judge by features people possess and types them her duals, not to mention her identicals?
Just browse this forum - especially "member's pics" thread where she argues how an EII should look like. After you do that, you better come up with a damn good reply or it's clobberin' time.
ask, instead of making an ass out of yourself - how the fuck did you even arrive to that conclusionThat means EIIs and ESIs are not Fi dominant.
never mind
you are missing the most important point, I never said she is EII
so it's just as much an argument against her
Easy as one, two, three. Not my problem you can't follow and just pick the bits you actually choose to answer to. Maritsa says it is so and she is the only bearer of light and Fi dominance on this very forum, not counting some other person she typed EII, don't know, didn't really go out of my skin to check her list but I think I saw something like that in the past and taking into account it took you quite the amount of time to reply, it seems to me you're a pretty careful animal not trying to make mistakes even though you do make them.
I'm going to do it in your language this time. Lo and behold, Absurd has spoken:
1. You side with Maritsa on this particular, I don't know even how to call it, which means:
a) You agree with her and she is correct which again means you're both correct,
2. If you're both correct on this particular, I don't know even how to call it, and you state she is not EII, then:
a) You're both incorrect.
3. If it is an argument against her now, it is an argument against yourself.
Do you agree with yourself that you're LII?
lol, what the fuck is this shit - you are so fucking boringtaking into account it took you quite the amount of time to reply, it seems to me you're a pretty careful animal not trying to make mistakes even though you do make them.
if you didn't run your mouth like an idiot you would have realized already that my comment was semi-serious
this conversation is over
Well, ad hominem attacks are signs of victories of reason over unreason. This conversation is over said Ryan and slammed the door to Socionics and typing people online for he knew the end is nigh and thus he triumphed.
1. You don't think she is EII,
2. You think she is EII.
Bon voyage. Don't slam your hairdo in door.
Have you read it all?
Just post it here sportsman Jadae, I've read it a long time ago. I think ESC was even talking to me about it once in chatbox, that two holders of the same function(?) go on splendidly with themselves but not with their socionics duals when intertype relationships are taken into account.
I have always found beauty in functionality...
Last edited by Absurd; 01-21-2013 at 10:18 PM.
Okies. I'll post it if its online. Im obviously not going to recite it from the texts though lol.
Seems like perfectly complimentary behavior to ignoring another's argument and instead supplementing your own malformed interpretation of what you assume was meant.
By putting them in your signature?!?
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
Illogical, but its definitely an expression of ... f e e l i n g z. Me thinkx some day Agarina and Maritsa will be e-buddies.
Just like you and me? That would be a bold prophecy, but I'm not going to gas myself in metro station so the predictions you make can come true...
When she figures out she's not EII and seeks me out to tell me I'm right.
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
ahem.
You won't befriend someone who you think mistypes themselves as EII which happens to be your self-type? How humanist of you.
“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in — and the West in general — into an unbearable hell and a choking life. - Osama bin Laden
Relationship maintenance is one of the areas that LSE with strong sense of "autonomy" and individuality have a hard time recognizing, it seems.
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