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    I have noticed that ESEs and LSEs claim that only physical work is "real work". From their point of view, computer programmers, translators, professors, writers, etc are a bunch of lazy cheaters who do not deserve to earn a wage. Some ESEs and LSEs have no skills whatsoever and have to deal with hours of drudgery: they label others as "lazy" instead of admitting their own lack of skills. Those with a special talent don't have to punish their own bodies; besides, mental work is exhausting too.
    I have to say that I haven't dismissed The Innefable's idea that I am LIE: what I have described might be an attack on my supposed si polr...or my se role!
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    Don't dismiss him, he knows what he is talking about. You're going to get to be Ashton's dual this way. I think theInfantile still types him ESI.
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    Personally I prefer physical work to mental work...its more refreshing. They can have my flesh; my mind is mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Personally I prefer physical work to mental work...its more refreshing. They can have my flesh; my mind is mine.
    i'd rather mY obligations be phYsical work. it's easier to perform than to have Your head in the right place for something. i consider art to be a combination of phYsical and mental work, which makes it extremelY difficult to have due dates for. of course i'd pick mental or phYsical work over social work. social shit is what i put off the most
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    esfj and estj can be like that lol.

    I'm a writer, I like mental work. I also don't like being nice to people unless they really deserve it. Too many people think they deserve to have their asses kissed socially without earning that right. I prefer being neutral/ignoring most people. Lack of physical willpower and lack of socialization are my weaker points, but I'm extremely smart, wise and psychic. I just sense that most people want me to get into this one sided relationship with them where I lose and they win. It's icky, and so most people I avoid and Blink away from like a Mage, because it's just not worth it.

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    Hard labour and creative mental work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Don't dismiss him, he knows what he is talking about. You're going to get to be Ashton's dual this way. I think theInfantile still types him ESI.
    We are all duals of a lost generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poli View Post
    We are all duals of a lost generation.
    Generation X?

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    Whatever, I usually tell them, if that pays me money it means someone needed it so it can't be "useless". (ofc I've never worked for the government...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    I have noticed that ESEs and LSEs claim that only physical work is "real work". From their point of view, computer programmers, translators, professors, writers, etc are a bunch of lazy cheaters who do not deserve to earn a wage. Some ESEs and LSEs have no skills whatsoever and have to deal with hours of drudgery: they label others as "lazy" instead of admitting their own lack of skills. Those with a special talent don't have to punish their own bodies; besides, mental work is exhausting too.
    I have to say that I haven't dismissed The Innefable's idea that I am LIE: what I have described might be an attack on my supposed si polr...or my se role!
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    There's no denying that any kind of 'work', physical or mental, will tire you out. However, I have asked my friends before, and they do agree that physical work tires you out much more quickly than mental work. Despite this, I have always pursued careers with mental work more, because they tire me out less, and generally earn more $$$. I think anyone who says "bunch of lazy cheaters who do not deserve to earn a wage" is an idiot, doesn't respect others' talents, and shouldn't be listened to.

    Interesting you found a correlation with this stereotype to ESXjs, because I find many immature people of all types, who put down others, and try to inflate their own self-worth. It's generally called making excuses, instead of working harder. We're all born with different talents/abilities, and if we apply ourselves, we can all accomplish great things.

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    I learned in physics what counts as work. No matter how hard you have to think, it's not work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    I have noticed that ESEs and LSEs claim that only physical work is "real work". From their point of view, computer programmers, translators, professors, writers, etc are a bunch of lazy cheaters who do not deserve to earn a wage. Some ESEs and LSEs have no skills whatsoever and have to deal with hours of drudgery: they label others as "lazy" instead of admitting their own lack of skills. Those with a special talent don't have to punish their own bodies; besides, mental work is exhausting too.
    I have to say that I haven't dismissed The Innefable's idea that I am LIE: what I have described might be an attack on my supposed si polr...or my se role!
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    IDK; my LSE bf is a writer; he gets up at 5 am every gosh darn morning and 7 when he takes one day out of the week "off." He writes, which takes up a lot of mental energy and he never calls me lazy -better not! Actually, he has no excuse because he sees me working as much as he does, except I cook and buy groceries, which take up a lot of my energy. I think you have Te wrong here. Both being Si types, can actually sense the loss and drain of energy in other individuals and are actually quite forgiving of their lack of action; bot are quite accepting. Maybe this is only because they can see that physically, me being as small as I am, that naturally I couldn't hold the kind of energy like they do even if I tried. My boyfriend does often say to me, when I complain of lack of energy, "well, honey, what do you expect? you weigh as much as a bird while I can likely survive a week without eating."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew View Post
    There's no denying that any kind of 'work', physical or mental, will tire you out. However, I have asked my friends before, and they do agree that physical work tires you out much more quickly than mental work. Despite this, I have always pursued careers with mental work more, because they tire me out less, and generally earn more $$$. I think anyone who says "bunch of lazy cheaters who do not deserve to earn a wage" is an idiot, doesn't respect others' talents, and shouldn't be listened to.

    Interesting you found a correlation with this stereotype to ESXjs, because I find many immature people of all types, who put down others, and try to inflate their own self-worth. It's generally called making excuses, instead of working harder. We're all born with different talents/abilities, and if we apply ourselves, we can all accomplish great things.
    I'd agree with that. I'll tell someone they are being lazy if I see that they are actually being lazy and doing nothing. I don't think I've ever seen a person as lazy for doing any sort of work. Quite the contrary in my case, I know a person who does web design and art for a career and think they work about 10x more than I do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    That's just Ni PoLRs being… Ni PoLR. Intangible gains in quality, creativity, and efficiency are hard to justify to them as opposed to raw 'productivity' output.
    Makes sense to me.

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